SATA II HDD's are out!!

[Gamingphreek]

Here is the first one i have seen...

Link

-Kevin

 

[boomerang]

Now, these would have to be paired up with a chipset that supports 150 Mb/sec to take full advantage of these drives. Am I correct?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Correct Nforce 4 IIRC is the only one that supports SATAII except for Inteles upcoming 925XE. Imagine 2 74gig raptors in RAID 0 with 16mb cache NCQ, and SATAII. BENCHES

-Kevin

 

[boomerang]

The first 10,000 RPM models out, will be in my rig. Oooh, Oooh, Yow!!!!!!

 

[Mojoed]

I can't wait to see the StorageReview reviews.

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: boomerang
Now, these would have to be paired up with a chipset that supports 150 Mb/sec to take full advantage of these drives. Am I correct?

No. What would give you that idea?

Sustained Transfer Rate (Mbytes/sec): 32 to 58

They don't come anywhere near saturating a SATA150 bus.

Not to mention that NewEgg can't even get their story straight.

Seagate 120GB Barracuda 7200RPM SATA II with NCQ Hard Drive, Model ST3120827AS, OEM

Interface: Serial SATA 150

If it was a SATA II drive then it'd be a SATA300 interface. Unless they mean it's an ATA150 compatible interface, but I'm sure they don't list their ATA133 drives as a ATA33 interface (even though they would be considered ATA33 compatible [yes you can argue that I should have said ATA66 but it'd be pointless]).

I also like how they call it Serial Serial ATA. ("Serial SATA 150").......

Thorin

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: boomerang
The first 10,000 RPM models out, will be in my rig. Oooh, Oooh, Yow!!!!!!

Ummmmm Wakey Wakey! 10k RPM SATA Raptors have been out for like 2 years now.

Thorin

 

[Thor86]

20% performance increase? Where do they get these numbers from?

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: thorin

Originally posted by: boomerang
The first 10,000 RPM models out, will be in my rig. Oooh, Oooh, Yow!!!!!!

Ummmmm Wakey Wakey! 10k RPM SATA Raptors have been out for like 2 years now.

Thorin

Not SATA II. Now repeat after me. Read and comprehend.

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Originally posted by: Thor86
20% performance increase? Where do they get these numbers from?

The same people that said RAID-0 will increase performance by ~100%?

 

[Gamingphreek]

SCSI here we come.... I wonder how they will compare... i assume SCSI will still massacre SATA II but none theless, it will be interesting to see results.

-Kevin

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: thorin

Originally posted by: boomerang
The first 10,000 RPM models out, will be in my rig. Oooh, Oooh, Yow!!!!!!

Ummmmm Wakey Wakey! 10k RPM SATA Raptors have been out for like 2 years now.

Thorin

Not SATA II. Now repeat after me. Read and comprehend.

Now re-read my previous posts that I was editing while you replied read and comprehend.

Thorin

 

[Thor86]

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey

Originally posted by: Thor86
20% performance increase? Where do they get these numbers from?

The same people that said RAID-0 will increase performance by ~100%?

Yeah, and nothing beats 15k rpm SCSIs.

 

[JaRb0y]

SATA II has been out, Maxtor's Diamondmax 10 and MaxLine III has NCQ plus 16MB buffers.

DiamondMax10

MaxLine III (PDF)

Storage Review says the MaxLine is the new leader

 

[DrCool]

looks like newegg made a typo

from seagates website:
ST3120827AS Barracuda 7200.7 SATA NCQ 120 GB SATA 1.5Gb/s 7200 RPM 8.5 ms avg DPC
http://www.seagate.com/cda/pro...ail/0,1081,646,00.html

that is not a SATA II hard drive, but a SATA 150 with native NCQ

the new Barracuda 7200.8 will be the ones to get excited about, as they'll feature 16MB onboard cache

 

[JaRb0y]

Originally posted by: thorin

Originally posted by: boomerang
Now, these would have to be paired up with a chipset that supports 150 Mb/sec to take full advantage of these drives. Am I correct?

No. What would give you that idea?

Sustained Transfer Rate (Mbytes/sec): 32 to 58

They don't come anywhere near saturating a SATA150 bus.

Not to mention that NewEgg can't even get their story straight.

Seagate 120GB Barracuda 7200RPM SATA II with NCQ Hard Drive, Model ST3120827AS, OEM

Interface: Serial SATA 150

If it was a SATA II drive then it'd be a SATA300 interface. Unless they mean it's an ATA150 compatible interface, but I'm sure they don't list their ATA133 drives as a ATA33 interface (even though they would be considered ATA33 compatible [yes you can argue that I should have said ATA66 but it'd be pointless]).

I also like how they call it Serial Serial ATA. ("Serial SATA 150").......

Thorin

There's different phases to SATA II, phase one is NCQ and some other stuff, phase two is to reach 300, etc. So they arent totally wrong on labeling it as SATA II, since it does have NCQ.

 

[sharkeeper]

What will this do for the user performance wise?

