Saudi Royals checkmate reeling neocons failed "War on Terror"

[Steeplerot]

Saudi Arabia has warned it could decide to provide financial support to Iraqi Sunnis if the U.S. pulls its troops out of Iraq, where sectarian violence between the minority Sunnis and majority Iraqi Shiites has threatened to tear apart the country, The New York Times reported.

Saudi Arabia is a majority Sunni country and up to now has promised U.S. officials that it would not intervene to assist Iraq's Sunni insurgency, according to the report, appearing in Wednesday's edition of The Times and citing anonymous American and Arab diplomatic sources.

But that promise might not hold if U.S. troops leave Iraq, the newspaper said. The Bush administration has repeatedly said there are no plans for the immediate pullout of U.S. troops.

The Times reported that King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia sent the warning to Vice President Dick Cheney two weeks ago during the vice president's visit to Riyadh. The message also emphasized the kingdom's displeasure with proposed talks between the U.S. government and Iran.
Link (Thanks to Eaglekeeper)


Saudi cash (Your gasoline bill!) buys weapons for Iraqi rebels
Now every time you pay at the pump you get a free dead US soldiers blood on your hands. -What a deal!

Saudi clerics urge Muslims to support Iraqi Sunnis against Shiites (Still waiting for a link from royal family confirming what is on TV) Link

In other news long time Saudi ambassador to US resigns.


It is obvious what dick the dick cheney was up to in SA here recently.

Thank You Republicans, for politicizing the split in two countries.

Before this optional "war", these lived together, side by side, for a long time.

Thanks to the US, Britain, et al., for the help in pushing yet another former colony to the brink.

Maybe next time these people will listen to more reasoned debate before running off playing little napoleons with the world in the name of empire. -Yeah right!

 

[Aimster]

Saudi Arabia .. best country in the world.

 

[her209]

War on Terror...

Axis of Evil...

Freedom is on the march...

 

[tomywishbone]

The Saudi Royals love us. All other Saudi's hate our f-ing guts.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
My roommate just told me this over the TV about Saudis statement.

LinkSaudi clerics urge Muslims to support Iraqi Sunnis against Shiites (Still waiting for a link from royal family confirming what is on TV)

Kinda funny ambassador to US just resigned.


Wonder what dick the dick cheney was up to in SA here recently.

Better fill up that tank.

Well, hey, with Iran in the war in Iraq through proxy then SA should join in too.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
My roommate just told me this over the TV about Saudis statement.

LinkSaudi clerics urge Muslims to support Iraqi Sunnis against Shiites (Still waiting for a link from royal family confirming what is on TV)

Kinda funny ambassador to US just resigned.


Wonder what dick the dick cheney was up to in SA here recently.

Better fill up that tank.

Well, hey, with Iran in the war in Iraq through proxy then SA should join in too.

Holy war : Mission accomplished, heckuva job :thumbsdown:

 

[EagleKeeper]

The Saudis have also stated that they will actively support the Sunni insurrection "finacially", in Iraq if the US pulls out.

Link

/edit

Same story as the OP - just a different spin & link

 

[ayabe]

The problem is they've been supporting them all along despite hand holding sessions with Bush and Cheney. There are so many princes with so much money they just get bored and need new forms of entertainment. Coke and hookers gets old I guess, even for a Saudi Prince.

 

[daveshel]

nm

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The Saudis have also stated that they will actively support the Sunni insurrection "finacially", in Iraq if the US pulls out.

Link

/edit

Same story as the OP - just a different spin & link

Sounds like blackmail to me,

Great job neocon twits, now we are the saudis bitches for the whole world to see!

(But we all knew this already)

Tough on national defense, placing uncle sams nutsack firmly in the saudis grasp: vote republican!

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The Saudis have also stated that they will actively support the Sunni insurrection "finacially", in Iraq if the US pulls out.

Link

/edit

Same story as the OP - just a different spin & link

Sounds like blackmail to me,

Great job neocon twits, now we are the saudis bitches for the whole world to see!

