Satanist has excellent insight on religion

[Rakehellion]

Yeah, you trolled me so hard. I'm in tears.

I don't care what someone thinks about an atheist. I'm furthering the discussion.

 

[justoh]

Sara next door doesn't believe gays are going to hell, Hank at work believes dancing is a sin, Joe down the street doesn't think the Bible should be taken literally, and 4-year-old little Timmy doesn't really understand any of it but plays along because his parents made him.

When it comes down to it, I doubt you could find two people who practice any religion in exactly the same way.

That doesn't make sense. How can people be said to be practicing a religion if they aren't practicing it, mama?

 

[cubby1223]

That doesn't make sense. How can people be said to be practicing a religion if they aren't practicing it, mama?

Just like Retro Rob said in the beginning - atheists do not understand religion. And most atheists I've seen across internet forums do not want to listen to people who describe their interpretation of religion, they are primarily interested in framing religion in the way they find most humorous.

Don't pretend you're exploiting some deep truths to shine the light on the realities of religion. There is a giant split in Christianity between the Catholics and the protestants. Everyone who is religious knows different people believe different things. It's the commonalities between people that holds them together.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah, you trolled me so hard. I'm in tears.

I don't care what someone thinks about an atheist. I'm furthering the discussion.

I don't think anything about atheists or the religious for that matter but it strikes me that some of them think of themselves too highly for being one and despising the other. You might be either but neither impresses me . It's about what people actually are like when they don't think anyone is looking. Being a worthless person is agnostic.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Yeah, you trolled me so hard. I'm in tears.

I don't care what someone thinks about an atheist. I'm furthering the discussion.

Satanism and Atheism are sad ways of life. :|

 

[justoh]

Satanism and Atheism are sad ways of life. :|

Life. Don't talk to me about life.

 

[justoh]

Just like Retro Rob said in the beginning - atheists do not understand religion. And most atheists I've seen across internet forums do not want to listen to people who describe their interpretation of religion, they are primarily interested in framing religion in the way they find most humorous.

Don't pretend you're exploiting some deep truths to shine the light on the realities of religion. There is a giant split in Christianity between the Catholics and the protestants. Everyone who is religious knows different people believe different things. It's the commonalities between people that holds them together.

Jesus knew no one man could speak for everyone in a religion. Men can be intolerant, but rabbits are pure

 

[PowerEngineer]

Just like Retro Rob said in the beginning - atheists do not understand religion. And most atheists I've seen across internet forums do not want to listen to people who describe their interpretation of religion, they are primarily interested in framing religion in the way they find most humorous.

An objective reading of the threads on religion in these forums will show you that believers have just as much trouble understanding atheists and agnostics. I'll agree with you that not all posts made by nonbelievers are likely to help explain nonbelief, however you might concede the same can be said about the usefulness of posts made by some holier-than-thou believers. Being occasionally guilty of such trespass myself, I'm normally willing to ignore them.

Don't pretend you're exploiting some deep truths to shine the light on the realities of religion. There is a giant split in Christianity between the Catholics and the protestants. Everyone who is religious knows different people believe different things. It's the commonalities between people that holds them together.

I would think that this logically leads to the realization that what most (possibly all) of these people believe is actually untrue. Why doesn't what you characterize as the "giant split" between catholics and protestants suggest to believers on both sides that they might be on the wrong side of that split? How can this be reconciled with absolute faith (i.e. lack of any doubt) in your own personal belief?

 

[justoh]

I'll agree with you that not all posts made by nonbelievers are likely to help explain nonbelief

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[William Gaatjes]

I watched a documentary and actually forgot which one it was, but they asked a lot of different people the same question (about god or something) and the best response came from a Satanist.
He said that people have natural impulses and religion focuses on those natural behaviors and calls them SINFUL. Religion knows people can't stop these things, and to make them feel guilty just for being human is brilliant. He called it the greatest con game in history. This is true. Also, I am incredibly handsome.

Religion is just a tool to unite a group of people with different interests and to educate that group further. Unfortunately, some preachers and other (self chosen) representatives of God do like the power they have over people and wield that power for their own benefits along with idiotic ideas about the past. And that is the issue why religion occasionally becomes a burden instead of a blessing. A satanist might as well be just someone who would also like to have the power as for example a Christian preacher has over Christian believers.

I agree with this :

I think we can all agree that the seven deadly sins; pride (narcissism), lust (as in a lack of self control), greed, gluttony, wrath, sloth, and envy are not exactly positive traits in any human being. Where as their opposite virtues are something to strive for. Christianity does get some things right.

