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About a Politician you support. Don't be a pussy and deflect to the other party.
I'll start.

Ms. Warren you need a voice coach I could not imagine listening to a long speech by you. You also need better follow up skills you talk about good subjects like why employers need credit checks but there isn't much follow up.

Mr. Sanders you use the same format to justify your healthcare expenses by saying many of the extra costs will be covered by job growth and efficiencies. I've heard those words too many times to accept them without some independent person verifying them. You also don't speak often about how you would gain agreement for some big proposals.
 

glenn1

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About a Politician you support. Don't be a pussy and deflect to the other party.
I'll start.

Ms. Warren you need a voice coach I could not imagine listening to a long speech by you. You also need better follow up skills you talk about good subjects like why employers need credit checks but there isn't much follow up.

Mr. Sanders you use the same format to justify your healthcare expenses by saying many of the extra costs will be covered by job growth and efficiencies. I've heard those words too many times to accept them without some independent person verifying them. You also don't speak often about how you would gain agreement for some big proposals.

I don't support any politician 100%. For example, Warren has some good and some not so good ideas. For her I'd say while it's admirable she supports "the little guy" she should care just as much about everyone else and not screw over the rest of us to help said little guy, economic policy isn't a zero-sum game like she seems to think.

I'll throw out one - not really the ideal Libertarian standard bearer but Rand Paul's positions on anti-discrimination laws are stupid - voting against the Employment Non-Discrimination Act was a needless and callous appeasement of base GOP voters who dislike "t3h gheys." Likewise giving any legitimacy to the anti-vaxxer movement makes him look like a fvckign quack and tinfoil hatter.
 
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I don't support any politician 100%. For example, Warren has some good and some not so good ideas. For her I'd say while it's admirable she supports "the little guy" she should care just as much about everyone else and not screw over the rest of us to help said little guy, economic policy isn't a zero-sum game like she seems to think.

I'll throw out one - not really the ideal Libertarian standard bearer but Rand Paul's positions on anti-discrimination laws are stupid - voting against the Employment Non-Discrimination Act was a needless and callous appeasement of base GOP voters who dislike "t3h gheys." Likewise giving any legitimacy to the anti-vaxxer movement makes him look like a fvckign quack and tinfoil hatter.

For a second I thought you violated no partisan stuff but its in the same party.
Good work Glenn
 

trenchfoot

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I don't like it how Hillary Clinton is such a chameleon. I realize how logical it is for her to be one, but to do it so effortlessly bothers me to no end.
 

Blackjack200

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Not sure who I'm voting for on the D side, so I'll do Clinton and Sanders:

Hillary Clinton - Insincere, never takes principled stand. Too close to Wall Street. Voted for the Iraq war. Against TPP. Against Cadillac tax for ACA. Politically entrenched to the point that I don't know how connected she is to the rest of the country anymore. Has not commited to raising taxes on upper income earners. Too hawkish.

Bernie Sanders - Too caustic in his rhetoric. Too populist. Opposes the TPP.
 

shira

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When I read between the lines of a lot of the things Trump says, I think he would be a much better President than the crazy shit he literally says would suggest.

Edit: Sorry, I said something good about a politician I don't particularly like, rather than vice versa.

I don't really like any of the "liberal" candidates. I just think they'll do less damage.
 
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When I read between the lines of a lot of the things Trump says, I think he would be a much better President than the crazy shit he literally says would suggest.

Edit: Sorry, I said something good about a politician I don't particularly like, rather than vice versa.

I don't really like any of the "liberal" candidates. I just think they'll do less damage.

You're forgiven. Try again with someone you like with no deflection to the other party.
 

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A person friend for 50 years, when he became Majority leader of the Senate he became the tail wagged by special interests of the big supporters like trail lawyers, the inept DNC and a president with whom doesn't agree in many respects. The democratic party Senate tail is must follow the party line to the exclusion of personal values. stay.

The good thing I can say about Harry Reid is he will retire as Minority leader, not give up as the House Speaker did.
 
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Indus

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[vent]I voted for you George W. Bush and what the fuck man? You almost got me killed, not to mention plenty of my friends and co-workers. Condi writes a report and puts it on your desk and you were busy bbq'ing in Crawford over reading that report on your desk?

And you use this as an excuse to finish your fathers obsession and go after Iraq? Dude Pakistan is the root of terrorism, so shouldn't you go after that in the so called "war on terror?" Perhaps it should be the "War on Oil Fuckers" or "War on Arabs" but it certainly wasn't the "War on Terrorism"? And you still fucking allowed Terrorists to come inside the USA on your fucking watch.. like the Boston Bombers and the Time Square Bomber and you had a terrorist working as an informant feeding intel to Pakistan and you did nothing till a foreign intelligence agency tells us, "you have a terrorist you should investigate?"

And you just pushed for higher and higher oil prices, let the economy collapse. I used to get 7% from fixed annuity accounts and now it's more like 2%, thanks you to, you fucking jackass. Not only that but you made me lose my job and I had to go work overseas for 5 years in 2008 thanks to jobs being very hard to find.

And I see through the farce that is conservatism now.. Trickle down economics my ass.. Unless you make over $400,000 the Republican tax plan is a massive quagmire for you and the estate tax only favors those over 6.5 million.

Seriously WTF man. Worst president I ever voted for. When you die, I'll have a motherfucking party with strippers for the entire neighborhood just like Brits did when Thatcher died.

Not in a million years would I vote for you or your brother or anything similar again.[/vent]
 

BoberFett

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Ron Paul has some crazy ass ideas.

While I like many of ideas, some of them are off-the-wall nuts. I supported his presidential run because his ideas of conservatism (really libertarianism, because conservativism is a joke at this point) need to be a part of the debate. But I honestly don't think he'd be a good president.
 
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Stephen Harper has just about lost me as a lifelong Conservative with his recent rhetoric against the freedoms for Muslim women to wear what they choose.
 
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Stephen Harper has just about lost me as a lifelong Conservative with his recent rhetoric against the freedoms for Muslim women to wear what they choose.

**edit** Oops I misread what you typed. I though you pussied out. I apologize.
 
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Okay: I don't really like Hillary. Not at all. She obviously doesn't stand for anything.

Come on you can do it, don't be afraid. Lets hear something you don't like about someone you do like. I know you're smart enough not to divert.
 

werepossum

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Interesting game. The only running politician I really like is John Kasich, so:

It's okay to admire women who choose not to treat cancer to protect unborn babies or to have unwanted babies in lieu of abortions, but it is not okay to vote to make that the law.

It's not okay to vote to ban gay adoption. I agree that all things equal, a mother and a father are the optimum, but all things are never equal and objectively a particular gay couple may be an orphaned child's best option.

It's not okay to support an Amendment banning same sex marriage; no government can be considered limited if it holds an arbitrary veto over two competent consenting adults marrying. (Somewhat void considering that Kasich has said he accepts SCOTUS' decision, but still an important point about the legitimate role and power of government IMO.)
 

Indus

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Hillary Clinton stop running and give the baton to Kirsten Gillibrand.
 

TheGardener

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Donald Trump's website hasn't displayed a lot detail on his campaign positions. He just recently added his 2nd and 3rd position statements.
 

shira

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Come on you can do it, don't be afraid. Lets hear something you don't like about someone you do like. I know you're smart enough not to divert.
Your instruction said to say something you don't like about a politician you support (you didn't say "a politician you LIKE"). Well, I support Hillary.
 

Guurn

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I'm a true independent but there doesn't seem to be much of a choice so far this year.

Bernie Sanders - Holding gun manufacturers liable for gun deaths is a dumb position.