Nothing! NADA, ZIP!

Hey you with the big ears in the corner there! I got NOTHING for sale!

Cheers!

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: JaRb0y

Originally posted by: thorin

Originally posted by: boomerang
Now, these would have to be paired up with a chipset that supports 150 Mb/sec to take full advantage of these drives. Am I correct?

No. What would give you that idea?

Sustained Transfer Rate (Mbytes/sec): 32 to 58

They don't come anywhere near saturating a SATA150 bus.

Not to mention that NewEgg can't even get their story straight.

Seagate 120GB Barracuda 7200RPM SATA II with NCQ Hard Drive, Model ST3120827AS, OEM

Interface: Serial SATA 150

If it was a SATA II drive then it'd be a SATA300 interface. Unless they mean it's an ATA150 compatible interface, but I'm sure they don't list their ATA133 drives as a ATA33 interface (even though they would be considered ATA33 compatible [yes you can argue that I should have said ATA66 but it'd be pointless]).

I also like how they call it Serial Serial ATA. ("Serial SATA 150").......

Thorin

There's different phases to SATA II, phase one is NCQ and some other stuff, phase two is to reach 300, etc. So they arent totally wrong on labeling it as SATA II, since it does have NCQ.

Yes SATA II includes extensions to the SATA spec which you can see outlined in the whitepapers from July and Oct 2003 here:
http://www.serialata.org/whitepapers.asp
However these are extensions to the original spec thus a SATA drive with NCQ is NOT a SATA II drive. I know where you're coming from but unless it's a full iplementation of the SATA II spec (which would include the new interface) they it can hardly be called SATA II. That'd be kinda like calling a Celeron a P4 just because they have all the same command sets and extensions (even though it's got less cache, etc...)

Anyway I'll attempt to digress now.

Thorin

 

[piasabird]

What good is SATAII The data can not be read and written fast enough to possibly reach the faster Transfer Speed for a hard drive??

Dont get too upset by my statement. I just expect to get some kind of improvement for the investment of new technology. I kind of expected there to be SATA Optical Drives by now and we definitely could get rid of the stupid Floppy Drive as well. They could probably both be run off of USB2.

 

[thorin]

There are already SATA optical drives available however they are few and far between because the interface provides no benefits to the devices.
http://www6.tomshardware.com/s...40709/dvd-sata-01.html

A 52x drive can't even saturate a ATA33 channel let alone a ATA66/ATA100/ATA133/SATA150 channel.

52 x 150KB/sec = 7.8MB/sec
72 x 150KB/Sec = 10.8MB/Sec

You'd need a 220x CDROM drive to saturate a ATA33 channel

Even a 16x DVDROM doesn't do it 16 x ~1.3MB/Sec = ~21MB/Sec

You'd need a 25x DVDROM drive to saturate a ATA33 channel

Having a Optical drive on it's own channel does provide some benefit but most people manage this without needing to switch to SATA at all. With the # of connections current mobos come with, PCI controllers, and the size of HDs today you shouldn't need your Optical drives to share a channel (PATA) with any of your source drives.

Thorin

 

[Thermalrock]

well for harddisks doubling the interfaces bandwidth is always beneficial. 300mb/s means that whats in the hdds cache can be sent twice as fast as with sata. the stuff thats not in the cache wont benefit tho. correct me if im wrong.

 

[sharkeeper]

Bust performance has no impact on real word use.

Cheers!

 

[Arcanedeath]

SATA II's main advantages are more geared to enterprise sector, all drives are now supposed to support hot swaping and SATA II devices can support more than one device per channel w/ a backplane of some type according to the spec or so I've read. The 300MB/S new burst transfer rate isn't really that useful at this point since even the top 15K rpm scsi unit's can't top 95 meg/s sustained transer rates for a single drive but it doesn't hurt anything either.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well i have a question then... why are SCSI drives so much faster. Like why does a 10K RPM SCSI beat a Raptor?

-Kevin

 

[wfn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well i have a question then... why are SCSI drives so much faster. Like why does a 10K RPM SCSI beat a Raptor?

-Kevin

that is a very broad statement. there are 10krpm scsi drives out there that will perform better than a raptor in certain situations and there are some that raptor will best. overall, the current generation 10k scsi offerings from maxtor, fujitsu (havent shipped yet) and seagate (havent shipped yet) will outperform raptors both for desktop and even more so for server usage. 10KRPM SCSI technology has been evolving since late 1996 and some manufacturers are on their 7th generation 10K SCSI knowhow already.

that being said i personally do not see anything exciting happening in the hard-drive market on the ATA side. would would make me happier though is some competition for WD on the 10K front and larger cap. drives. in the SCSI segment the best things are yet to come. New Seagate and Fujitsu 15K drives look rather good what with their 3.3ms seek time and near 100MB/s sustained transfer rate (though we all know it doesn't mean all that much)..

the bottom line i want my 15k scsipenis now

them fuji mas3367's are not gonna replace themselves