Saul Alinsky?s Roadmap to the Whitehouse

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The fact that Karl Rove and Barack Obama have independently rediscovered certain political organizing principles basically older than dirt, does not mean other people have not rediscovered them before them.

Get a life, its all old repacked ideas, the ideology used is interchangeably irrelevant. Mere sour grapes, and nothing more.

This is the insight that everybody misses. what-ever it takes, is not exclusive to either candidate. Obama isn't the one.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Says Alinsky?s son L. David Alinsky of his father?s influence at the Dem Convention: ?ALL the elements were present: the individual stories told by real people of their situation and hardships, the packed-to-the rafters crowd, the crowd?s chanting of key phrases and names, the action on the spot of texting and phoning to show instant support and commitment to jump into the political battle, the rallying selections of music, the setting of the agenda by the power people.?

i mean with evidence like this, how can one not think obama is a commie? I MEAN THE GUY HAD RALLYING SELECTIONS OF MUSIC!!!!!!

 

[Moonbeam]

The bogeyman is about to become President.

 

[Budmantom]

So Obama is a communist and so are most of the people here...

 

[retrospooty]

I cant wait until Nov 4th, if for nothing else than to stop these constant pointless attacks on Obama about people he knew. Lets all just accept that he is an unamerican, socialist/communist/terrorist that somehow managed to get into teh white house.

Deal with it... You'll have 8 years of bitching ahead of you.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Vic
BTW, I can't find any credible sources to verify that Alinsky was a communist.

Well then, I will just take communism out of the discussion, and I'll take a hard look at the tenents of community activism...The nuts and bolts.

Another problem is this claim of mentorship, when Alinsky died when Obama was 9 years old, and I can't find any evidence that they ever even met.

Must've been the same summer he worked with Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground. Busy child!

 

[Butterbean]

Alinsky wasn't a classical economic Marxist but a cultural one in the tradition of Antonio Gramsci. Obama is also a cultural Marxist and a reason he gravitated toward liberation theology which is also Gramscian at heart. Here is good article about Obama and Alinksy:

Revolution you can believe in
http://www.spectator.co.uk/mel...u-can-believe-in.thtml

"But Obama brought a special slant to Alinsky?s radicalism.Far from being ? as he has been painted ? a ?post-racial? politician, Obama?s politics are all about promoting the cause of black people and achieving ?reparations? from white society (a perspective through which his whole welfare redistribution agenda is framed). Accordingly, he saw his three-year role as a community organiser in Chicago as mobilising black people for action against their white oppressors. Finding himself hampered in creating an activist network among black churches, he decided to join such a church to give himself more credibility. That?s why he joined the infamous black-power Trinity Church of Christ ? a move, it seems, that had less to do with any spiritual quest than as a radical tactic for mobilising the black proletariat."


This was written before the tape came out last week describing how the court battles of the 60's failed to enact redistribution of wealth

Barack Obama: "You know, if you look at the victories and failures of the civil-rights movement, and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at a lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it, I?d be okay, but the Supreme Court never entered into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society."

Hes basically talking about reparations. Obama is no unifier except when it suits him to appear that way. Obama is a committed cultural Marxist who sees the world through a racial lens.

 

[Vic]

And in walks Butteredbean on cue to regurgitate his spoonfed hate propaganda on the rest of us.

Call it the Moron you can't believe in.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: sandorski
Good for him. So the big question is: So what?

Good God. What do you know about Obama, except for what he has told you and allowed you to see? Don't you have any desire to know what makes the man tick?

have you read Obamas books?

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Vic
BTW, I can't find any credible sources to verify that Alinsky was a communist.

Well then, I will just take communism out of the discussion, and I'll take a hard look at the tenents of community activism...The nuts and bolts.

Another problem is this claim of mentorship, when Alinsky died when Obama was 9 years old, and I can't find any evidence that they ever even met.

Must've been the same summer he worked with Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground. Busy child!

you just stated that Barack Obama knew Bill Ayers as a child which is a LIE.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Vic
BTW, I can't find any credible sources to verify that Alinsky was a communist.

Well then, I will just take communism out of the discussion, and I'll take a hard look at the tenents of community activism...The nuts and bolts.

Another problem is this claim of mentorship, when Alinsky died when Obama was 9 years old, and I can't find any evidence that they ever even met.

Must've been the same summer he worked with Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground. Busy child!

you just stated that Barack Obama knew Bill Ayers as a child which is a LIE.

consult sarcasm meter

 

[Lemon law]

Well, this, IMHO, is a testable hypothesis. We need to find a copy of Alinsky's last will and testament, and when we come to the part where Alinsky bequeathed all his political skills and methods to Barack Obama,
I will consider that proof positive.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
So Obama is a communist and so are most of the people here...

Exactly! And they hate America, and freedom and they hate the fact that you make money and they want to take it from you, ever penny. I do believe, wholeheartedly, that within 4 years the US will have among the weakest militaries in the world, unemployment at 20% if not 30%, and socialism will be rampant.

I even heard that Obama is going to force all women between 20-25 to be made pregnant with his sperm in clinics. Those who are not able to bear child for one reason or another will be forced into new special jobs at "production centers" doing demeaning human labor.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Budmantom
So Obama is a communist and so are most of the people here...

