SATA Raid 0 or just Raid 0?

[Aeryk9]

I have the Gigabyte 8INXP mobo and I'm down to where I have to actually make all the connections. I've never worked with Raid before but I understand the idea. This mobo also supports SATA Raid 0 striping or I can settle for just Raid 0 with my two 80 gb maxtors. Right now I'm going to throw in a 2.4 Ghz cpu that I'll be using in another computer later on with a Thermaltake subzero4g cpu cooler. The case just came in and it will have a Radeon 9500 graphics cards for the time being. I just don't know how much advantage I'll get using the SATA Raid and whether I connect the Sony DRU-500 to them or not. Any advice?

Thank you for any help you can give.

 

[MichaelD]

I'm not sure if you know this or not, but to use the Serial ATA controller on your motherboard, you need either:

1. Serial ATA hard drives
2. Adaptors that allow you to use regular IDE hard drives on the serial ATA controller (which basically defeats the purpose of using serial ATA anyway.


Currently, Serial ATA drives are about $150 apiece for only 36GB of storage. These days you can find a 120GB IDE for about $80 (after rebates.)

 

[Zrom999]

The GA-8INXP supports uata 133 RAID, so get some uata 133 drives instead. SATA drives are kind of expensive. Someone on this board posted his SATA RAID 0 winbench99 benchmarks so you can take a look at those if you want to see how SATA RAID performs.

 

[vetteguy]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Currently, Serial ATA drives are about $150 apiece for only 36GB of storage. These days you can find a 120GB IDE for about $80 (after rebates.)

For a Raptor, yes, but you can get a 120GB SATA for about $240 I believe. More expensive? Yes, but at least the 36GB isn't the only option.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: vetteguy

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Currently, Serial ATA drives are about $150 apiece for only 36GB of storage. These days you can find a 120GB IDE for about $80 (after rebates.)

For a Raptor, yes, but you can get a 120GB SATA for about $240 I believe. More expensive? Yes, but at least the 36GB isn't the only option.

but the 120gb SATA drive gives no benefit like the raptor does, which is specifically made for SATA and spins at 10k rpm

 

[trak0rr0kart]

if you are going to do raid 0... I would do the striping with the 2 maxtors and have 160 GB total.. with a transfer rate around 100 MB's. That will embarass the raptor for the same money.. plus you will have almost 5 times the storage.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: trak0rr0kart
if you are going to do raid 0... I would do the striping with the 2 maxtors and have 160 GB total.. with a transfer rate around 100 MB's. That will embarass the raptor for the same money.. plus you will have almost 5 times the storage.

u may have twice the storage however you will not embarass the raptors as they as FAST ASS drives and can tear a normal IDE drive apart from the rear HARD

 

[trak0rr0kart]

do you even now what happens when you do striping?? you increase the write rate and read rates. the raptor has about a 60 MB/sec max read and write for $150. With the way I was talking about.. your going to end up with a lot more space and speed for the price because your read and write rates increase to just over 100 MB/sec.

What your talking about is comparing the raptor to a reg ide drive.... which isn't what I was saying at all. 2 maxtor's striped, not just one 1. And of course.. if you took two raptors striped.. you will get even better performance... but at a signifigantly higher cost.

it is just a ide to sata conversion in logic board underneath the raptor.

http://www17.tomshardware.com/storage/20030501/wd360-05.html

"Hullo! What do we have here then? Upon tilting the drive around its transverse axis, our attention is drawn to the only chip located on the underside of the board. This is a Serial ATA Bridge from Marvel, which is currently used in many places in order to make products compatible with the UltraATA interface for Serial ATA. "


Anyways... I hope you see what I am saying now more clearly.. if not.. will someone else help explain it better.

 

[XBoxLPU]

You can't compare two raided hard drives to a single raptor drive

 

[trak0rr0kart]

umm.. I'm talking about price people. He has two maxtors... no raptors. But anyways..it would be cheaper is all I'm saying.

I even said if you took two raptors and but them in a stipe.. then you would get even better performance... but I was trying to save him some money.

ok, I'm done with this post since you guys don't realize what I'm saying.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: trak0rr0kart
umm.. I'm talking about price people. He has two maxtors... no raptors. But anyways..it would be cheaper is all I'm saying.

I even said if you took two raptors and but them in a stipe.. then you would get even better performance... but I was trying to save him some money.

ok, I'm done with this post since you guys don't realize what I'm saying.

we understand what you were saying, but if you were to read his question he is asking about either a striped SATA or a stripped IDE. he obviosly has the money for it and was asking which we preferred.

