SB is here. When will Bulldozer be released?

[LongTimePCUser]

This year I expect to rebuild my PC. It is long over due.
SB sounds very interesting.
Should I wait for the Bulldozer release? When do you think it is coming?

Will it be cheaper and faster for the $?
Will the integrated gpu be good enough for modern gaming?


I won't go with Sandy Bridge on day one. I expect to wait at least a month for the dust to settle on the best value motherboard and SB cpu and for the best practices overclock expectations.

 

[Castiel]

I still think SB is going to slap around BD. The only thing surrounding BD is hype.

 

[zokudu]

BD is expected to release sometime in Q2. I do not believe Bulldozer has an integrated GPU you are thinking Llano which includes a Stars CPU not a Bulldozer. As far as performance no one knows.

 

[magomago]

I still think SB is going to slap around BD. The only thing surrounding BD is hype.

ya right, from where? So much of BD's performance is shrouded in secrecy. We know very little about it.

If you want hype, go look at SB.

No doubt BD hype will build up as launch nears and more info/slanders/rumors/lies/statistics are released

 

[Castiel]

ya right, from where? So much of BD's performance is shrouded in secrecy. We know very little about it.

If you want hype, go look at SB.

No doubt BD hype will build up as launch nears and more info/slanders/rumors/lies/statistics are released

I think the benchmarks backed all the hype surrounding SB. It now is the performance king. It would be nice to get a few leaked benchmarks of BD before it actually came out like there were for SB.

 

[Seero]

ya right, from where? So much of BD's performance is shrouded in secrecy. We know very little about it.

If you want hype, go look at SB.

No doubt BD hype will build up as launch nears and more info/slanders/rumors/lies/statistics are released

Question, if BD's performance is shrouded in secrecy and we know very little about it, then doesn't it mean all positive rumors are nothing but hypes and all negative rumors are FUDs?

 

[magomago]

Question, if BD's performance is shrouded in secrecy and we know very little about it, then doesn't it mean all positive rumors are nothing but hypes and all negative rumors are FUDs?

I guess it depends on what FUD is. To me, FUD has to have number of some sort attached to it...something, anything!
Maybe I'm just out of the loop (mainly come to this specific forums for CPU news, don't read it elsewhere, not even DailyTech), but where are the (probably fake) numbers attached to BD?

All I hear is either

(a) BD will be meh because phenom 2 was meh on raw performance (no numbers to prove anything)
(b) BD is great because modules will pwn you (no numbers to prove anything either....not even fake numbers or BS such as % increase in IPC)

All we have, unless i'm wrong:
BD Taped Out
IPC will be higher than PII (JFAMD)
Server is DDR31600 (JFAMD)
AM3+ required

Translation: we know basically zero about BD performance

IMO BD seems to have a hype problem in the sense that people are expecting it to be underwhelming. Then again, that is the vibe I get reading only these forums.

 

[magomago]

I think the benchmarks backed all the hype surrounding SB. It now is the performance king. It would be nice to get a few leaked benchmarks of BD before it actually came out like there were for SB.

Lol dude the hype was saying 20% I remember people speculating 25% based on the numbers.


Icore was the shit. Now SB is the shit. But was it on the scale 20-25%? Nah, its like 10%. Still pretty damned impressive IMO, but the hype made it seem like the second coming.

 

[edplayer]

Lol dude the hype was saying 20% I remember people speculating 25% based on the numbers.


Icore was the shit. Now SB is the shit. But was it on the scale 20-25%? Nah, its like 10%. Still pretty damned impressive IMO, but the hype made it seem like the second coming.

That is what happens when you listen to a bunch of kids on the forums. 99%!

The only good info on Sandy Bridge for MONTHS came from Anand's preview which concluded with him guessing about a 10% increase.

 

[Bearach]

Lol dude the hype was saying 20% I remember people speculating 25% based on the numbers.


Icore was the shit. Now SB is the shit. But was it on the scale 20-25%? Nah, its like 10%. Still pretty damned impressive IMO, but the hype made it seem like the second coming.

Yeah, I agree. Sandy was hyped above what it is. Still a nice chip and all but people's speculations were often above the performance it actually is.

 

[jacktesterson]

I doubt bd beats SB personally.

