Saw this question on r/atheism today.

[88keys]

Good question....

 

[nehalem256]

I think this would be better put as:

"Does disagreeing with me cause people to be irrational or are irrational people more likely to disagree with me.

 

[88keys]

That would be just as valid only if applied to me.

 

[88keys]

I think this would be better put as:

"Does disagreeing with me cause people to be irrational or are irrational people more likely to disagree with me.

But seriously, it would be better put as. Does belief without evidence cause people to be irrational or are irrational people more likely to believe something without evidence.

 

[feralkid]

This thread has a great future.

 

[88keys]

Just an interesting question and I would like to see the answers people come up with.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

But seriously, it would be better put as. Does belief without evidence cause people to be irrational or are irrational people more likely to believe something without evidence.

They are unrelated. Let me illustrate. "Does belief without evidence cause people to be milk drinkers or are milk drinkers more likely to believe something without evidence."

 

[Tom]

Good question....

So can atheism.

 

[Jaskalas]

Was President Clinton rational, or Bush, or Obama?

Practically all our leaders claim to be religious.

 

[88keys]

They are unrelated. Let me illustrate. "Does belief without evidence cause people to be milk drinkers or are milk drinkers more likely to believe something without evidence."

How are they unrelated, and how does that illustrate their non relation?

There is no correlation between milk drinkers and irrationality, but there is obviously one between irrationality and religion.

People are usually raised with the religious belief that they hold, but in an age where the all of the information that exists to disprove religion is accessible at your fingertips makes one wonder why such a large majority of people still believe it.

So does religion cause people to be irrational and fly into buildings and bomb abortion clinics etc etc. Or is there something inherent about religion that attracts the most irrational among us. Perhaps the human race is by and large irrational.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

How are they unrelated, and how does that illustrate their non relation?

There is no correlation between milk drinkers and irrationality, but there is obviously one between irrationality and religion.

People are usually raised with the religious belief that they hold, but in an age where the all of the information that exists to disprove religion is accessible at your fingertips makes one wonder why such a large majority of people still believe it.

So does religion cause people to be irrational and fly into buildings and bomb abortion clinics etc etc. Or is there something inherent about religion that attracts the most irrational among us. Perhaps the human race is by and large irrational.

Ah, I see you're simply ignorant. Your belief that there is correlation must make it so. Please enlighten us what information "disproves" religion and how large portions of the world have missed it. By your definition, most of the world's people are irrational. Be afraid! We're coming for you.

 

[ShawnD1]

So can atheism.

So true. I'm an atheist, and I'll say right now that a lot of atheists are idiots. Why are you an atheist? Someone said there is no god so that's why they are atheists. wtf? How is that different? Someone says something and you automatically believe them? What if they said there is a god and god is a transexual? Would they believe that too without asking questions?

 

[schneiderguy]

I had to stop calling myself an atheist because of the retards on r/atheism.

Please go back there.

 

[DominionSeraph]

They are unrelated. Let me illustrate. "Does belief without evidence cause people to be milk drinkers or are milk drinkers more likely to believe something without evidence."

You're conflating unrelated terms with related ones.

In philosophy, rationality is the characteristic of any action, belief, or desire, that makes their choice a necessity.[1] It is a normative concept of reasoning in the sense that rational people should derive conclusions in a consistent way given the information at disposal.

The problem with normatives is that valuation is subjective.

Please enlighten us what information "disproves" religion and how large portions of the world have missed it.

The law of noncontradiction.

 

[dawheat]

Only morons find these types of made-up correlations interesting.

I recall reading that religious folk tend to give more to charity than non-religious. Therefore: Does atheism cause people to be uncharitable, or are uncharitable people more likely to be atheist?

That Norwegian mass murderer was a self proclaimed atheist wasn't he? Does atheism cause people to be mass murders, or are mass murders more likely to be atheist.

