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Say what you will about OCZ and SF

nanaki333

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But their RMA department appears to be top notch. After sending in a V1 120GB for the second time in 2 months, my ticket shows a status that they shipped me a V3 120GB as a replacement. If that's true, I shall take this drive and give it a sporting chance as well. At least they don't take a month to RMA products like most manufacturers. I think the longest I've waited is 2 months.

Time will tell if I buy another drive again though. I'm going to put this drive in my work computer I think where it can take the most abuse. That should change my perspective once and for all!
 
I've had no problems with their StealthXstream PSUs, RAM (DDR2 and DDR3), and Vertex 2 120GB SSDs. Just lucky I guess 🙂
 
i've never had ocz PSUs die on me. i've had some ddr2 die, but not much. i'm just really unlucky with their drives. this v1 has given me more problems than any SF based ocz drive though surprisingly.
 
They might as well give people 2 drives for the price of one so when the 1st goes bad you already have another.
 
In the end?.. each and every OCZ drive will live(or die/lock) on the merits of that particular system that it's installed on. Not what others believe it to be.
 
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In the end?.. each and every OCZ drive will live(or die/lock) on the merits of that particular system that it's installed on. Not what others believe it to be.

So SF and/or OCZ has a higher percentage of idiot customers than other brands?

Is that what you're implying? Because that sounds pretty far fetched.
 
no sandforce is buggy. SF-12xx has open bugs never fixed - panics - freakouts
SF-2xxx has some bugs and were recalled? are they fixed? look at the SF-12xx bugs that have never been fixed.

to me sandforce is junk. they don't care about fixing their old products to function to the same level as intel - they just don't care.
 
no sandforce is buggy. SF-12xx has open bugs never fixed - panics - freakouts
SF-2xxx has some bugs and were recalled? are they fixed? look at the SF-12xx bugs that have never been fixed.

to me sandforce is junk. they don't care about fixing their old products to function to the same level as intel - they just don't care.

I haven't heard of any SandForce 2*** controllers being recalled. Are you sure on that one?
 
The controller wasn't recalled, he might be referring to the flaw with the reference PCB design SandForce sent to its partners. Corsair and other partners that used the reference design had to replace SSDs that used the flawed PCB. Interestingly, OCZ wasn't affected by this since they use a custom PCB instead of the reference design.
 
The controller wasn't recalled, he might be referring to the flaw with the reference PCB design SandForce sent to its partners.
Technically, this is not correct either. You are correct that the controllers have not been recalled. However, the issue we dealt with occurred at the manufacturing level and was a component omission, not a flaw in the design. I can't speak for any other manufacturers.
 
So the reference PCB design was OK, Corsair or their manufacturer just forgot to put a component on the PCB? My bad, I wasn't aware that was the issue.
 
So SF and/or OCZ has a higher percentage of idiot customers than other brands?

Is that what you're implying? Because that sounds pretty far fetched.

lol.. no.. not at all like that.

More like this. I have 6 drives that are flawless no matter what I do or how I configure on all 3 sata chips on this system. But what happens when I install them on a Dell laptop? They panic lock and need to be RMA'd.

So.. if I have a Dell and try to use Sandforce 1xxx series?.. they're junk.

Same drives on my Gigabyte X58-UD5?.. never tested better so far.

Is purely pespective for most who don't have the understanding of the underlying issues at play with these controllers. Should they get along with other bios implementations as many other controllers will?.. well of course. But that's neither here nor there as it is.. what it is.

And as much as many around here don't like OCZ?.. they have surely helped other mfgrs to eliminate some of the very same bugs due to the sheer volume of units purchased/sold. Sandforce is surely going to hep the ones who spend the most money/and provide the most feedback first. Especially when their forums are full of people who are actively trying to troubleshoot their way to stable systems.

IMHO.. Sandforce has made it through the hottest part of the fire and narrowly missed a class action as a result of their forced beta-testing. All the mfgrs using them in production were/are just hanging on those million dollar coattails. ANYONE running these companies would have done the same and any who say otherwise or rest on their laurals/ethics have never had that much money sitting in front of them to really know the lure it must have. Like politics.. it's easy to sit back and judge. But not so much when you're forced to play the game or get voted out. Unfortunately, that's nasty side of capitalism and human nature.

@nanaki.. might want to consider updating to the latest 2.11 firmware since it's being proven to speed things up and shows fewer issues for those using it so far.
 
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this drive is like cursed. so i was happier than a pig in shit that they sent me a v3 replacement for my v1. there was a shipping error and fedex delivered it to another building. after over a week on the phone with fedex, they finally talked to their driver and he delivered it to the wrong building. they told me what building it was, and it was like 3 blocks away from mine. walked over, picked it up, and voila! vertex 3! here goes nothin! 🙂
 
It's not cursed. It wants to live! That's why it lingered out in the wild for a bit longer waiting for newer firmware. lol

Flash to the latest 2.11 firmware before config/install and use all the trial and error crap you learned form the first go-around with the other one. Good luck
 
If you are going to purchase a sandforce drive, OCZ is the way to go in my opinion. They have the best consumer support and seem to work more closely with Sandforce than any other manufacture.
 
well i was installing all my applications and such on it and just got my first bsod with the brand new rma'd drive. it's got the latest 2.11 firmware on it. haven't even been using it for an hour yet. *sigh*
 
2 more bsod. took the drive out and put my m4 back in. i'll try it in another machine, but as of right now, it's looking like it may turn in to a paper weight.

this is on an x58 mobo and a fresh install. oh well.
 
Thats odd. I updated my Vertex 3 two weeks ago and it showed two current versions of the firmware. One for those who were having BSOD issues and one for those who are not. I wonder what 2.11 has in it.

EDIT: Reading OCZ's forums it looks like 2.11 fixes alot of issues, but some people are having issues with 2.11
 
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@nanaki.. you should pop over there and review all the latest workarounds. Be sure to reset CMOS and run WEI to sync the ACPI tabling correctly as well. Can help more over there when your patience permits.

@Brian.. those "some people" are generally the one's who refuse to secure erase/fresh install(which is needed as worst case).. or they do not have the correct OROM's and/or drivers. The HECI driver has been proven to cause issue as well and can be uninstalled or removed with some newer sata drivers. 2.11 is just a firmware side workaround for some of the issues. Many more issues at play here than most know.

Course.. it would be nice of Sandforce got along as easily even with the very same issues present while using other controllers.. but.. that's Sandforce from day one.
 
i think i may know the problem... i don't think it was the drive at all, but my cpu. i forgot i set an OC about the same time but never tested it. i put my m4 back in before i left and it also had a bsod. DOH! i'll give it another go tomorrow 🙂
 
My Vertex 2 is working without flaw, so I'm just going to leave it be. 😛 I was a bit hesitant to go to OCZ again after I had to use a non-AHCI machine to update my Agility 120GB SSD. It was a bummer when all my machines were setup as AHCI and I actually had to pull an unused motherboard out just to update it. Of course, then I realized that it is somewhat easy to switch back and forth between IDE and AHCI in Windows. 😛
 
the Linux update is easy to do and provides the option of flashing the main boot drive.

I still prefer to reboot/run the drive as secondary and use toolbox from another OS drive. Much more flexible and easy to change the boot order if an issue arises or maintenance is necessary.
 
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