SARS. I don't buy it.

Alphathree33

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Why is there so much fear surrounding this disease?

In this world, we can't even distinguish between British Tornado jets and Iraqi Scuds with the most sophisticated radar equipment available (not to mention that one would hope that a few dollars of the Pentagon's quarter trillion dollar budget would be spent paying some guy to keep track of where allied planes were flying). We also have doctors giving patients the wrong organ transplants and courts executing people who are later found to be completeley innocent.

But at the same time, everyone I've talked to seems to think that it's perfectly likely that the governments of Canada, The United States, China, Singapore, etc. have magically been able to agree on the symptoms of this disease and train all of their doctors and, indeed, the average joe or jane on the street, to identify SARS. Not only that, but they've set up a wonderful system by which they have an accurate worldwide count of the number of people with the disease, where they are, which of them have died, and who they were in contact with. Yeah, right.

Officials at the CDC in the United States claim they're "not at that stage yet" when asked about quarantining SARS patients. Not at that stage yet? They're not at any stage yet. All of a dozen people in the entire country are likely to have it. This isn't a stage. It isn't a phase. It's nothing. Let's make a news story about the number of people who stub their toes on a leg of their kitchen table shooting up by 1.75%.

Assuming for a second that this international, worldwide SARS statistics reporting system is working correctly, the United States has only a handful of cases. Worldwide, 78 out of 2,220 people infected have died. How many millions have AIDS in Africa? And what about in the United States? The fact is that people know about AIDS, they know what causes it, they know how to prevent it. We're driven by our usual fear of the unknown, and the news media is milking that for everything it's worth.

Yes, I suppose if I worked in a hospital I'd probably be wearing a mask. Then again, if I worked in a hospital I'd probably be wearing a mask. It is a hospital after all. Sick people do visit hospitals from time to time. The evidence shows that SARS is spread only between family members and through other forms of close contact. Sure, there is that chance that you will run into someone infected with SARS roaming around the streets. (About a 0.00022% chance if we figure 2200 cases out of six billion people) and there is a chance that at that exact moment they will cough. And there is a chance that you will catch SARS from that cough. And yes, I would be very, very worried about that possibility.

I'm also very concerned that a major asteroid will destroy the city in which I'm currently living. As such I'm wearing a hard hat when I'm on the street from now on. Since a major asteroid hits the planet every 100,000 years or so, there's a chance one will land on me tomorrow.
 

Fausto

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In a nutshell: it's a big deal even in small numbers because it hasn't responded to treatment thus far. If you can't cure it, and it's easily transmitted, it's potentially an epidemic even with its relatively low lethality. Think of it as a cold (in terms of transmission) that might kill you. Can we treat/cure colds? Nope.
 

manuelku

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wonder will you be in the fear if AIDS can be transmit via air.. I think SARS is quite some serious sh*t... especially my parents are in hk :(
 

cnwk64

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Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Why is there so much fear surrounding this disease?

Assuming for a second that this international, worldwide SARS statistics reporting system is working correctly, the United States has only a handful of cases. Worldwide, 78 out of 2,220 people infected have died. How many millions have AIDS in Africa? And what about in the United States? The fact is that people know about AIDS, they know what causes it, they know how to prevent it. We're driven by our usual fear of the unknown, and the news media is milking that for everything it's worth.

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All the hype for SARS, is due to we don't know anything about the virus, it is new, never before seen virus.
And no one can certain that only close contact with SARS will make you sick,
take example in HK's Amoy Gardens, out of entire building block 185 possible case with 64 comfirm. News here

I don't think all of those 185 people have close contact with SARS...
It the virus is travel via air, it could be much worse, other news site said the virus can stay in humen weast for number of days.
 

KK

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Originally posted by: Fausto1
In a nutshell: it's a big deal even in small numbers because it hasn't responded to treatment thus far. If you can't cure it, and it's easily transmitted, it's potentially an epidemic even with its relatively low lethality. Think of it as a cold (in terms of transmission) that might kill you. Can we treat/cure colds? Nope.

So why haven't you found a cure for it yet? You do work for the CDC, don't you. I guess you won't getting a bonus. :)


KK
 

KC5AV

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I'm telling you, it's a biological attack from Iraq. We're all DOOMED.

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Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: Fausto1
In a nutshell: it's a big deal even in small numbers because it hasn't responded to treatment thus far. If you can't cure it, and it's easily transmitted, it's potentially an epidemic even with its relatively low lethality. Think of it as a cold (in terms of transmission) that might kill you. Can we treat/cure colds? Nope.
More like pneumonia. Not as lethal though. SARS hasn't killed as many, but why take chances with a serious and easily transmitted illness?

Better to over-react than sitting around passively, hoping it will go away.

 

glugglug

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I agree with Alphathree.

The mortality rate of tuberculosis & # of people infected are both far more than SARS. Why isn't there such a fear of that?...
 

spanky

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Originally posted by: glugglug
I agree with Alphathree.

