Savant at my university?

Carlis

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There is a guy at my university who is pretty weird. After seeing a program about savants, I began to wonder if he is one of them. During my almost four years in the physics program I have never seen any student score full on an exam, except this guy. We are about 120 students in my class. This guy on the other side, has never had one single point deducted from any examination or assignment ever. Recently, I learned he does not only study physics, but also computer science full time. Apart from that he does extra courses in math etc.
I think this guy has asperger or some kind of autistic disorder, because he is impossible to talk to about any thing except science and seems to have no life outside the university. A few times when I have dropped by the computer lab rather odd times of the day I have met him there. Once when my computer broke down and I had to make an urgent bank transfer and went to the lab at midnight he was there! Lately, my university has stopped publishing result lists for all students, so I cant follow his success but he has fascinated much of our class for years now. Is he a savant?
 

RESmonkey

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Why don't you try to talk to him or something? I'm sure he won't just ignore you.
 

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Only if "savant" is the new code word for a loser who spends their entire life studying and no time having fun... But seriously, there is a BIG difference between being really smart, being really hard working, and being a savant. Usually when I hear that term it is someone who is mentally challenged, but has some amazing ability in some very narrow field. Someone who is very successful at physics and computer science is not a savant, they are likely just a smart dude who apparently has no social life and consequently probably works more than anyone else.
 

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Only if "savant" is the new code word for a loser who spends their entire life studying and no time having fun... But seriously, there is a BIG difference between being really smart, being really hard working, and being a savant. Usually when I hear that term it is someone who is mentally challenged, but has some amazing ability in some very narrow field. Someone who is very successful at physics and computer science is not a savant, they are likely just a smart dude who apparently has no social life and consequently probably works more than anyone else.

That's basically what I was going to say.
 

JS80

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After watching the last season of ANTM I'm convinced asperger is BS.
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: JS80
After watching the last season of ATM I'm convinced asperger is BS.

I'm not sure what ATM is....

But having a son formally diagnosed with it and being certain that I am the source of the genes that gave it to him and a sufferer also, I can tell you with absolute certainty that your opinion is 100% wrong.
 

BrownTown

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Originally posted by: JS80
After watching the last season of ATM I'm convinced asperger is BS.

I don't know what "ATM" is either, but I tend to agree with you here, I consider alot of these mental "diseases" to be just normal variations, asbergers is just the PC name for the normal variation that 20 years ago might "super geek".
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: JS80
After watching the last season of ATM I'm convinced asperger is BS.

I don't know what "ATM" is either, but I tend to agree with you here, I consider alot of these mental "diseases" to be just normal variations, asbergers is just the PC name for the normal variation that 20 years ago might "super geek".

Sorry, I meant ANTM.
 

Carlis

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I tried to talk to him once when I met him in the lab. He just nodded and walked past me like I was some kind of obstacle.

Well... I have met a lot of nerds at my school, and I can tell you he is not like them. The common nerd is possible to talk to, you just have to keep to certain subjects. It is obvious to me that he suffers from some kind of disorder...

And I dont know his screen name...
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: JS80
After watching the last season of ATM I'm convinced asperger is BS.

I don't know what "ATM" is either, but I tend to agree with you here, I consider alot of these mental "diseases" to be just normal variations, asbergers is just the PC name for the normal variation that 20 years ago might "super geek".

You don't get it. Asperger's is not something that makes someone a "geek" or even desire to be a geek. It is a condition which completely regulates the thought processing of those afflicted with it.

It makes you (me and everyone else that I have met that has a formal and/or strong belief that they have it) take things very literally. You do not get a lot of the subtlety and nuance of the hidden or intended meanings behind statements.

Understanding and picking up on non-verbal communication is also a struggle. Along with many other aspects of communication.

When it comes to trying to explain things to others, you end up losing them because you go into so much detail with things that they zone out. The best part of that is that you really can't read their body language to know that they signed off 10 minutes earlier. :)

There are many other examples/symptoms/characteristics that I could list if you are truly interested in educating yourself on the topic. If you are already convinced that all differences fall within an acceptable range and we are all the same....good luck with that.
 

