SARCASM: Biden is losing Iraq—embassy evacuated!

[UNCjigga]

Conservatives are queuing up some of their Greatest Hits ahead of the midterms…well, only some of them…they don’t wanna talk about emails for some reason.

But remember when KILLARY lost the US Embassy in Benghazi and LIED about it????

Remember when BRANDON single handedly lost Afghanistan [after adhering to Trump’s withdrawal plan negotiated by the bestest negotiators?]

Well, I’ll have you know that BRANDON is at it again, secretly evacuating the US embassy in Baghdad via helicopter as we’re on the verge of LOSING in Iraq [huh??]

Of COURSE the DEMONRATS are LYING about it AS USUAL!!!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1564265453689634817

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1564285189496475650

https://twitter.com/jengriffinfnc/status/1564280362922016769

And now for the real story and what prompted the Shia vs. Shia violence…

At least 10 killed in clashes in Baghdad's Green Zone after powerful cleric announces withdrawal from politics | CNN

At least 10 people were killed and more than 200 injured in violent clashes that erupted in Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone on Monday, following an announcement by powerful Iraqi Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr that he was withdrawing from political life, medical sources told CNN.

www.cnn.com

 

[Lezunto]

Do I really have to go and dig out old blogs on the Iraq War and why removing Saddam was not the panacea for terrorism Dubya and Bibi fans thought it would be?

The Sunni are the minority in Iraq and they kept the majority Shia underfoot for decades. Once the U.S. smashed Saddam's Ba'athist Party, overthrew, then hung him, the Shia flexed their power and began dominating Iraq.

It was Saddam who kept most of the sectarian violence in Iraq in check. The same way Josef Broz Tito kept a tight lid on ethnic rivalries in the Balkans. Once both men left the earthy scene, all hell broke loose.

 

[Stokely]

Never should have been in Iraq in the first place. I blame cowardly Democrats back then almost as much as the lying warmongering Bush administration for not daring to step in front of the bloodlust train. GWB should have been jailed or worse afterward for killing up to a million people--not that he masterminded anything, but the buck stops there.

 

[senseamp]

Biden?

 

[Roger Wilco]

Looks intense.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1564341571289600000

 

[K1052]

I'm not sure how much sway Joe personally has in internal Shia politics.

 

[Bitek]

Well, pulling ppl out temporarily due to internal conflict is one thing, if we completely abandon our embassy permanently, then Biden will have to answer to that

 

[JimKiler]

Biden?

No, he wrote Brandon.

 

[Lezunto]

The U.S. has no business in Iraq. Period. This was bound to happen. You cannot order individuals overseas to install a type of government you like but they don't.

 

[K1052]

Well, pulling ppl out temporarily due to internal conflict is one thing, if we completely abandon our embassy permanently, then Biden will have to answer to that

al-Sadar bowing out of politics is just an enormous deal and this is going to take a bit to shake out.

CENTCOM says there is no general evacuation of the embassy or US facilities.

 

[senseamp]

What does it have to do with Biden?

 

[Lezunto]

al-Sadar bowing out of politics is just an enormous deal and this is going to take a bit to shake out.

CENTCOM says there is no general evacuation of the embassy or US facilities.

I was wondering what UNCjigga was going on about. I have not seen anything on the wires akin to what he is claiming.

Powerful Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr did quit politics over his frustrations over naming a national leader and a new government. But this guy UNCjigga appears to mixing up an Iraqi government palace with the U.S. Embassy.

No one is being evacuated from the U.S. Embassy in Iraq, according to news wires. Some people just hope Americans who are overseas die so they can blame politicians they don't support.

 

[K1052]

I was wondering what UNCjigga was going on about. I have not seen anything on the wires akin to what he is claiming.

Powerful Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr did quit politics over his frustrations over naming a national leader and a new government. But this guy UNCjigga appears to mixing up an Iraqi government palace with the U.S. Embassy.

No one is being evacuated from the U.S. Embassy in Iraq, according to news wires. Some people just hope Americans who are overseas die so they can blame politicians they don't support.

He was being sarcastic.

