Say good bye E-Cigs

[Bateluer]

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/hampshire/health-board-holds-e-cigarette-hearing

Don't know a whole lot about E-Cigs myself, but a friend has used them to quit smoking, for what that's worth. I found the bolded statement very comical. That vapor doesn't disappear. It may be harmless and disperse in the air, but it doesn't disappear.

NORTHAMPTON, Mass (WWLP) - The Northampton Board of Health held a hearing on a proposal to add so-called "e-cigarettes" to their No Smoking in Public Places regulations.

But most of the people who chose to speak out on the matter maintain that electronic cigarettes help people quit smoking, and that there are no health issues or second-hand smoke impact.

"It makes a visible vapor that you can see, but it disappears," explains Spike Babaian, the President of the National Vapers Club. "It doesn't linger like smoke. It doesn't float like smoke. It doesn't make smoke when you're not using it. It doesn't make smoke ever. It makes vapor. It makes steam."

Valerie Schwaber, an EMT from Lexington said "My asthma has completely cleared up since I stopped smoking, and started using this."

"I smoked a pack and a half a day for many years," said John Paradiso of Northampton, "and after starting to use personal vaporizers, I literally just stopped smoking. And it's been 14 or 15 months since I had a cigarette."

The Northampton Board of Health did not make any decisions about adding e-cigarettes to their Tobacco Regulations.

This hearing was only for public input.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Yet another big industry (tobacco this time) trying to destroy technology that improves people's lives.

 

[StageLeft]

Yet another big industry (tobacco this time) trying to destroy technology that improves people's lives.

Probably. I guarantee there are tobacco lobbyists behind this.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

I think it's pure BS that anyone is even considering banning E-cigs, even if only in public places.

I found the bolded statement very comical. That vapor doesn't disappear.

Wait, what?

"It makes a visible vapor that you can see, but it disappears,"

 

[PeshakJang]

. I found the bolded statement very comical. That vapor doesn't disappear. It may be harmless and disperse in the air, but it doesn't disappear.

What do you call it when something becomes invisible and is no longer there?

 

[flexy]

Whether the vapor disappears and is truly "harmless" nor bothers any non-smoker is not relevant. Many non-smokers do in fact NOT argue "logical" but only emotional because they are "annoyed" - and many are annoyed simply seeing someone smoking or vaping.

There are countless accounts where vaping did indeed significantly boost the health of former "smokers", sometimes as soon as they stopped real smoking for some months.

I used to vape too...but my problem was that the "hardware" is simply not very dependable. I had to buy parts and liquids directly from china.....and the vaporizers all start to get "weak" in some time...you dont get as much vapor anymore as if when they are new...and then it feels "non satisfactory" and you feel like you are only sucking air and the urge for a real cigarette kicks in.

The hardware is also often of rather low quality, vaporizers burning out, stuff like that...problems with batteries..and so forth....can be very frustrating at times.

 

[Moonbeam]

Whether the vapor disappears and is truly "harmless" nor bothers any non-smoker is not relevant. Many non-smokers do in fact NOT argue "logical" but only emotional because they are "annoyed" - and many are annoyed simply seeing someone smoking or vaping.

There are countless accounts where vaping did indeed significantly boost the health of former "smokers", sometimes as soon as they stopped real smoking for some months.

I used to vape too...but my problem was that the "hardware" is simply not very dependable. I had to buy parts and liquids directly from china.....and the vaporizers all start to get "weak" in some time...you dont get as much vapor anymore as if when they are new...and then it feels "non satisfactory" and you feel like you are only sucking air and the urge for a real cigarette kicks in.

The hardware is also often of rather low quality, vaporizers burning out, stuff like that...problems with batteries..and so forth....can be very frustrating at times.

Isn't opportunity knocking?

 

[BoberFett]

flexy, why would anyone invest in making a better product? People could see the ban coming from a mile away.

 

[Moonbeam]

flexy, why would anyone invest in making a better product? People could see the ban coming from a mile away.

Where's the ban on the growing tobacco?

 

[BoberFett]

Where's the ban on the growing tobacco?

Why would they ban that? Politicians make a lot of money from it.

 

[hal2kilo]

Isn't opportunity knocking?

It already has. I bet you half the sales are from people vaping other stuff.