Obviously all the above is in jest, but seriously, it's always the morons I've met (whether people who couldn't read their way out of a paper bag in high school or scrounge up more than a 1200 on their SATs, or people in college who couldn't come up with critical thought they didn't first read, or incompetent people in the work force who are less useful than the shit I took in the morning) - that run across shit like this and think it's profound.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Only morons find these types of made-up correlations interesting.

Thank you for being an example of irrationality.

 

[Moonbeam]

Good question....

It may be a good question from some points of view, but from a scientific point of view it maybe isn't. How would you propose to test it, take twins that are divided at birth and stuff religion down one's throat and rationality down the other's, or maybe do studies of twins with infinite variables involved.

I see that folk raised by Christians tend to be Christians, and the same with a million other religions which tells me that either they are all nuts or no matter where folk go they invent new religions. So either there is some God that people instinctively invent out of some intuition, or God may be a genetic requirement for the human race, or these may be the same thing and atheists are simply genetically defective. We know too from savants that the mind can do things beyond comprehension, that a god may live in out heads and occasionally leak out into the awareness of a few is some limited way.

Maybe God created the universe so that brains would evolve capable of tuning to deeper and deeper octaves of awareness so He would have somebody to talk to. Maybe that's why whales sing.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I really don'ty care what others believe my responsiability ends at self. There is alor here I don't agree with because the auther never looked into what the hebrew meanings to words meant . He took Day = 1,000 years . A trap I also fell into. Aeon is 1 billion years not a thousand years . I also disagree with were The beginning of the decline of an intelligent america decayed., He tied it to 1963. He needs to find out everything relavant to the year 1961. I don't expect anyone to watch all the videos but this first one is the Best by far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAAQwJXLRWk

 

[Jimzz]

Only morons find these types of made-up correlations interesting.

I recall reading that religious folk tend to give more to charity than non-religious. Therefore: Does atheism cause people to be uncharitable, or are uncharitable people more likely to be atheist?

That Norwegian mass murderer was a self proclaimed atheist wasn't he? Does atheism cause people to be mass murders, or are mass murders more likely to be atheist.

Obviously all the above is in jest, but seriously, it's always the morons I've met (whether people who couldn't read their way out of a paper bag in high school or scrounge up more than a 1200 on their SATs, or people in college who couldn't come up with critical thought they didn't first read, or incompetent people in the work force who are less useful than the shit I took in the morning) - that run across shit like this and think it's profound.

Then you remember reading only 1 BS "study" that gave credit for giving to a church as "charity". Remove the church giving and religious gave the same or less than non-religious.

Norwegian mass murderer, Anders Behring Breivik, followed Christianity (Church of Norway).
"Breivik claimed that he is a Christian in various forums, but most explicitly and in greatest detail in the 1,500-page manifesto he compiled over several months and posted on the Internet."

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Small minds. Go figure. The tiny brain of an ape believing he knows all. I wonder what God thinks of this?

How irrational.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Mostly the latter, but it's a self-reinforcing loop, especially for the more closed-in religions.

 

[DominionSeraph]

I wonder what God thinks of this?

Whatever you create him to.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Mostly the latter, but it's a self-reinforcing loop, especially for the more closed-in religions.

I know many rational religious people, many are scientists. Evolution no problem etc. It happens.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Whatever you create him to.

Perhaps and perhaps not.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Small minds. Go figure. The tiny brain of an ape believing he knows all. I wonder what God thinks of this?

How irrational.

When it comes to GOD the creator of the beginning I believe in this GOD 100% I know nothing about this God . The Hebrew god I reject 100%. Rape slavery many other things are allowed in the Torah. It does not matter if these so called god created man or not to dig Gold . They have a home planet . The Bible calls this planet the destroyer other cultures also call it the destroyer. The fact that they created us doesn't matter. The fact remains that it was the true GODs plan. I recently learned that in short periods of time wonders can be performed. I have been taking C9-T11 now for about 6 weeks . I went from 132 lbs to 167 in that period of time My piks and arms are massive compared to what they were 6 weeks ago . The most important thing is I feel better . Struggling but better. all want is to see mans reward for beinmg good stewards over the earth and its creatures. I am sure we shall receive our just reward.