Say what you want about Obama, but his team runs a brilliant campaign

[OneOfTheseDays]

I was wondering at what point the Obama campaign would kick into gear for this upcoming election. It seems like they were simply biding their time and waiting for the perfect opening salvo.

They could have went full throttle with Bain attacks the day Romney was effectively declared candidate for the GOP, but they waited patiently. Waited for the media to do the dirty work for them, and once the wound was opened they are pouncing on it like a hungry lion. The ads they are releasing now are simply brilliant, Obama is defining Romney right now for the American public. This is how you win political elections. Obama's team is simply top notch, no Republican out there could have beaten him this year.

Bain will destroy Romney. Make no mistake. This moment right now will be defined as the turning point in the election. Unless Romney can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's clean, he's DONE. He will have to release tax returns dating back decades to remove public perception that he's a slimy grease-ball businessman.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Maybe, but all the "Chicago machine politics" mudslinging didn't stick to Obama, so Bain might not gain much traction with the general public who don't really follow politics.

My guess at what will sink Romney is his overall record of contradicting himself on the record, from week to week and speech to speech.

You can rightfully slam Obama for failing to keep many of his campaign promises, but not for the continual and pervasive flip-flopping the Romney has done even before being elected.

But add that together with Bain and his offshored investments and undisclosed income and he does have many reasons the Obama camp can raise to question his character.

 

[K1052]

In the end I think his biggest problem is his total inability to empathize with the vast majority of the electorate or even be able to fake doing so. Every opportunity that he's had to relate to regular people has been sorely lacking.

The near total lack of charisma has made it impossible to undo the damage of the Republican primaries or mask the numerous policy shifts that characterize his campaign. The debates are going to be disastrous for him.

 

[Matt1970]

That is just wishful thinking. ERven is Bain was the smoking gun you thin it is people tend to be a hell of a lot more forgiving when they set their mind to a candidate.

 

[Infohawk]

We don't know all the details yet, but I don't think Bain in itself will destroy Romney. It's the general idea that people have apparently been losing faith in free trade and capitalism according to polls with the recent downturn. If that's the case voters are going to shift to the left. I don't think it's a slam dunk yet though. Incumbent presidents are generally held responsible for the economy by the electorate.

 

[techs]

Money, money, money. Romney has it and the Democrats don't.
Have you met the average American? They voted for Bush. TWICE.

 

[Anarchist420]

Have you met the average American? They voted for Bush. TWICE.

The average american voter voted for Bush 43 only once.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Bush faked being an aw-shucks common fella Texan pretty well for an "elitist" from Kennebunkport, Maine with a Harvard MBA. Romney is much more like Kerry except with even less charisma.

I forgot to mention the Mormon issue above, but that's balanced against Obama being a Sekrit Mooslim I suppose.

 

[Anarchist420]

We don't know all the details yet, but I don't think Bain in itself will destroy Romney. It's the general idea that people have apparently been losing faith in free trade and capitalism according to polls with the recent downturn. If that's the case voters are going to shift to the left. I don't think it's a slam dunk yet though. Incumbent presidents are generally held responsible for the economy by the electorate.

Romney is a protectionist also. He can't commit to ending sugar protectionism and he has complained about China's govt trying to "manipulate" its currency just like our govt manipulates ours.

He also supports trade agreements with certain countries, which means he doesn't support lifting all American govt-imposed barriers to trade.

I can't believe so many people who have never even experienced free trade before keep on advocating more protectionism.

 

[Balt]

Romney can make many fair (or unfair) criticisms of Obama's record the last four years, but the fact is that he (Romney) isn't willing to stand up for anything that most Americans will like. He had Romneycare as a governor in Massachusetts and he had a record of outsourcing American jobs while at Bain. Even if it was the best thing for the companies in question, it will not go over well in the swing states that lost jobs b/c of that outsourcing. His inability to identify with the working class does not help him. You should not mention your multiple houses or Cadillacs in the rust belt.

Obama pointing out these things is not a bad strategy, though I'm not sure it will be enough to win him a second term.

 

[MovingTarget]

Its refreshing to see Democrats finally back at the adult's table when it comes to campaigning. It seems that they have finally learned the lessons of 2004. The right-wing machine still powers much of the dialogue/context of the election, but they can no longer run over Democrats without opposition like they used to.

The reason that the GOP is going to lose in November isn't because the Democrats have gotten better at campaigning, but because they nominated Romney in the first place. A lot of conservatives just can't get excited about him even if they can never bring themselves to vote for a Democrat.

 

[Jhhnn]

I was wondering at what point the Obama campaign would kick into gear for this upcoming election. It seems like they were simply biding their time and waiting for the perfect opening salvo.

They could have went full throttle with Bain attacks the day Romney was effectively declared candidate for the GOP, but they waited patiently. Waited for the media to do the dirty work for them, and once the wound was opened they are pouncing on it like a hungry lion. The ads they are releasing now are simply brilliant, Obama is defining Romney right now for the American public. This is how you win political elections. Obama's team is simply top notch, no Republican out there could have beaten him this year.