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Originally posted by: Carlis
I tried to talk to him once when I met him in the lab. He just nodded and walked past me like I was some kind of obstacle.

Well... I have met a lot of nerds at my school, and I can tell you he is not like them. The common nerd is possible to talk to, you just have to keep to certain subjects. It is obvious to me that he suffers from some kind of disorder...

And I dont know his screen name...

Sounds to me like he's just a recluse. He probably never developed social skills so that's why he throws himself into physics. If you're really that curious then start hanging around the lab for a while and eventually you'll find a way to talk to him.
 

thirtythree

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: JS80
After watching the last season of ATM I'm convinced asperger is BS.

I don't know what "ATM" is either, but I tend to agree with you here, I consider alot of these mental "diseases" to be just normal variations, asbergers is just the PC name for the normal variation that 20 years ago might "super geek".

You don't get it. Asperger's is not something that makes someone a "geek" or even desire to be a geek. It is a condition which completely regulates the thought processing of those afflicted with it.

It makes you (me and everyone else that I have met that has a formal and/or strong belief that they have it) take things very literally. You do not get a lot of the subtlety and nuance of the hidden or intended meanings behind statements.

Understanding and picking up on non-verbal communication is also a struggle. Along with many other aspects of communication.

When it comes to trying to explain things to others, you end up losing them because you go into so much detail with things that they zone out. The best part of that is that you really can't read their body language to know that they signed off 10 minutes earlier. :)

There are many other examples/symptoms/characteristics that I could list if you are truly interested in educating yourself on the topic. If you are already convinced that all differences fall within an acceptable range and we are all the same....good luck with that.
He's forming conclusions based on America's Next Top Model, so I doubt he's too interested in educating himself...
 

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: JS80
After watching the last season of ATM I'm convinced asperger is BS.

I don't know what "ATM" is either, but I tend to agree with you here, I consider alot of these mental "diseases" to be just normal variations, asbergers is just the PC name for the normal variation that 20 years ago might "super geek".

I'm with RightIsWrong. My Brother is diagnosed with Aspergers. He's 14 years old, gets all A's but his communication skills are a couple years behind (he stutters, doesn't get some common sense concepts etc. etc.) It's kinda like a very high level autism where they can actually communicate with people. Not to mention without the meds he's VERY obsessive/compulsive and bipolar.
 

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: JS80
After watching the last season of ATM I'm convinced asperger is BS.

I don't know what "ATM" is either, but I tend to agree with you here, I consider alot of these mental "diseases" to be just normal variations, asbergers is just the PC name for the normal variation that 20 years ago might "super geek".

You don't get it. Asperger's is not something that makes someone a "geek" or even desire to be a geek. It is a condition which completely regulates the thought processing of those afflicted with it.

It makes you (me and everyone else that I have met that has a formal and/or strong belief that they have it) take things very literally. You do not get a lot of the subtlety and nuance of the hidden or intended meanings behind statements.

Understanding and picking up on non-verbal communication is also a struggle. Along with many other aspects of communication.

When it comes to trying to explain things to others, you end up losing them because you go into so much detail with things that they zone out. The best part of that is that you really can't read their body language to know that they signed off 10 minutes earlier. :)

There are many other examples/symptoms/characteristics that I could list if you are truly interested in educating yourself on the topic. If you are already convinced that all differences fall within an acceptable range and we are all the same....good luck with that.

Heh it's like you're describing my brother down to every nuance. It's rough.
 

jersiq

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Originally posted by: thirtythree
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: JS80
After watching the last season of ATM I'm convinced asperger is BS.

I don't know what "ATM" is either, but I tend to agree with you here, I consider alot of these mental "diseases" to be just normal variations, asbergers is just the PC name for the normal variation that 20 years ago might "super geek".

You don't get it. Asperger's is not something that makes someone a "geek" or even desire to be a geek. It is a condition which completely regulates the thought processing of those afflicted with it.

It makes you (me and everyone else that I have met that has a formal and/or strong belief that they have it) take things very literally. You do not get a lot of the subtlety and nuance of the hidden or intended meanings behind statements.

