Saving for retirement? Request help related to investment opportunities.

dud

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Requesting a sanity check here. I am within 10 years of retiring and am trying to ensure that I am not underestimating my opportunities. I am currently using the following to prep for retirement:

1) A 401k plan. I can contribute a max (per year) of $17,500 plus an extra "catchup" of $5K for those 50 or older.

2) A Roth IRA. I can contribute (I believe) $6,500 per year.



Are there any other tools (tax free/deferred) that I can use to prep for retirement?

Thanks ...
 
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KB

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Those are the only tax-advantaged retirement vehicles that you are eligible for. (There is a 403b, but you need to be public sector employee, and it is used as an alternative to a 401K. There is also the Traditional IRA but your contributions to it take away from your contributions to the Roth).
 

Spungo

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Someone refresh my memory. Do the unused contribution amounts carry over from year to year?
Year 1: $6,500 is the limit, $0 contributed
Year 2: $13,000 is the new limit

?
 

olds

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Tagged.
I am going between paying off my only debt, a car or putting another $500 a month into deffered comp.
 

KB

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Someone refresh my memory. Do the unused contribution amounts carry over from year to year?
Year 1: $6,500 is the limit, $0 contributed
Year 2: $13,000 is the new limit

?

Nope. They made it that way because the amount you can put in is dependent of your income that year. That would be awesome though.
 

JEDI

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Requesting a sanity check here. I am within 10 years of retiring and am trying to ensure that I am not underestimating my opportunities. I am currently using the following to prep for retirement:

1) A 401k plan. I can contribute a max (per year) of $17,500 plus an extra "catchup" of $5K for those 50 or older.

2) A Roth IRA. I can contribute (I believe) $6,500 per year.



Are there any other tools (tax free/deferred) that I can use to prep for retirement?

Thanks ...

it doesnt matter

with 10yr left to go, whatever you contribute will be insignificant compared to your overall nest egg. stock market gains (most of it should be from bonds) in this short time period with these new addition $ would just mean will u be driving a acura instead of a honda.

and if it's not insignificant to your overall nest egg, then youre not rewady to retire.
unless u assume your not living to age 85.
 

dud

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Those are the only tax-advantaged retirement vehicles that you are eligible for. (There is a 403b, but you need to be public sector employee, and it is used as an alternative to a 401K. There is also the Traditional IRA but your contributions to it take away from your contributions to the Roth).



Thats what I thought ...thank you.
 

dud

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Nope. They made it that way because the amount you can put in is dependent of your income that year. That would be awesome though.



The only exception to this general rule is the allowable catch-up allocations after age 50.
 
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roth grows tax free. its not going to grow too much in 10 yrs (at least compared 20 or 30). depending on your current income and expected income in retirement you may want to do traditional IRA instead.

get your tax savings immediately, invest the delta for extra gains, then once your job income dries up, you can take taxable distributions at a lower rate.

roth is really great for being invested for a long time with huge gains, or people that will have a higher tax rate in retirement than while employed.
 
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Imp

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Using the rule of 70, you could potentially double your investments with an interest rate of 7%, so that's still a reasonable timeframe.

I'm nowhere near retirement and I don't believe in tax deferment investment vehicles, so good luck.
 

Sonikku

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Retirement is for chumps. Work til' you drop and tell those young fancy pants college degree millennials that they can suck it flipping burgers.
 

dullard

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There are other tax free methods. You covered the standard ones, but left off the liittle-known better methods.

1) You can do a health savings account. To qualify though your employer needs to offer one. This let's you stock away $4250 for you, an additional $4250 for your spouse, or $7450 for your family if you don't have a spouse with income.

2) If you donate to charity, buy regular stocks and donate those stocks instead of cash/checks.

Both methods are in addition to your normal tax-free or tax defferred methods. Both are very powerful if done correctly. Heck you can earn money and have the government pay you with method #2.

Also, I know little about this and if it is available anymore, but there were over funded life insurance policies in he past. Many were scams so be careful. Also see if that loophole was closed as I don't keep up on it.
 
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Blackjack200

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Also, I know little about this and if it is available anymore, but there were over funded life insurance policies in he past. Many were scams so be careful. Also see if that loophole was closed as I don't keep up on it.

