Saw bowling for Columbine Last Night...it is a MUST SEE

[hoiky]

I'll admit he had me going until the "demonizing" of african american males.

 

[Thegonagle]

You know what? I liked Bowling for Columbine. That "Truth about Bowling for Columbine" page that picks it all apart is factually correct, and yet, it does nothing for me. It didn't teach me anything, or show me anything that's not completely obvious after one or two viewings. That welfare mom was no angel? No duh! We all remember the national media coverage on the story. She put her son up in a crack house! Heston's clips are tiny bites from different speeches? No sh!t, Sherlock! Like Moore is the first person to edit quotes like that? I don't think so! That stupid page goes on and on like that! It's easy to pick apart any documentary, if you try, no matter what point the director is trying to get across. I still like Bowling for Columbine.

 

[jemcam]

If you and your two friends move to Canada, it will make more room for all the foreigners waiting in line to get into America.

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: Garfang
You know what? I liked Bowling for Columbine. That "Truth about Bowling for Columbine" page that picks it all apart is factually correct, and yet, it does nothing for me. It didn't teach me anything, or show me anything that's not completely obvious after one or two viewings. That welfare mom was no angel? No duh! We all remember the national media coverage on the story. She put her son up in a crack house! Heston's clips are tiny bites from different speeches? No sh!t, Sherlock! Like Moore is the first person to edit quotes like that? I don't think so! That stupid page goes on and on like that! It's easy to pick apart any documentary, if you try, no matter what point the director is trying to get across. I still like Bowling for Columbine.

I think you missed the point. The point is that documentaries are factual; Bowling for Columbine was not. Read through a few threads about this topic, and you'll see tcsenter elaborate on this point time and time again.

Moore is an entertainer; he should not have won the award for best documentary, because his movie was not, in simple terms, a documentary. It failed, on the most basic levels, to meet the criteria in place for a documentary: "Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional matter, as in a book or film."

WIthout a factual base, Moore's Bowling for Columbine is little more than an entertaining story.

Rob

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: Garfang
You know what? I liked Bowling for Columbine. That "Truth about Bowling for Columbine" page that picks it all apart is factually correct, and yet, it does nothing for me. It didn't teach me anything, or show me anything that's not completely obvious after one or two viewings. That welfare mom was no angel? No duh! We all remember the national media coverage on the story. She put her son up in a crack house! Heston's clips are tiny bites from different speeches? No sh!t, Sherlock! Like Moore is the first person to edit quotes like that? I don't think so! That stupid page goes on and on like that! It's easy to pick apart any documentary, if you try, no matter what point the director is trying to get across. I still like Bowling for Columbine.

I liked it too..... but there are tons of points that could sway someone that isn't very smart, to be an ANTI-GUNS person. It's 90% propaganda for gun rights. He blames the NRA for gun deaths in America? WTF! It could be because I am a gun collector, but guns don't kill people.

 

[Nitemare]

Will not watch it for the simple reason that I don't want a penny of mine going to that communist porker, Michael Moore

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Will not watch it for the simple reason that I don't want a penny of mine going to that communist porker, Michael Moore

Then download it.

It might make you laugh, it might make you think about the gun violence situation differently for a moment. If it makes you do both, cheers! :wine:

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Will not watch it for the simple reason that I don't want a penny of mine going to that communist porker, Michael Moore

ooh communist porker...i think you missed the period buddy, the catch word of today is 'terrorist'

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: PG

Originally posted by: tcsenter

To keep it short and simple, I feel the film did make a very impactful yet well-rounded point: that our country has a history of fear and that many feed off of that fear for monetary gain.

The first thing that came out of me and 2 friends' mouths after it finished was "we want to move to Canada"

Facts, logic, and reason be damned...

Exactly, and everyone needs to read this:

http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel040403.asp

n the field of mockumentary filmmaking, there are two giants. Rob Reiner created the genre with his film This is Spinal Tap. Michael Moore has taken the genre to an entirely different level, with Bowling for Columbine.

Here's my favorite part:

Even while denouncing Americans for being so afraid of violent crime, Bowling for Columbine works hard to make them still more afraid.

The audience accepts Moore's cinematic fear-mongering ? while congratulating itself for being too sophisticated to fall for media fear-mongering. So even as Bowling offers its audience the superficial social satisfaction of being less media-malleable than the rubes who are presented as typical Americans, the audience nevertheless falls for sensationalistic media exploitation. The L.A. Weekly noted the "tabloid" nature of Moore's film, and the film's tawdry use of cheap emotion and cheap shots could indeed serve as a model for an aspiring tabloid television producer.

Accordingly, the smug audience of Bowling is degraded not merely to the level of ordinary gullible Americans who buy into the fear-mongering on the evening news, but still further ? to the trash-news level of people who are easily manipulated by tabloid media.

Thus, Bowling turns the audience's very pleasure in watching the movie into a deconstruction of the audience's blue-state social pretensions. The Bowling audience is every bit as ignorant and fearful as the audience for Inside Edition.

lol!

Of course, this begs the question, just who is truly the more 'gullible' and 'stupid'? One critic of Michael Bellesile's "Arming of America" wrote that scholars who were completely duped by Bellesiles shouldn't be so hard on themselves, because "Arming of America" goes to great lengths to appear credible and truthful. The book was a fraud, but it was an extremely good fraud that fooled even the best of them.

BFC defenders pat themselves on the back in a 'Superiority Orgy', believing themselves more sophisticated than the 'dumb masses' who buy the mass media's propaganda, fancying themselves as being truly 'informed' while everyone else is too dumb to know the difference.

If Tom Brokaw's NBC News is propaganda, its extremely good propaganda, and at least oozes with the appearance of being credible and serious. Moore, however, doesn't even bother with any of that. Bowling for Columbine is a production of the intellectual sophistication you might expect from Jerry Springer or Heraldo Rivera, replete with opportunistic ploys, reckless editing, and overtly cheap sensationalism.

In the world of art, this would be the difference between Joe Blow being fooled by a masterful reproduction of the Mona Lisa which would fool even the most eminently qualified museum curator, or Joe Blow being fooled by a five year-old's kindergarten fingerpaint doodlings, believing it to be the authentic Mona Lisa.

One Joe Blow was totally reasonable in his belief that he was looking at the true Mona Lisa, the other is a bona fide retard. Hmm, now who's the more sophisticated...

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Will not watch it for the simple reason that I don't want a penny of mine going to that communist porker, Michael Moore

ooh communist porker...i think you missed the period buddy, the catch word of today is 'terrorist'

I call it like I see it, until his spittle when he spouts out his anti-American rhetoric is classified as a lethal weapon he will be a commie porker.

Originally posted by: Garfang


Then download it.

It might make you laugh, it might make you think about the gun violence situation differently for a moment. If it makes you do both, cheers! :wine:

Banning guns will prohibit law abiding citizens from obtaining them yet let criminals obtain them illegally and through alternative methods...no thanks