Bain will destroy Romney. Make no mistake. This moment right now will be defined as the turning point in the election. Unless Romney can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's clean, he's DONE. He will have to release tax returns dating back decades to remove public perception that he's a slimy grease-ball businessman.

They're just getting the range & the feedback from the forward observers- they haven't even fired for effect.

Romney can't release his returns, because doing so would merely reveal him to be what the Obama campaign contends...

I don't think this will turn out the same way as Obama releasing his long form birth cert, at all.

 

[MovingTarget]

Here's a new one: http://youtu.be/Ud3mMj0AZZk

 

[a777pilot]

Thankfully there are no bodies in obama's closet.

 

[ShawnD1]

Money, money, money. Romney has it and the Democrats don't.
Have you met the average American? They voted for Bush. TWICE.

To be fair, they voted for bush the second time because the democrat running against him was very retarded. He needs to put a helmet on before putting his other helmet on.

 

[Lemon law]

I think this thread is mistitled. On one hand, we can certainly say team Obama ran a brilliant campaign in 2008. Sadly, it did not translate into a team Obama running a brilliant 4 year presidency. As Obama had no courage of his political conviction and showed all the backbone of a chocolate eclair.

What a weird thread contention, is that all of what the American people want, a brilliant campaign full of rosy promises, followed by 4 years of certain disappointment.

But Republirats, make no mistake here, I will really have to nose and vote for Obama come 11/2012. Because when I look at the alternatives in Mitt Romney and various fibertarians, oh God yeech yuck, as I ask how deep dig they have to dig to find those turds.

I still remember that old Arpage perfume as , promise her anything but give her Arpage. Now that ad is obsolete, promise us anything but give us stinky turds. Turds are the desired smell of the American public.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

What the right-wing mouth-breathers are incapable of understanding is two key points:

1. Stuff like Bill Ayers is old news. You guys have been harping about it for five years, and you've already reached everyone who gives a damn. Romney's documented dishonesty is not old news.

2. Barack Obama is not running for president on the basis of his relationship with Bill Ayers. Mitt Romney is running for president on the basis of his record at Bain Capital.

 

[MovingTarget]

Thankfully there are no bodies in obama's closet.

2008 Republican Campaign Mode
Abort/Retry/Fail?

After 3+ years of the Obama presidency, do you really want to pull the "Obama is weak on/pals around with terrorists" schtick? Thats pretty desperate.

Obama most certainly has skeletons in his closet. I've just yet to see the GOP pick up on any legitimate ones. As of right now, the Obama campaign seems to be batting 1000 against the GOP on this Romney/Bain thing.

 

[Balt]

The Bill Ayers 'palling around with terrorists' angle worked brilliantly in 2008. Good luck with it in 2012, especially after Obama ordered the face-to-face killing of the world's leading terrorist in Osama bin Laden.

 

[a777pilot]

Obama and Romney are both running on the very same issue: The economy.


I only posted the Ayers thing to have some fun. I have been laughing at the liberal's replies. So, I win again.

 

[Balt]

I only posted the Ayers thing to have some fun. I have been laughing at the liberal's replies. So, I win again.

So you 'win' by us pointing out how pointless and stupid the issue you brought up was. Okay. :hmm:

Edit: And before you give the standard reply of how you took joy in how you 'got us all riled up', I would like to point out that I wasn't angry after seeing your post. What I felt for you was more like pity.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I only posted the Ayers thing to have some fun. I have been laughing at the liberal's replies. So, I win again.

You sound like a kindergartener trying to claim that he really meant to spill the grape juice all over his shirt. Impressive.

 

[nageov3t]

yes, it takes a truly brilliant campaign strategist to wait until the Republican primaries are over before attacking the Republican nominee.

 

[nine9s]

I was wondering at what point the Obama campaign would kick into gear for this upcoming election. It seems like they were simply biding their time and waiting for the perfect opening salvo.

They could have went full throttle with Bain attacks the day Romney was effectively declared candidate for the GOP, but they waited patiently. Waited for the media to do the dirty work for them, and once the wound was opened they are pouncing on it like a hungry lion. The ads they are releasing now are simply brilliant, Obama is defining Romney right now for the American public. This is how you win political elections. Obama's team is simply top notch, no Republican out there could have beaten him this year.

Bain will destroy Romney. Make no mistake. This moment right now will be defined as the turning point in the election. Unless Romney can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's clean, he's DONE. He will have to release tax returns dating back decades to remove public perception that he's a slimy grease-ball businessman.

If it works for President Obama, I think the best way to put it will be: The Republicans got out republicaned.

 

[Icepick]

yes, it takes a truly brilliant campaign strategist to wait until the Republican primaries are over before attacking the Republican nominee.

This. The real fireworks won't start until after the primaries are over.