Understanding and picking up on non-verbal communication is also a struggle. Along with many other aspects of communication.

When it comes to trying to explain things to others, you end up losing them because you go into so much detail with things that they zone out. The best part of that is that you really can't read their body language to know that they signed off 10 minutes earlier. :)

There are many other examples/symptoms/characteristics that I could list if you are truly interested in educating yourself on the topic. If you are already convinced that all differences fall within an acceptable range and we are all the same....good luck with that.
He's forming conclusions based on America's Next Top Model, so I doubt he's too interested in educating himself...


Isn't it amazing when engineers feel that they can re-write the DSM-IV?
Oh yeah, that's right, it's such a "pocket science" that any engineer could skip all the classes, and move straight to their PhD in the subject :roll:
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: jersiq
Isn't it amazing when engineers feel that they can re-write the DSM-IV?
Oh yeah, that's right, it's such a "pocket science" that any engineer could skip all the classes, and move straight to their PhD in the subject :roll:

Wait...psychology is SCIENCE now? I always thought it was one of the humanities!:Q




It used to be that "disorders" were things several standard deviations from the norm. These days a lot of "disorders" are things which deviate from the norm, but not by a whole lot, and as such IMHO shouldn't really count. Are they "dis"orders if we all have one? No one is "normal". But I suppose some are more normal than others...
 

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FWIW I have been diagnosed with Asberger's before (also ADHD FWIW), so maybe its BS, maybe its not, but its the sort of thing that people like to throw around alot and at the very least imo the number of people diagnosed with such things far exceeds the number who are actually messed up like that. Your listing of the diagnostic criteria is a good example IMO, a doctor does a 1 hour interview and because you try to just ignore them and get annoyed with all their stupid questions and suddenly BOOM!! they start diagnosing you with all kinds of mental diseases. I mean someone (like say my parents) who wanted to get a doctor to think I had asberger's (or a dozen other "diseases") can just cherry pick some facts pretty easily and make it look like you got whatever they want you to have. Like for example me, I didn't talk to another person on the phone till I was 18 years old, I didn't have a single real friend in elementary school or high school, when people talked to me I always looked at the ground and grunted at them till they went away. Now yeah that sounds like something is wrong there, but its not some evil mental disease, its the fact I was a total loser. Thank god I actually took it upon myself after going to college to try to reverse these trends, and at first I had to force myself to look up when I talked, had to force myself to learn how to make "small talk", had to actually grow the balls to talk to another person instead of being scared. But after a little work these things now come much more naturally, so I just get annoyed when people act like everyone who is a little different has some disease and can never get better, maybe if people actually helped their kids with their differences instead of trying to put labels on them or give them drugs or telling them they are messed up in the head then we wouldn't have nearly so many of these problems in this world.

NOTE: not trying to imply anyone here is a bad parent, or that "real" mental problems don't exist, just that our society these days is WAY to fast to put labels on anyone who differs even a little from the norm, or prescribe them drugs, instead of actually trying to help them learn to cope with their differences.
 

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
FWIW I have been diagnosed with Asberger's before (also ADHD FWIW), so maybe its BS, maybe its not, but its the sort of thing that people like to throw around alot and at the very least imo the number of people diagnosed with such things far exceeds the number who are actually messed up like that. Your listing of the diagnostic criteria is a good example IMO, a doctor does a 1 hour interview and because you try to just ignore them and get annoyed with all their stupid questions and suddenly BOOM!! they start diagnosing you with all kinds of mental diseases. I mean someone (like say my parents) who wanted to get a doctor to think I had asberger's (or a dozen other "diseases") can just cherry pick some facts pretty easily and make it look like you got whatever they want you to have. Like for example me, I didn't talk to another person on the phone till I was 18 years old, I didn't have a single real friend in elementary school or high school, when people talked to me I always looked at the ground and grunted at them till they went away. Now yeah that sounds like something is wrong there, but its not some evil mental disease, its the fact I was a total loser. Thank god I actually took it upon myself after going to college to try to reverse these trends, and at first I had to force myself to look up when I talked, had to force myself to learn how to make "small talk", had to actually grow the balls to talk to another person instead of being scared. But after a little work these things now come much more naturally, so I just get annoyed when people act like everyone who is a little different has some disease and can never get better, maybe if people actually helped their kids with their differences instead of trying to put labels on them or give them drugs or telling them they are messed up in the head then we wouldn't have nearly so many of these problems in this world.