(But we all knew this already)

Tough on national defense, placing uncle sams nutsack firmly in the saudis grasp: vote republican!

America has always been their bitches. They own over 10% of all of America.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: her209
War on Terror...

Axis of Evil...

Freedom is on the march...

Stay the Course

Don't weaken our resolve

Insurgents

Detainees

They really need to compile a list of marketing terms that this country is sold on...

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The Saudis have also stated that they will actively support the Sunni insurrection "finacially", in Iraq if the US pulls out.

Link

/edit

Same story as the OP - just a different spin & link

Sounds like blackmail to me,

Great job neocon twits, now we are the saudis bitches for the whole world to see!

(But we all knew this already)

Tough on national defense, placing uncle sams nutsack firmly in the saudis grasp: vote republican!

America has always been their bitches. They own over 10% of all of America.

99% of statistics are made up.

 

[fallenangel99]

Unbelievable. Here we have a Saudi Gov't(Sunni) saying that it will finance the Sunnis (who are the minority in Iraq) if the U.S. pulls out. And we give ****** over Iran (Shiite) financing Hezbollah (Shiite)

Can't we just get rid of Sunnis and Shiites?!

Or just put Saddam back in power? When he was in power, he was in total control. The sunnis and shiites didn't kill each other or bombs going off everyday.

 

[Aimster]

If you look at the majoity of attacks inside Iraq they are mainly from Sunni. Yet they are the minority.

I blame Saudi Arabia for the mess inside Iraq.

The Sunnis inside Iraq are loyal to Saddam. They dont care about the lives of Shia so they go around and murder as many of them as they can.

The Shias get angry and hit back.

Bravo U.S. Iraq is liberated

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Aimster
If you look at the majoity of attacks inside Iraq they are mainly from Sunni. Yet they are the minority.

I blame Saudi Arabia for the mess inside Iraq.

The Sunnis inside Iraq are loyal to Saddam. They dont care about the lives of Shia so they go around and murder as many of them as they can.

The Shias get angry and hit back.

Bravo U.S. Iraq is liberated

Why blame the Saudis, why not blame the Whitehouse? They went in there, against the wishes of Saudi Arabia, and tried to democratize one of the most heterogenous countries (after Lebanon and Israel) in the Middle East. Bush really screwed this one. Blame him.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Aimster
If you look at the majoity of attacks inside Iraq they are mainly from Sunni. Yet they are the minority.

I blame Saudi Arabia for the mess inside Iraq.

The Sunnis inside Iraq are loyal to Saddam. They dont care about the lives of Shia so they go around and murder as many of them as they can.

The Shias get angry and hit back.

Bravo U.S. Iraq is liberated

Why blame the Saudis, why not blame the Whitehouse? They went in there, against the wishes of Saudi Arabia, and tried to democratize one of the most heterogenous countries (after Lebanon and Israel) in the Middle East. Bush really screwed this one. Blame him.

Because their country is ****** up the ass.

9/11 - majority saudi, no?
Osama - saudi, no?

Guess who went to Chechnya (spl?) and trained people to blow themselves up and kill civilians - saudis

out of all the countries that neighbor Iraq, who are the ones outside of Iraq going inside Iraq to blow themselves up? saudis

 

[GrGr]

The US is so screwed. Bush's pipe dream of a happy US puppet state in Iraq will never ever happen. The US cannot stay because the bloodbath their occupation has created will become "satanic" (to use a CIA assessment of the situation) nor leave without admitting that the White House, Congress and both political parties are thoroughly corrupt.

It is fascinating to see the US trying to win this self created war by spin from political commissars in Washington.

If you thought the fallout from Vietnam was painful for the US just wait until this party is over.

 

[judasmachine]

I love the smell of burning flesh and oil in the morning, it smells like mission accomplished.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Aimster
If you look at the majoity of attacks inside Iraq they are mainly from Sunni. Yet they are the minority.

I blame Saudi Arabia for the mess inside Iraq.