 

[Moonbeam]

It already has. I bet you half the sales are from people vaping other stuff.

I meant for somebody to build a quality machine. I don't myself have any idea what we are talking about. I don't smoke and the only vapors I breath are the ones that come from food on the stove and the good old San Francisco fog.

 

[flexy]

I think the chinese were simply FASTER.

For big tobacco it is more convenient to just ban all e-cigs and imports from china, getting rid "of the problem".

It is still BEYOND me why i can go to ANY grocery store and buy TOBACCO...but if i want new liquids or a new "atomizer" i need to order from the Netherlands or China directly in some "semi-legal" way.

Where is the logic here?

I really, really enjoy(ed) vaping...there are some nice flavors, preliminary research says its WAY "healthier" than smoking...i just dont want to have 80% of the atomizers burn out on me all the time..or simply getting bad after a week or so. They are not THAT cheap either.

 

[BoberFett]

Where is the logic here?

 

[IGBT]

it's dope!!

 

[Schadenfroh]

E-Cigs have always been unnatural, chemical laced, synthetic garbage. Green agriculture people will tell you that only natural, organically grown weed from small-scale local farmers is far closer to what nature intended.

 

[sandorski]

Was seriously considering using these just over a year ago, but Sales of them were suspended by Health Canada before I did. They noted lack of quality control in both the Vapourizers and the Nicotine medium(for lack of a better term and because I don't recall proper name ).

I hope the issues can be worked out as the Health benefits are very clear. Between Self Righteous Anti-Smoking Idiots and the Tobacco Industry I don't have much hope about it though.

 

[CanOWorms]

These were banned in Canada due to the threat they posed to the Queen's coffers. Hopefully any similar actions will have a rational reason instead of serving an inbred.

 

[gingermeggs]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus

Seems big tobacco doesn't like this swedish product!

 

[bamacre]

It already has. I bet you half the sales are from people vaping other stuff.

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Have you ever seen one of these?

And what it they were? They haven't banned bongs.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

A town of less than 30000k holding a meeting on holding e-cigs to the same standards that standard cigarettes are forced to = The Big Tobacco Monopoly?

EDIT: And granted, that there is a lack of second-hand side effects reduces some of their advantage over traditional cigarettes, but this is still a far cry from typical government-corporate collusion. This is probably more a case of nervous-nancy busybodies trying to micromanage people because it makes them feel like good human beings.

 

[sandorski]

A town of less than 30000k holding a meeting on holding e-cigs to the same standards that standard cigarettes are forced to = The Big Tobacco Monopoly?

EDIT: And granted, that there is a lack of second-hand side effects reduces some of their advantage over traditional cigarettes, but this is still a far cry from typical government-corporate collusion.

Good point.

E-Cigs use a Alcohol base with pure Nicotine mixed in. The only probable(perhaps vaporization causes some compounds to form, I haven't heard of any though) Second Hand "Smoke" would contain Nicotine and none of the other crap that's in combusted Tobacco.

 

[Patranus]

Yet another example of why government shouldn't have this type of control over our lives.

 

[FaaR]

Last I heard anything about these things it was a report that these supposedly 'healthier' e-cigs did in fact contain a cocktail of not particulary healthy chemicals, and for that reason I believe they're now banned in the EU, or on the way to be banned.

The reason for banning them was not as some of you potheads seem to think, collusion with big tobacco to protect profits, but rather because they were being marketed as being 'healthy', while in reality weren't.

Also, just because these e-thingys vaporize some fluid doesn't mean whatever shit the vapor contains disappears just because you can't see it anymore. Nothing just disappears. It's still there in the air, and somebody's going to breathe it in if they share that same air volume.

Personally I wouldn't mind if it became legal to apply baseball bats to any part of a person smoking (or "vaping") in your general vicinity. Perhaps then, nicotine addicts would finally understand that just because they are stuck in an addiction does not mean they have any right to force their vice on the rest of society.

 

[woolfe9999]

Good point.

E-Cigs use a Alcohol base with pure Nicotine mixed in. The only probable(perhaps vaporization causes some compounds to form, I haven't heard of any though) Second Hand "Smoke" would contain Nicotine and none of the other crap that's in combusted Tobacco.

The liquid is not alcohol based. Otherwise, what you're saying is correct.

- wolf