NOTE: not trying to imply anyone here is a bad parent, or that "real" mental problems don't exist, just that our society these days is WAY to fast to put labels on anyone who differs even a little from the norm, or prescribe them drugs, instead of actually trying to help them learn to cope with their differences.

Good point. The number of disorders in the DSM has increased drastically, and there is evidence that some contributors to the DSM-IV have links to pharmaceutical companies. Creating new conditions to create a market for more drugs?

The alternative view is that medical science simply is better at identifying disorders than previously, so consequently more people are diagnosed.

Asperger's is real, so is ADD (although I believe ADD is over-diagnosed), but you're right, some people are too quick to jump on the drug bandwagon.

@jagec - there are definitely some BS disorders in the DSM (so what if someone dresses up as a transvestite in their spare time, if they can hold down a regular job, etc.). Since everyone falls somewhere on a spectrum for any type of measure, no one is at the average, or "normal" for every measure. A lot of grey area here.
 

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I agree wholeheartedly that there are "designer diagnoses". I'm glad that you have been able to adapt and improve the quality of life for yourself also. But that does not discount those of us that deal with it either personally or through a family member on a daily basis.

With that said, in the case of my son, he was 3 when he was diagnosed. He really wasn't of the capacity to be able to fake it. The symptoms were/are there: inability to make eye contact, parallel playing instead of interactive playing, extremely pedantic speech patterns, advanced vocabulary, monotone, able to remember/recall facts verbatim, sensory overload when it comes to bright lights (natural or man-made) and loud sounds, desire to interact with objects instead of people (loved plying on the PC so much that I created shortcuts to PBS Kids and Nick Jr for him), etc.

Some of the things that I am listing might seem like I am speaking about a child a lot older than three (he is now 4 1/2) but each was true in his case. At this age, he is able read, count to well over 100 (by 1s, 5s and 10s), do simple math ( +, -, *, /), recite episodes of SpongeBob like he wrote the script, open up Firefox and navigate to a "Kids" bookmark folder, click on whatever link he wants to go to and then click through those to get to the games or stories that he wants at that point.

He is still all of the other things as well, but my wife has been a stay at home mom to help get him ready for school and the rest of the world. She has done a wonderful job of helping him adapt. She has helped him with reaching out to seek interaction with others and to share his emotions and feelings. Thankfully, she is the polar opposite of me and our son so that has helped us both tremendously.
 

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Originally posted by: jagec
Wait...psychology is SCIENCE now? I always thought it was one of the humanities!:Q




It used to be that "disorders" were things several standard deviations from the norm. These days a lot of "disorders" are things which deviate from the norm, but not by a whole lot, and as such IMHO shouldn't really count. Are they "dis"orders if we all have one? No one is "normal". But I suppose some are more normal than others...
It's a social science, and there's plenty of scientific research that goes into it.

As for disorders, everyone doesn't have one, and they have also gotten rid of some "disorders" from previous editions (like homosexuality for starters). I don't doubt that they've added some also. I could completely be making this up, but I remember hearing that about 50% of the population qualifies for one of the DSM-IV disorders at some point in their lives, so not everyone does have one. I don't know what the percentage of disordered individuals at any given time is.
Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
Good point. The number of disorders in the DSM has increased drastically, and there is evidence that some contributors to the DSM-IV have links to pharmaceutical companies. Creating new conditions to create a market for more drugs?

The alternative view is that medical science simply is better at identifying disorders than previously, so consequently more people are diagnosed.

Asperger's is real, so is ADD (although I believe ADD is over-diagnosed), but you're right, some people are too quick to jump on the drug bandwagon.