Exactly! And they hate America, and freedom and they hate the fact that you make money and they want to take it from you, ever penny. I do believe, wholeheartedly, that within 4 years the US will have among the weakest militaries in the world, unemployment at 20% if not 30%, and socialism will be rampant.

I even heard that Obama is going to force all women between 20-25 to be made pregnant with his sperm in clinics. Those who are not able to bear child for one reason or another will be forced into new special jobs at "production centers" doing demeaning human labor.

I don't doubt much of the first paragraph, I don't think it will be within 4 years but if he gets 8 watch out.

The bolded part well I'll have to take your word on it.

Since you are an Obama supporter let me know 2 things (seriously) Obama will raise taxes on people making $250, 200, 150 or 42k?

Obama recently spoke of a Civilian Army, what was he referring to?

 

[StageLeft]

Since you are an Obama supporter let me know 2 things (seriously) Obama will raise taxes on people making $250, 200, 150 or 42k?

Probably one of those, somebody has to pay for the federal debt.

Obama recently spoke of a Civilian Army, what was he referring to?

Not sure, maybe he wants a thought police to protect us all from dissenters.

 

[yllus]

Canada Free Press isn't anything near reputable journalism. Even disregarding that, what in that article is a problem? That Senator Obama knows how to effectively organize people for his cause? That he's occasionally ruthless in the pursuit of power? This as opposed to what any other politician who's become a candidate for the White House?

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: Vic
And in walks Butteredbean on cue to regurgitate his spoonfed hate propaganda on the rest of us.

Call it the Moron you can't believe in.

Hey its just reality. No Objective person can deny Obama's extensive Alinsky background - or his Marxism. You need to resolve the emotions that keep you locked out from seeing what's in front of you. We have half the country like that these days and we will end up in a ditch.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Since you are an Obama supporter let me know 2 things (seriously) Obama will raise taxes on people making $250, 200, 150 or 42k?

Probably one of those, somebody has to pay for the federal debt.

Obama recently spoke of a Civilian Army, what was he referring to?

Not sure, maybe he wants a thought police to protect us all from dissenters.

So you are like most Obama supporters...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: Vic
And in walks Butteredbean on cue to regurgitate his spoonfed hate propaganda on the rest of us.

Call it the Moron you can't believe in.

Hey its just reality. No Objective person can deny Obama's extensive Alinsky background - or his Marxism. You need to resolve the emotions that keep you locked out from seeing what's in front of you. We have half the country like that these days and we will end up in a ditch.

The problem with your argument, BB, is that you think 'Marxism' is letting poor people vote.

In the meantime, you let your emotions blind you to the Pubs well-known political tactics, perfected by Atwater the student of Goebbels.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Budmantom
So Obama is a communist and so are most of the people here...

Exactly! And they hate America, and freedom and they hate the fact that you make money and they want to take it from you, ever penny. I do believe, wholeheartedly, that within 4 years the US will have among the weakest militaries in the world, unemployment at 20% if not 30%, and socialism will be rampant.

I even heard that Obama is going to force all women between 20-25 to be made pregnant with his sperm in clinics. Those who are not able to bear child for one reason or another will be forced into new special jobs at "production centers" doing demeaning human labor.

I don't doubt much of the first paragraph, I don't think it will be within 4 years but if he gets 8 watch out.

The bolded part well I'll have to take your word on it.

Since you are an Obama supporter let me know 2 things (seriously) Obama will raise taxes on people making $250, 200, 150 or 42k?

Obama recently spoke of a Civilian Army, what was he referring to?

Well Budmantom, all you're doing with the first paragraph is taking the standard Republican line they use every election hook line and sinker.

As for the 'civilian army' it has been explained to you many times. You even made a thread about it where it was explained to you. It's really simple, so why do you keep asking?

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Budmantom
So Obama is a communist and so are most of the people here...

Exactly! And they hate America, and freedom and they hate the fact that you make money and they want to take it from you, ever penny. I do believe, wholeheartedly, that within 4 years the US will have among the weakest militaries in the world, unemployment at 20% if not 30%, and socialism will be rampant.

I even heard that Obama is going to force all women between 20-25 to be made pregnant with his sperm in clinics. Those who are not able to bear child for one reason or another will be forced into new special jobs at "production centers" doing demeaning human labor.

I don't doubt much of the first paragraph, I don't think it will be within 4 years but if he gets 8 watch out.

The bolded part well I'll have to take your word on it.

Since you are an Obama supporter let me know 2 things (seriously) Obama will raise taxes on people making $250, 200, 150 or 42k?

Obama recently spoke of a Civilian Army, what was he referring to?

Well Budmantom, all you're doing with the first paragraph is taking the standard Republican line they use every election hook line and sinker.

As for the 'civilian army' it has been explained to you many times. You even made a thread about it where it was explained to you. It's really simple, so why do you keep asking?

Also known as the truth?

As far as the civilian army 2 people answered the question with 2 different answers one said Peace Corps and you said diplomats... and they will be funded as well as the US army and that doesn't make sense. link to a great explanation

The funny thing is that nobody has an idea and when asked provoking questions people get their panties in a wad.