 

[Lezunto]

Well, one news wire service has apparently heard such rumors and put out a story:

U.S. calls for peace in Baghdad, says embassy not under threat - UPI.com

U.S. officials are calling for peace and dialogue amid reports of "disturbing" violence in Baghdad's Green Zone on Monday after Iraqi Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr announced his withdrawal from political life.

www.upi.com

 

[Jaskalas]

The people in that region have a splintered society that needs to be reshaped under national rule. And that can take centuries. We ended their progress in 2003.
Iraq will likely descend into tribal chaos without a strong military dictator to keep a lid on it.
The sort of governments we install overseas belie the human condition and expected behaviors. We do not allow them to have the teeth necessary to maintain peace and stability. We model them in our own image and they will always fail. We invite weakness.

 

[kage69]

Muqtada al-Sadr walked and his followers are fighting security forces in the Green Zone.

That doesn't sound good.

 

[nickqt]

A better title for this thread is, "liberals were right all along".

 

[amenx]

For all intents and purposes, Iraq is now an extension of Iran. Thanks to Dumbyas lack of understanding of the sects, alliances, rivalries and dynamics of the region when he invaded Iraq and overthrew Saddam. Saddam was weak and could no longer wage any wars, but had just enough strength to keep the country together and to not fall under Irans influence. A $ trillion lost on the misadventure, million lives lost and the worst outcome now realized.

 

[RnR_au]

Muqtada al-Sadr walked and his followers are fighting security forces in the Green Zone.

But why did his followers fight?

I don't understand. A political leader retires, his followers should be giving him the thumbsup and sort out who is their next leader. Rather than storming the green zone for uncertain reasons.

 

[Lezunto]

Frustration.

 

[NostaSeronx]

But why did his followers fight?

I don't understand. A political leader retires, his followers should be giving him the thumbsup and sort out who is their next leader. Rather than storming the green zone for uncertain reasons.

Sadr is a military leader. His followers are likely part of his militia.

Think Trump + Oathkeepers but way smarter(in intelligence, they've been doing this actively for awhile) and way more loyal(2003-present)... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If nothing is done, regardless it is either Iran-like government or Iran-led government.

 

[skyking]

Thread title is typical, like the US owned it in the first place. That kind of thinking has fucked up the world for a century now.

 

[IronWing]

The people in that region have a splintered society that needs to be reshaped under national rule. And that can take centuries. We ended their progress in 2003.
Iraq will likely descend into tribal chaos without a strong military dictator to keep a lid on it.
The sort of governments we install overseas belie the human condition and expected behaviors. We do not allow them to have the teeth necessary to maintain peace and stability. We model them in our own image and they will always fail. We invite weakness.

For all intents and purposes, Iraq is now an extension of Iran. Thanks to Dumbyas lack of understanding of the sects, alliances, rivalries and dynamics of the region when he invaded Iraq and overthrew Saddam. Saddam was weak and could no longer wage any wars, but had just enough strength to keep the country together and to not fall under Irans influence. A $ trillion lost on the misadventure, million lives lost and the worst outcome now realized.

This is what happens when foreign powers draw borders on a map with no regard to the people who have to live with them. "Iraq" was created by French and British amateurs screwing around at the Versailles peace conference. Sykes and Picot were the ultimate expression of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

 

[UNCjigga]

Thanks mod for the SARCASM title update—didn’t think it was needed with my first paragraph but oh well. My point was to show how conservatives would latch on to anything and everything they can spin as a failure of Biden’s leadership. I don’t recall Biden standing on a carrier declaring “Mission Accomplished” but whatever.

Back to the topic at hand—the Al-Sadr sect would rather have a failed state and civil war than compromise to form a majority government with either the Iran-backed Shia elements or the Sunni minority elements. Blood feuds run deep. Welcome to Middle East Politics 101.

 

[Captante]

The U.S. has no business in Iraq. Period. This was bound to happen. You cannot order individuals overseas to install a type of government you like but they don't.

Amen.... sorry to sound a bit "cold" but if the Iraqis want to kill each other over ignorant superstitious nonsense I say let them have at it and "solve" their own political problems.

Taking out Saddam was something Bush Sr should have followed through with in the first gulf-war BUT then Iraq should have been left alone to figure things out. (not like it would have likely ended up any worse then the chaos we have in Iraq now!)