 

[Edrick]

I doubt bd beats SB personally.

Even if it does, LGA2011 is Q4 '11 and then IB is Q1 '12.

 

[JFAMD]

IMO BD seems to have a hype problem in the sense that people are expecting it to be underwhelming. Then again, that is the vibe I get reading only these forums.

I have been going out of my way NOT to hype the product. The reality is that until you have shipping production silicon in your hand, any benchmark data is just speculation.

I would think as enthusiasts this crowd would appreciate people not coming in from the vendors to hype their product as the best thing since sliced bread.

And I continue to be amazed at the folks (on both sides) that want to see the other guy fail. Can't we all just agree that if you want the best products at the lowest prices in the market, you need good strong compeition?

 

[edplayer]

JFAMD

we have recently seen claims of a Q2 bulldozer release. Any truth in that?

 

[busydude]

A few leaked slides posted in a swedish forum.. cannot vouch for legitimacy though.

http://www.amdforum.se/f24/llano-cpu-prestanda-3615/#post28660

 

[JFAMD]

JFAMD

we have recently seen claims of a Q2 bulldozer release. Any truth in that?

Where have you guys been? AMD itself said Q2 for client and Q3 for server back in November. That is old news.

 

[Elixer]

And I continue to be amazed at the folks (on both sides) that want to see the other guy fail. Can't we all just agree that if you want the best products at the lowest prices in the market, you need good strong compeition?

Yep, without strong competition, we would all still be using pentium 3/4s.

Where have you guys been? AMD itself said Q2 for client and Q3 for server back in November. That is old news.

Just wish that the AM3+ boards would be shipping now, then those that want the BD, can upgrade the CPU in Q2. Seems like a win-win for board makers, but I guess there are still issues to fix.

 

[JFAMD]

I wouldn't call it issues to fix, I will file it under "stuff just takes time to do." I don't know much about what is going on there, but if you are a board guy, your target is probably to get it done before bulldozer launches. Since most customers will probably wait and upgrade the CPU and board together, building up inventory early has a more limited market and you might be sitting on inventory. I am sure that there are some that would want the new board now, but most probably will wait to have both together.

 

[ilkhan]

When do you think it is coming?

Whenever AMD can stop crying long enough to release something.

 

[classy]

AMD according to this is going to revive the FX label for its highest performing chips. If thats true, no doubt they won't slow.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...mance_of_AMD_s_Bulldozer_Microprocessors.html

 

[Castiel]

A few leaked slides posted in a swedish forum.. cannot vouch for legitimacy though.

http://www.amdforum.se/f24/llano-cpu-prestanda-3615/#post28660

So ES samples are out there and no leaked benchmarks? Weak

 

[Nemesis 1]

That is what happens when you listen to a bunch of kids on the forums. 99%!

The only good info on Sandy Bridge for MONTHS came from Anand's preview which concluded with him guessing about a 10% increase.

Pure BS . Anand said between 10 and 30% . Your going to have to prove the 10% increase is real . Because every app needs to be run not selected ones. Than AVX is a factor that is discounted, Your not including the IGP improvements your flat out picking numbers to fit your world . The consumer who will use these and companies that use these are going to see a much larger improvement than what your willing to admitt to . You have no defense here because the SB chip tested has IGP ondie. Like it or not its part of the INTEL improvement . Your GPU standards don't change the facts at all. The consumer that uses SB and its IGP just got a huge performance boost . Bigger than C2D, If ya view the market as a whole. Intels 1st qt results will be stunning. Get over yourselves.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Where have you guys been? AMD itself said Q2 for client and Q3 for server back in November. That is old news.

Now wait a minute. We had a topic here were you argued AMD said The year2011 is this not true? Was there a follow up topic I missed?

I sure hope AMd is earlier but if there late 2011 than this smells bad. I sure hope AMD doesn't rush the release and goof up again. Damage is already done . Do it right AMD do it right.

 

[Hard Ball]

So far, almost everything said here has been pure speculation or hearsay. Why don' we hold off for about 10 weeks, then we will have much more substance to discuss available in the public domain.

 

[nyker96]

even if you are getting SB, waiting for BD might at least bring the price down if nothing else. but in the event that BD is great, now your patience can net you a better chip.