ArmchairAthlete
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I'm hoping the jobs being lost aren't the ones people from my school would do...
I won't succeed at doing something I don't like. If it comes to toughing it out in my dad's basement until I can find a job, so be it.
I won't succeed at doing something I don't like. If it comes to toughing it out in my dad's basement until I can find a job, so be it.
GTaudiophile
Lifer
- Oct 24, 2000
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Jeebus! But when it comes to as many things as possible, I want the gov't to take a hands off approach! Europe is proof that such artificial protections don't work in the end! Their economy is collapsing because of way too many social burdens.
If you're job is being outsourced: sorry, but it's time to change careers!
If you're job is being outsourced: sorry, but it's time to change careers!
Says a bush supporter. How did i know that even before i read your sig. Hmm maybe because that was the stupidest thing i ever heard.
GTaudiophile
Lifer
- Oct 24, 2000
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WTF! Please get your eyes off of the computer screen and go take an Econ 101 course. Remember the concept of Opportunity Cost???
AgaBoogaBoo
Lifer
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They will work hard, why? Because they have seen a much worse life where their life wasn't so easy, all of them are just waiting for a chance to make someone out of themselves. WHen they are given that chance, they will work their a$$ off and do the best possible
Oh, and parents have a huge influence. There, they see their parents working hard all the time so they feel that parents are working so hard just for them, that is the reason too.
AgaBoogaBoo
Lifer
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IHateMyJob2004
Lifer
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IHateMyJob2004
Lifer
- Sep 29, 2004
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Without industry, the US will be a 3rd world nation in no time. We need to start producing goods again!!!!!!!!
I've noticed an immense decline in software patches lately although I don't know if it's attributable to outsourcing or not.
BF1942's latest patch messed up mine and many other's joystick support (can't fly a plane without one)
Far Cry's latest patch was pulled offline because of numerous complaints but not before most online servers switched to that latest patch which now leaves half the servers unusable. Not to mention they lost most of their development team recently (they left for greener pastures is the word on the grapevine)
Then ya got the Duke Nukem Fornever fiasco and such, well probalby has nothing to do with outsourcing but I'm just saying the industry looks to be hurting for real talent or management or something.
IHateMyJob2004
Lifer
- Sep 29, 2004
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Computer science degrees that give REAL sfotware engineering jobs are disappearing. nothing but IT. I'm stuck on web pages and teh way things are going, that's lal there will be. A country can not be built on managing data and selling cr@p at Wal-Mart. We nee to produce! That's why the middle class needs more jobs.
StageLeft
No Lifer
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Oh and the H1B issue is dead. They already lowered the numbers massively. IIRC before they did that, and after the dotcom burst, the H1B numbers had already plummeted, because employers realized they could get plenty of people locally and didn't need to bring them in. Plus, TECHNICALLY, an h1B employee needs to make a similar wage as a local, so the employer has no need to get them unless the foreigner really is good. In practice it's not quite as clearcut, but you get my point.
The only people who get their jobs outsourced are the ones with no real unique skills. Try outsourcing the job of someone who does something like cryptography or optimization.
Screw that...if they weren't worth it a company wouldn't take the time or the effort to sponsor their visa. They're getting these visas on merit.
People are so sensitive about their jobs...
Man, economies change.
What policy would you have the government introduce? A ban on all code written outside of the US? How would that be enforced? What happens when that new robotics sofware written in India increases autoplant productivity by 50%, in every country but the US? Well, let's just say that I have family in the auto sector up here in Canada who would love that.
Man, this is coming from a left-wing Canadian, who is further left than most leftie Americans, and I say that outsourcing does more good than harm. How many jobs have been lost to outsourcing in the last decade? What percentage is that of the total workforce? What you should be asking from your government is programs that ease the hurt, like subsidies for retraining, and medical coverage during your transition. Maybe some kind of relief from your student loans.
Cutting out trade is good for no-one.
Protecting your own economy from transition, while using your relative power in the world to open foreign markets, is hypocritical.
What policy would you have the government introduce? A ban on all code written outside of the US? How would that be enforced? What happens when that new robotics sofware written in India increases autoplant productivity by 50%, in every country but the US? Well, let's just say that I have family in the auto sector up here in Canada who would love that.
Man, this is coming from a left-wing Canadian, who is further left than most leftie Americans, and I say that outsourcing does more good than harm. How many jobs have been lost to outsourcing in the last decade? What percentage is that of the total workforce? What you should be asking from your government is programs that ease the hurt, like subsidies for retraining, and medical coverage during your transition. Maybe some kind of relief from your student loans.
Cutting out trade is good for no-one.
Protecting your own economy from transition, while using your relative power in the world to open foreign markets, is hypocritical.
StageLeft
No Lifer
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It sounds to me like you feel you deserve a high paying coushy job and don't need to work for it. You'll note that those of us in IT right now are not losing sleep over outsourcing. It sucks, sure, but we realize that if we're worth a damn we'll probably not be begging for food soon. I've been more confident about IT in the past year than I was in the previous two.
It just looks more and more like no matter what you can do the company can always hire 4 indians to do the same thing cheaper.
Exactly. If you have a skill and are good at what you do they can't outsource you. People who are good get job offers all the time.
IMO one world economy in the long term promotes peace. I am truly sorry though for those who are on losing side of this 
I dont know but i know plenty of people who it happened to. Its only going to get worse as indian/chinese/whatever programmers get better and better.
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