@jagec - there are definitely some BS disorders in the DSM (so what if someone dresses up as a transvestite in their spare time, if they can hold down a regular job, etc.). Since everyone falls somewhere on a spectrum for any type of measure, no one is at the average, or "normal" for every measure. A lot of grey area here.
Again, this is based on information I remember from the past, but I believe that part of all DSM-IV disorders is that it's only a disorder if it causes significant impairment in one's life. I don't think the transvestite in your example would qualify. I think the relevant disorder would be "gender identity disorder."
 

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I agree wholeheartedly that there are "designer diagnoses". I'm glad that you have been able to adapt and improve the quality of life for yourself also. But that does not discount those of us that deal with it either personally or through a family member on a daily basis.

With that said, in the case of my son, he was 3 when he was diagnosed. He really wasn't of the capacity to be able to fake it. The symptoms were/are there: inability to make eye contact, parallel playing instead of interactive playing, extremely pedantic speech patterns, advanced vocabulary, monotone, able to remember/recall facts verbatim, sensory overload when it comes to bright lights (natural or man-made) and loud sounds, desire to interact with objects instead of people (loved plying on the PC so much that I created shortcuts to PBS Kids and Nick Jr for him), etc.

Some of the things that I am listing might seem like I am speaking about a child a lot older than three (he is now 4 1/2) but each was true in his case. At this age, he is able read, count to well over 100 (by 1s, 5s and 10s), do simple math ( +, -, *, /), recite episodes of SpongeBob like he wrote the script, open up Firefox and navigate to a "Kids" bookmark folder, click on whatever link he wants to go to and then click through those to get to the games or stories that he wants at that point.

He is still all of the other things as well, but my wife has been a stay at home mom to help get him ready for school and the rest of the world. She has done a wonderful job of helping him adapt. She has helped him with reaching out to seek interaction with others and to share his emotions and feelings. Thankfully, she is the polar opposite of me and our son so that has helped us both tremendously.
Some of the stuff makes me wonder if I should have seen a psychologist when I was little. When I was learning to spell, I had a Texas Instruments thing that would say the letters and words typed into it. Ever see a kid type "C-A-T" into a machine for hours on end, day after day, over and over? I'd do that. C. A. T. Enter - electronic noise - "Cat." Music, too - if I find a song I like, I can listen to it in a continuous loop, sometimes for a few hours. I try to memorize so that the melodies stick, so I can "listen" later in my mind, but they never do, they're always muddled and mixed. Oh well.
Computer games - I'd play the same game over and over. Raptor....phew, I don't know how many times I played that game through to the end. I'd spend hours hunting around the borders of 3d games, looking for amusing little bugs in the software, missing textures, or AI quirks. Eventually I'd actually get through the game's main plot, too.:)

That bit about remembering TV shows verbatim, that didn't always help me out. I'd try to interact with people - they'd talk about movies, so I'd mention some quote of the movie, and after a bit, they'd say, "Jeff, what are you talking about?" I'd just say that it's a part of the movie, and they'd have no recollection of it, and so tell me that I was being stupid again or something to that effect, that I was just trying to be cool and didn't know what I was talking about. I hated that, I knew I was right, I knew when the lines were, I knew the tones, the backgrounds, the context, but I was somehow wrong. Negative reinforcement - once a stimulus (direct personal interaction) becomes unpleasant after nearly every attempt, well, continuing to do so starts to amount to sadism. You don't cut yourself with a knife every day thinking, "Well maybe today it won't hurt me."

Eye contact to this day makes me uncomfortable, I freaked out when there were thunderstorms until....I don't know how old. Even into middle and high school, they were still an adrenaline rush, and I hated it. Before I could speak properly, I'd assigned unique sounds to individual letters. By sometime before 4th grade, I'd memorized the names, orbital times, distances, # of moons, length of the day, composition, etc etc, of the major planets. Sports, normal children's toys, they seemed utterly useless to me. I saw the mind as important, and the body was just a container and transport vessel for it. Sports felt like a waste of time, catering to the otherwise obsolete vestigial body. So in my mind, they were assigned a value of almost nothing. I didn't get the obsession with them that so many people seemed to have. I didn't have many friends, as I preferred dealing with teachers and adults; they seemed so much smarter and more mature than anyone my age. My peers were of course, childish, as they were children. Inanimate things made more sense. They were predictable, they didn't talk back.