The Sunnis inside Iraq are loyal to Saddam. They dont care about the lives of Shia so they go around and murder as many of them as they can.

The Shias get angry and hit back.

Bravo U.S. Iraq is liberated

Why blame the Saudis, why not blame the Whitehouse? They went in there, against the wishes of Saudi Arabia, and tried to democratize one of the most heterogenous countries (after Lebanon and Israel) in the Middle East. Bush really screwed this one. Blame him.

Because their country is ****** up the ass.

9/11 - majority saudi, no?
Osama - saudi, no?

Guess who went to Chechnya (spl?) and trained people to blow themselves up and kill civilians - saudis

out of all the countries that neighbor Iraq, who are the ones outside of Iraq going inside Iraq to blow themselves up? saudis

You have no idea how Middle Eastern politics works. The workhorse may be the Saudis, but the intellectuals of the Arab world are by far the Egyptians. Who leads Al Qaeda, the real operational and intellectual leader? Zawahiri the Egyptian. Where did bin Laden get his inspiration from? The Muslim Brotherhood, an Egyptian organization. There were 19 terrorists/martyrs on September 11, but the four leaders (one for each plane) were all Egyptians.

The Saudis may provide money and manpower, but the Egyptians are far more influential. And the Saudis have to pay lip-service to these militant imans because they live in that part of the world. They aren't westerners. They are guardians of the two Holy Places. Their country isn't sh!t. It may be in your eyes, but the Saudis are under a lot of pressure to carry out the interests of their people and their people don't want white people occupying an arab country. They also don't want our political system in their land. That's why they didn't want America coming in their preaching democracy bullsh!t because everyone knew that that was simply a trojan horse to Iraqi oil. The Iranians saw that as well and let us do the dirty work. Now you blame the Saudis because America inadvertinly (sic?) made Iran more powerful? That's a weird assessment.

 

[Steeplerot]

And how much aid do we provide Egypt? 50 Bil now?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
And how much aid do we provide Egypt? 50 Bil now?

Yep. The Middle East is a very tough neighborhood. America deserves whatever happens to her for entangling herself with all these despots, kings, and dictators and going along with double standards that come with that..

Wasn't it Jefferson that warned against entangled allignments? Or was it George Washington?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
And how much aid do we provide Egypt? 50 Bil now?

Yep. The Middle East is a very tough neighborhood. America deserves whatever happens to her for entangling herself with all these despots, kings, and dictators and going along with double standards that come with that..

Wasn't it Jefferson that warned against entangled allignments? Or was it George Washington?

Washington if I remember off the top of my head.

Edit: Yep, in his farewell address

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Aimster
If you look at the majoity of attacks inside Iraq they are mainly from Sunni. Yet they are the minority.

I blame Saudi Arabia for the mess inside Iraq.

The Sunnis inside Iraq are loyal to Saddam. They dont care about the lives of Shia so they go around and murder as many of them as they can.

The Shias get angry and hit back.

Bravo U.S. Iraq is liberated

Why blame the Saudis, why not blame the Whitehouse? They went in there, against the wishes of Saudi Arabia, and tried to democratize one of the most heterogenous countries (after Lebanon and Israel) in the Middle East. Bush really screwed this one. Blame him.

Because their country is ****** up the ass.

9/11 - majority saudi, no?
Osama - saudi, no?

Guess who went to Chechnya (spl?) and trained people to blow themselves up and kill civilians - saudis

out of all the countries that neighbor Iraq, who are the ones outside of Iraq going inside Iraq to blow themselves up? saudis

You have no idea how Middle Eastern politics works. The workhorse may be the Saudis, but the intellectuals of the Arab world are by far the Egyptians. Who leads Al Qaeda, the real operational and intellectual leader? Zawahiri the Egyptian. Where did bin Laden get his inspiration from? The Muslim Brotherhood, an Egyptian organization. There were 19 terrorists/martyrs on September 11, but the four leaders (one for each plane) were all Egyptians.