If i had the money, didnt need the space, and was all for bragging rights, i would get the Raptors. If the drives were to be used in a server box, the raptors would be a lot better suited for that too (depending on the uses) but the difference is negligible, and if you dont feel like spending all of your money stay with your 2 HD's currently

 

[sirfergy]

Actually Seagate makes 80GB SATA drives that you can get for around $150

 

[Insidious]

I have yet to see a post (probably should look harder) where a successful Raid-0 was accomplished while using the IDE adapters on ATA100 or ATA133 hard drives.

If I am wrong that would be a good thing and I would really like to hear about any personal experienced with setting up SATA Raid-0 using

the IDE:SATA adapters on traditional IDE HDs. (I am not interested in regurgitation of some article read 'somewhere' though)

-Sid

 

[trak0rr0kart]

Anyways.. IDE stripes work absolutely fine and you can read all about it on THG (toms hardware guide). the only advantage you will get from using the sata "RAPTOR" in a raid is about 20 MB/sec more then the ata drives in the striped raid. I guess people are used to wasting money on things they don't absolutely need.. so I will say this.. if you want 120 Mb/sec for $300 then go with the sata "RAPTOR" stripe.. if you want 100 MB/sec or so .. for $150 then go with the ide stripe. Either way.. your not going to use that either kind of power unless your doing something with servers or video editing.. something that requires a lot of bandwidth.

Yes, there are plenty of SATA drives that are in a decent price range.. but the drives haven't changed to much.. they just have a chip that converts the signal from uata to sata. When the Raptor came out.. it wasn't the sata that made it faster.. it was the drive being jacked up to 10,000 rpms that made the difference.. you can make it into a "Raptor 36 GB UATA drive" and have the same performance too. all sata is is the interface to the drive. In fact.. the "RAPTOR" IS a UATA drive... WITH.. I chip that converts it into SATA.. The chip is just now a part of the logic board underneath it.

"This is a Serial ATA Bridge from Marvel, which is currently used in many places in order to make products compatible with the UltraATA interface for Serial ATA."

- THG


What else is there to argue... save money.,. get much more space.. have close to the same performance as the striped "RAPTOR" sata.. etc.. A striped SATA "non-RAPTOR" setup would also be good too.

www.tomshardware.com

http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/20020830/ide_raid2-02.html#raid_level_01

 

[SexyK]

Originally posted by: trak0rr0kart
Anyways.. IDE stripes work absolutely fine and you can read all about it on THG (toms hardware guide). the only advantage you will get from using the sata "RAPTOR" in a raid is about 20 MB/sec more then the ata drives in the striped raid. I guess people are used to wasting money on things they don't absolutely need.. so I will say this.. if you want 120 Mb/sec for $300 then go with the sata "RAPTOR" stripe.. if you want 100 MB/sec or so .. for $150 then go with the ide stripe. Either way.. your not going to use that either kind of power unless your doing something with servers or video editing.. something that requires a lot of bandwidth.

Yes, there are plenty of SATA drives that are in a decent price range.. but the drives haven't changed to much.. they just have a chip that converts the signal from uata to sata. When the Raptor came out.. it wasn't the sata that made it faster.. it was the drive being jacked up to 10,000 rpms that made the difference.. you can make it into a "Raptor 36 GB UATA drive" and have the same performance too. all sata is is the interface to the drive. In fact.. the "RAPTOR" IS a UATA drive... WITH.. I chip that converts it into SATA.. The chip is just now a part of the logic board underneath it.

"This is a Serial ATA Bridge from Marvel, which is currently used in many places in order to make products compatible with the UltraATA interface for Serial ATA."

- THG


What else is there to argue... save money.,. get much more space.. have close to the same performance as the striped "RAPTOR" sata.. etc.. A striped SATA "non-RAPTOR" setup would also be good too.

www.tomshardware.com

http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/20020830/ide_raid2-02.html#raid_level_01[/q

Well, the Raptor isn't all about increased bandwidth. Personally, I'm excited to throw one in my new system because of the insane seek times. That will have a much bigger impact on day to day operations speed than the increased bandwidth.

 

[trak0rr0kart]

well.. it just depends on what you need.. or want for bragging rights or whatever. I'm a poor college student so I don't have much money to play with.... So if I was to do a striped anything.. then I would be going out of my budjet anyways just to do a simple uata raid.