School.....damn nightmare. I saw an episode of South Park which actually provided enlightenment (years too late). Cartman keeps ripping on Kyle all the time, and the homeschooled kid doesn't get it. "If he's your friend, why do you keep making fun of him?"
Stan replies with, "We're guys, it's what we do." Or something to that effect. I've heard too from one friend who also knew others who "tormented" me throughout school. He said that people kept trying to include me, but that I never went along with it. I wonder how much of the tormenting was actually intended to be funny or sarcastic, but I didn't understand that sort of humor or behavior, and took it to be an insult. For example, I hear guys at college say things like, "Fuck you man, you're such a dick," and then they laugh. Not too many years ago, if someone would say that to me, I'd take it literally and assume that they don't like me the slightest bit. That sort of bonding behavior, or whatever the hell you call it, was just completely foreign to me. I figured that if you say something insulting to someone, you mean it.
That bit, "read between the lines" - well, look at what's between lines of text. There's nothing there. And that's what I always would perceive.

In public, I've gotten better. I'll catch myself starting to stare intently at something, like a flickering light, or some mechanism. I could do something like that for a few minutes at a time before snapping out of it, just quietly watching something to see how it behaves.
Social niceties still remain an irritation. Small talk - speaking for the sake of occupying silences - seems utterly useless. Greetings, also useless. If I'm going talk to you, I already understand that you exist, I don't see the need to add in the "hello" to hammer this point home.
I try to engage in such things, but it's wearing. Every day is another acting class, like lying to everyone I meet, a false face that society deems borderline acceptable. It's what made shared living really rough. Dorms, roommates - I had nowhere to go to get away from everyone. Even when my roommates would be away, there was always present the knowledge that any second, they'd be back, and that element of mild chaos would be reintroduced. I didn't feel a truly relaxed moment for a few months at a time. Now I'm in my own apartment, just me. It's serenity like I'd never known before.

I wish I would have had some foresight, or......insight maybe, much earlier in life to pursue this. But I was a direction-follower. Do what you're told. Trust the adults, they know what they're doing. Don't make waves. That sort of stuff. Skipping grades was never presented, so I never brought it up. Going to a counselor or psychologist was never suggested, so I never brought it up.

I also seem to have a habit of going on a long, rambly rant whenever anyone mentions this sort of topic. :eek:



Aspergers - no, it's not a myth. It's part of the autistic spectrum, and as you know from the electromagnetic spectrum, it can cover a wide range of frequencies, or severities. Some people literally cannot function on their own, and may spend their lives trapped inside their own minds, unable to articulate anything coherent to the outside world. Others function extremely well within a specific area of interest, but may exhibit some of the social disorders associated with autism. Some people are at the extreme ends of the spectrum, from almost fully-functional, to entirely nonfunctional, with the majority somewhere in the middle. Maybe some day we'll have some sort of brain prism that'll neatly identify people by where their spectral line falls, but that day is not today.



RightIsWrong: Kudos on getting the early diagnosis. I'm sure it'll help him out later in life now that it's been seen early. :)
 

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
When I was learning to spell, I had a Texas Instruments thing that would say the letters and words typed into it. Ever see a kid type "C-A-T" into a machine for hours on end, day after day, over and over? I'd do that. C. A. T. Enter - electronic noise - "Cat." Music, too - if I find a song I like, I can listen to it in a continuous loop, sometimes for a few hours. I try to memorize so that the melodies stick, so I can "listen" later in my mind, but they never do, they're always muddled and mixed.


You mean the Speak and Spell.
Scroll about 1/3 down the page HERE


"Now spell sweet." The Speak and Spell should not require any kind of introduction because if you grew up in the 80's, you already know what it is. Released in 1978 by Texas Instruments, S&S was practically in every school. Did you know that Stephen Hawking lent his voice talents to give the Speak and Spell it's distinctive sound? The S&S would verbally ask you to spell a word, and then you would type in your answer on the touch pad (earlier versions had raised buttons.) Sometimes though it was very difficult to understand what it was asking. Also released were Speak and Math and Speak and Speak and Read.