The mortality rate of tuberculosis & # of people infected are both far more than SARS. Why isn't there such a fear of that?...

has it spread as quickly as SARS? is it as contagious as SARS? btw, i'm asking for real... not trying to be a jackass :p
 

SaltBoy

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Originally posted by: cnwk64
It the virus is travel via air, it could be much worse, other news site said the virus can stay in humen weast for number of days.
WTH is humen weast?! :confused:

 

spanky

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Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Originally posted by: cnwk64
It the virus is travel via air, it could be much worse, other news site said the virus can stay in humen weast for number of days.
WTH is humen weast?! :confused:

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Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: spankyOO7
Originally posted by: glugglug
I agree with Alphathree.

The mortality rate of tuberculosis & # of people infected are both far more than SARS. Why isn't there such a fear of that?...

has it spread as quickly as SARS? is it as contagious as SARS? btw, i'm asking for real... not trying to be a jackass :p
Tuberculosis is highly contagious and there are strains out there (mostly in Russia) that have no known treatment and are 100% fatal.

It is one of the most nasty respiratory diseases out there.

 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Fausto1
In a nutshell: it's a big deal even in small numbers because it hasn't responded to treatment thus far. If you can't cure it, and it's easily transmitted, it's potentially an epidemic even with its relatively low lethality. Think of it as a cold (in terms of transmission) that might kill you. Can we treat/cure colds? Nope.

So why haven't you found a cure for it yet? You do work for the CDC, don't you. I guess you won't getting a bonus. :)


KK
I'm a bacteriologist, not a virologist...sorry. ;)

More like pneumonia. Not as lethal though. SARS hasn't killed as many, but why take chances with a serious and easily transmitted illness?

Better to over-react than sitting around passively, hoping it will go away.
Latest news is that its a new type of coronavirus, so actually not really like pneumonia since that's bacterial (pneumococcus), although the end result of massive inflammation and damage to the lungs is pretty similar.

Again, any time something isn't treatable and is highly contagious, it is reason for worry. Tuberculosis was mentioned, and these new strains of TB are certainly worrisome, but it's not quite as easily transmitted as you might think. To get it, you have to inhale it in aerosolized form (ideally, just a few bugs per droplet) and get it way down in your lungs for it to have a decent chance of taking hold. A virus like this on the other hand, merely needs contact with any mucous membrane to have a chance of infecting you. Also, because of the nature of virii, they are always harder to treat than a bacterial infection.

Note: my previous job was working with drug-resistant TB. ;)

 
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Alpha you dont know much about the potential for this to be a problem apparently.

SARS is a big deal because it is a new virus. The fact that its new has several implications: 1) no one has a natural immunization to it 2) doctors dont know how to treat it 3) we have no drugs that specifically target it.

More to the point, it seems to spread fairly easily. Imagine it getting into an airplane. Say 50 of 200 people are infected. Theoretically, each of those 50 people are going to different parts of LA. All of a sudden, you could potentially have 500 people in LA infected with a disease that doctors cannot treat.

Thats a big deal, and thats what we are trying to prevent.


 

Atrail

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It is very likely that we will have a global epidemic during our lifetime.
We are over due....
 

eviltoon

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It is very likely that we will have a global epidemic during our lifetime.

I just read that the infuenza epidemic of 1918 (which I knew nothing about) killed some 20 million people. I've heard of the black plague but lord we never talked about this 1918 flu bug in school. Nature does have its way though. SCARS is frightening because it's young and new. Maybe we'll stop it, maybe it'll run its course...maybe it's just begining. We'll find out soon enough.
 

Aquaman

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I've had SARS for over 35 years............ Severely Anal Retentive Sisters........... nothing new.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Bulk Beef

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I'm a bacteriologist, not a virologist...sorry.
WTF good are you?? :p

My sister has managed to book reservations for her and my nieces to fly back from HK tonight. I may quarantine them myself.

All that duct tape and plastic sheet might come in handy after all.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: sward666
I'm a bacteriologist, not a virologist...sorry.
WTF good are you?? :p
I have a huge....er.....bunsen burner? :p

My sister has managed to book reservations for her and my nieces to fly back from HK tonight. I may quarantine them myself.

All that duct tape and plastic sheet might come in handy after all.
Hmm....better avoid close contact with them until you're sure she's clean. Hope that won't be too difficult for you. ;)

 

Bulk Beef

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Hmm....better avoid close contact with them until you're sure she's clean. Hope that won't be too difficult for you.
Wait... that's some kind of weird incestual inuendo, right?
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: sward666
Hmm....better avoid close contact with them until you're sure she's clean. Hope that won't be too difficult for you.
Wait... that's some kind of weird incestual inuendo, right?
Damn.........you're good. You're like the president of your local MENSA chapter and stuff, right? :p
 

RU482

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Did the guy that started this thread also start the "here's why we won't invade Iraq" thread a few weeks ago?