Where religion goes wrong is either exploiting the faithful for their own ends, or believing that their solution is the only solution. That an atheist or Hindu cannot be moral because they do not believe in the same god, despite most groups agreeing on what's right and wrong.

 

[cubby1223]

I would think that this logically leads to the realization that what most (possibly all) of these people believe is actually untrue. Why doesn't what you characterize as the "giant split" between catholics and protestants suggest to believers on both sides that they might be on the wrong side of that split? How can this be reconciled with absolute faith (i.e. lack of any doubt) in your own personal belief?

There are a ton of material out there arguing this very topic. There is a lot more in common between Catholics and protestants than there are differences.

Most Christians I know follow the religion not because of the fine print of the scripture and the practices/traditions, nor to, say, wage war against the gays, but because it brings happiness and comfort to their lives, it teaches them to be nicer and kinder to people around them, and teaches them not to be greedy and selfish. Atheism doesn't provide those things to them.

Where are you currently in life, where do you want to be in your life, and what paths are available to achieving them?

 

[justoh]

it teaches them to be nicer and kinder to people around them, and teaches them not to be greedy and selfish. Atheism doesn't provide those things to them.

Stupid much?

 

[FelixDeCat]

Stupid much?

Stupid? You can't even form a coherent sentence.

Atheism is the root of all incoherent thought.

 

[justoh]

Stupid? You can't even form a coherent sentence.

Atheism is the root of all incoherent thought.

 

[Rakehellion]

That doesn't make sense. How can people be said to be practicing a religion if they aren't practicing it, mama?

Because they say they are.

That's how spinoffs like denominations get started.

 

[Rakehellion]

Satanism and Atheism are sad ways of life. :|

People who judge others based on superficial information are sad.

 

[Rakehellion]

it teaches them to be nicer and kinder to people around them, and teaches them not to be greedy and selfish. Atheism doesn't provide those things to them.

A dog knows how to be nice to people. Morality is inherent in everyone.

Religion teaches people how to hate gays and women and bomb buildings. But really, this is a false dichotomy. People know right and wrong with or without religion. Religion teaches you to fear punishment in the afterlife.

If religion helps you be a better person, great. But many people don't need it.

 

[FelixDeCat]

You are right Felix, please excuse my rudeness and arrogance due to atheism.

It's ok, "justoh", I forgive you. ()

 

[FelixDeCat]

People who judge others based on superficial information are sad.

What makes the information superficial? Your judgement? Pfft. :whiste:

 

[FelixDeCat]

:|

 

[justoh]

A dog knows how to be nice to people. Morality is inherent in everyone.

Religion teaches people how to hate gays and women and bomb buildings. But really, this is a false dichotomy. People know right and wrong with or without religion. Religion teaches you to fear punishment in the afterlife.

If religion helps you be a better person, great. But many people don't need it.

People are either good or bad, but religion can make good people do bad things. Atheism is irrelevant to what people do. That's why that cubby person is an idiot for commenting that people don't find morality in atheism. Could say the same thing for vegetarianism. Felix is just a product of bad parenting. Shouldn't you be picking up your mom from church around about now, felix?

 

[Rakehellion]

People are either good or bad, but religion can make good people do bad things.

People are neither good nor bad. That's an obtuse way of dehumanizing people.

You can be the Pope or Westboro. The way you practice religion is an extension of yourself.

 

[FelixDeCat]

People are either good or bad, but religion can make good people do bad things. Atheism is irrelevant to what people do. That's why that cubby person is an idiot for commenting that people don't find morality in atheism. Could say the same thing for vegetarianism. Felix is just a product of bad parenting. Shouldn't you be picking up your mom from church around about now, felix?

You are a creepy person and on ignore now. You are scheduled for release from the iggy bin on 7/4/14. I hope you will use that that time to reflect on why you were put there. :|

 

[justoh]

People are neither good nor bad. That's an obtuse way of dehumanizing people.

You can be the Pope or Westboro. The way you practice religion is an extension of yourself.

fine, people can be moral or immoral, or perform actions which are either, but religion can cause otherwise morally healthy individuals to behave in ways immoral

 

[Rakehellion]

fine, people can be moral or immoral, or perform actions which are either, but religion can cause otherwise morally healthy individuals to behave in ways immoral

That's just not true. There's no mainstream religion that teaches you to do bad things. It's people who teach other people to do those things, religious or not.