The Saudis may provide money and manpower, but the Egyptians are far more influential. And the Saudis have to pay lip-service to these militant imans because they live in that part of the world. They aren't westerners. They are guardians of the two Holy Places. Their country isn't sh!t. It may be in your eyes, but the Saudis are under a lot of pressure to carry out the interests of their people and their people don't want white people occupying an arab country. They also don't want our political system in their land. That's why they didn't want America coming in their preaching democracy bullsh!t because everyone knew that that was simply a trojan horse to Iraqi oil. The Iranians saw that as well and let us do the dirty work. Now you blame the Saudis because America inadvertinly (sic?) made Iran more powerful? That's a weird assessment.

Did Osama not follow a new sect of Islam - Wahabbism?

Founded by none other than Saudi Arabia?

Please educate me.

Were the Taliban not Wahhabi?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Aimster
If you look at the majoity of attacks inside Iraq they are mainly from Sunni. Yet they are the minority.

I blame Saudi Arabia for the mess inside Iraq.

The Sunnis inside Iraq are loyal to Saddam. They dont care about the lives of Shia so they go around and murder as many of them as they can.

The Shias get angry and hit back.

Bravo U.S. Iraq is liberated

Why blame the Saudis, why not blame the Whitehouse? They went in there, against the wishes of Saudi Arabia, and tried to democratize one of the most heterogenous countries (after Lebanon and Israel) in the Middle East. Bush really screwed this one. Blame him.

Because their country is ****** up the ass.

9/11 - majority saudi, no?
Osama - saudi, no?

Guess who went to Chechnya (spl?) and trained people to blow themselves up and kill civilians - saudis

out of all the countries that neighbor Iraq, who are the ones outside of Iraq going inside Iraq to blow themselves up? saudis

You have no idea how Middle Eastern politics works. The workhorse may be the Saudis, but the intellectuals of the Arab world are by far the Egyptians. Who leads Al Qaeda, the real operational and intellectual leader? Zawahiri the Egyptian. Where did bin Laden get his inspiration from? The Muslim Brotherhood, an Egyptian organization. There were 19 terrorists/martyrs on September 11, but the four leaders (one for each plane) were all Egyptians.

The Saudis may provide money and manpower, but the Egyptians are far more influential. And the Saudis have to pay lip-service to these militant imans because they live in that part of the world. They aren't westerners. They are guardians of the two Holy Places. Their country isn't sh!t. It may be in your eyes, but the Saudis are under a lot of pressure to carry out the interests of their people and their people don't want white people occupying an arab country. They also don't want our political system in their land. That's why they didn't want America coming in their preaching democracy bullsh!t because everyone knew that that was simply a trojan horse to Iraqi oil. The Iranians saw that as well and let us do the dirty work. Now you blame the Saudis because America inadvertinly (sic?) made Iran more powerful? That's a weird assessment.

Did Osama not follow a new sect of Islam - Wahabbism?

Founded by none other than Saudi Arabia?

Please educate me.

Were the Taliban not Wahhabi?

Yeah? So? But bin Laden was nothing until Zawahiri joined his organization. After he joined, Al Qaeda went from strength to strength. The point being that Wahhabbism may be a spiritual movement, but the operational, managerial, and execution needed to make any organization what is is dependent upon those that have such skills. Bin laden didn't have those skills. He attracted people but it was Zawahiri that took Al Qaeda to a new level. The same is true for the Taliban. It may have attracted people because of their purity , but it was the ISI, Pakistan's military intelligence, that provided the skills needed to capture almost all of Afghanistan until America came along.


EDIT: Today, because of Zawahiri and George Bush, Al Qaeda has gone from an organization to a movement. It is a movement against Western influences that many people within and without the Muslim world can identify with. Even with the death of Zawahiri and bin Laden, the resistence has taken on a whole new meaning because terror can come in absolutely any and every form. Furthermore, there's no stopping it because, with Iraq, this movement is in and of itself an entity, a creation, that may grow bigger or die depending on what happens in the Middle East.