Whole Life Insurance can be used as a tax shelter, but because the policies are inefficient and expensive, they only make sense for those in very high tax brackets or that really need the insurance.

<-- Used to be a life insurance agent.
 
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Requesting a sanity check here. I am within 10 years of retiring and am trying to ensure that I am not underestimating my opportunities. I am currently using the following to prep for retirement:

1) A 401k plan. I can contribute a max (per year) of $17,500 plus an extra "catchup" of $5K for those 50 or older.

2) A Roth IRA. I can contribute (I believe) $6,500 per year.



Are there any other tools (tax free/deferred) that I can use to prep for retirement?

Thanks ...

Catch-Up contributions are actually $5,500 max.
 

mshan

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Tax deferred investing is nice, but if your time horizon is only 10 years (actually probably a decade or two longer than that because you won't draw down all investments on day one of retirement), the benefits of sheltering some investments from yearly taxes on capital gains and dividends might not be quite as important as just picking "better" and perhaps more tax efficient investments (proven, lower portfolio investment strategy where individual investments don't turnover rapidly so capital gains distributions end up being long-term in nature and taxed at lower rate). But you also have to be careful about swinging for fences with investment that is very volatile because if it unexpectedly (temporarily) plunges right when you need to sell that investment, you are forced to lock in a loss. Which is typically why strategic asset allocation starts to include more bonds and cash as you approach retirement, and perhaps steer more towards blue chips, or growth and income, or dividend paying type investments, rather than wild speculative small cap which could make you rich or put you in poor house. Absolute return isn't as great, but wild swings up and down in price are dampened, and hopefully some investments zig when others zag, so total portfolio value doesn't fluctuate wildly up and down and you are forced to sell during unexpected downdraft.

I believe there are calculators where you can get a better idea of how much ball park wise you need to have in investments to retire as comfortably as you want, and then can adjust your "risk" up at least to level required to achieve that goal.

Capital gains and tax rates for most are 15%, not ordinary income rates, and mutual funds only pay out some capital gains and dividends each year.

Harsh answer for some is 1) save more, and 2) work longer (don't have to dip into nest egg so quickly and hopefully can continue to contribute to investments).

You should also google for deferring taking social security (e. g. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324715704578482982090853070.html) i think you can get a bit more if you put off taking distributions for a while.

As you approach retirement, volatility of portfolio becomes important, because sudden, prolonged and sustained downdraft, could force you to sell low because you need those funds to live on. Bonds probably aren't going to do well in rising interest rate environment, but something like quality intermediate term bond fund (Vanguard Index Total Bond Market) is supposed to zig when stock market zags (normally), dampening overall fluctuations in portfolio value, even though stocks >> bonds > cash historically.

Something like quality dividend growth mutual fund (e. g. VDIGX) is something to research instead of reaching wildly for "safe" yield in defensives that are getting smashed in stock market right now.

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brianmanahan

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Nope. They made it that way because the amount you can put in is dependent of your income that year. That would be awesome though.

canada's system allows that, it indeed would be awesome. i missed like 3 years before i got my head out of my butt and started using my 401k and ira
 

brianmanahan

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You can also buy I-Bonds, which are tax deferred until redemption (up to 30 years). They will always yield at least the inflation rate. They are currently yielding 1.18%, which is better then a savings account. You can buy 10k a year. http://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/research/indepth/ibonds/res_ibonds.htm

+1, i have been moving money from savings account into i-bonds for a few years. better return and better tax treatment, as long as you can afford to wait a year to get your contribution back out.
 

overst33r

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Using the rule of 70, you could potentially double your investments with an interest rate of 7%, so that's still a reasonable timeframe.

I'm nowhere near retirement and I don't believe in tax deferment investment vehicles, so good luck.

I think that's an unreasonable return when you adjust for inflation, taxes, and risk.

Here's a more realistic return. http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Historical_and_Expected_Returns

OP,

Due to your short time horizon, I think your best return will be money made from working longer. I second the IRA/401k/HSA if you have the funds to sock away.
 

SSSnail

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I buy lottery tickets. All my investments take a back seat to my plan A - win the lottery, instant retirement. :awe:
 

mshan

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