Sarah Palin - America's Enduring Strength (in HD)

[nyker96]

Sarah Palin - America's Enduring Strength (in HD)

A video statement from Gov. Palin in response to the recent events surrounding the terrible atrocities committed in Tucson, Arizona and the charges of "blame" that followed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdPVZFs8Ua4

 

[Throckmorton]

Palin's video is a non sequitur. She's asking, "When was political debate less heated? Back in those calm days when political figures literally settled their differences with dueling pistols?"

No one says political debate shouldn't be heated... but that there shouldn't be hatemongering and violent rhetoric.

 

[Bowfinger]

If Palin had any integrity, she would have said that although she had no intention of suggesting violence with her cross-hair map, in retrospect she recognizes it was ill-conceived and is sorry. Instead, we got the same tired deflections and denial. (And the fact Democrats did it too doesn't make it any better. It was inappropriate then and inappropriate now.)

 

[Infohawk]

Sarah Palin has nothing to do with AZ. It's be a different story if the perp was a Palin fan but he wasn't. He had his own fringe beliefs. Not sure why people are attacking her for this or why she needs to make a statement about it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Sarah Palin has nothing to do with AZ. It's be a different story if the perp was a Palin fan but he wasn't. He had his own fringe beliefs. Not sure why people are attacking her for this or why she needs to make a statement about it.

Giffords was one of the targets on Palin's map.

That said, I think those on the left who have been so quick to blame Palin, the Tea party, or the right in general for this tragedy are jumping to partisan conclusions. So are those on the right who insist they had no influence on this lunatic. The simple fact is we don't know whether political rhetoric was a factor or not. That's one of the reasons I stayed out of those threads. All we have right now are speculation and accusation.

 

[JSt0rm]

Sarah Palin has nothing to do with AZ. It's be a different story if the perp was a Palin fan but he wasn't. He had his own fringe beliefs. Not sure why people are attacking her for this or why she needs to make a statement about it.

has that been reported? I haven't seen anything one way or the other about his liking or disliking of the teaparty movement and palin/beck. Admitedly I havent been looking very hard but if you could provide those links for me so I can read about it now it would be appreciated.

 

[werepossum]

Giffords was one of the targets on Palin's map.

That said, I think those on the left who have been so quick to blame Palin, the Tea party, or the right in general for this tragedy are jumping to partisan conclusions. So are those on the right who insist they had no influence on this lunatic. The simple fact is we don't know whether political rhetoric was a factor or not. That's one of the reasons I stayed out of those threads. All we have right now are speculation and accusation.

We have quite a lot of comments from his friends, who describe him either as left wing or as apolitical. A couple of people have specifically said he hated TV, news, and politics. He registered as an independent (the left's fraudulent forged registration card notwithstanding) and then did not vote in 2008, possibly our most polarizing post-war election yet. And his quarrel with Giffords predated the Tea Party as a national movement, being from 2007. I think we have enough to say with certainty that Palin, the Tea Party, or the right in general had no measurable influence on this young man. Considering that his target was a pro-illegal immigration Congresswoman who voted for Obamacare, it's safe to say that the left had no measurable influence on him either.

You make a good point though about targets. Any politician who identifies targeted politicians with scope cross hairs, or targets, or other symbolism or words connoting violence is merely asking to be unfairly attacked by the other side as promoting violence.

 

[cyclohexane]

Sarah Palin has nothing to do with AZ. It's be a different story if the perp was a Palin fan but he wasn't. He had his own fringe beliefs. Not sure why people are attacking her for this or why she needs to make a statement about it.

maybe so. But hijacking the news on the day of a funeral, and acting like she's been wronged by everyone in the world is a douche bag move.

 

[Harvey]

By definition, political leaders and wannabes are trying to get people to follow their lead and act on their words. Regardless of whether there is any direct causal relationship between calls to armed action in public speech and a given horrific crime committed by some whack job, when high profile political personalities like Palin spew constant rhetorical references to armed action, like maps with rifle sites over those she perceives as enemies and calls such as, "Don't retreat. Just reload." and Sharron Angel is exhorting her followers to use "Second Amendment remedies" if election results don't please them, it should come as no suprise when some detached jackass is inspired to act out on such public speech.

No one has accused Palin of directly causing this particular lunatic to try to assassinate Giffords or shoot up her gathering. She's just playing the part of the attention whore she is, trying to grab some self glorification from someone else's tragedy. :thumbsdown:

 

[Infohawk]

Giffords was one of the targets on Palin's map.

Who cares? What is your evidence that that was relevant to the perp?

 

[Infohawk]

has that been reported? I haven't seen anything one way or the other about his liking or disliking of the teaparty movement and palin/beck. Admitedly I havent been looking very hard but if you could provide those links for me so I can read about it now it would be appreciated.

First of all, if it hadn't been reported, it would still be on you to show that Loughner was motivated by Palin.

Second of all, look at Wikipedia. His known views and past political registrations are on there. Sorry but there's no evidence he was a fan of Beck, Limbaugh, Palin or the Republican party.

 

[Infohawk]

No one has accused Palin of directly causing this particular lunatic to try to assassinate Giffords or shoot up her gathering.

Oh come on you know very well that's what a lot of people are suggesting if not right out saying. This article sums up just some of accusations nicely:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/t...-party-and-republicans-for-murder-in-arizona/

And that doesn't include any of the rabid partisans on the net that are happy to blame Palin too.

I'm no fan of Palin. I think she's an idiot. But it's pretty obvious that her opponents and critics dragged her into this mess to begin with and now she's trying to do damage control. I don't blame for defending herself.

 

[Lemon law]

Even as a liberal and a Palin critic, its fruitless to blame Palin here. That shoe will not quite fit. But I can laugh and chuckle as Palin stupidity manages to get her in deeper doo doo over her ill chosen word of "blood lust."

Palin as America's enduring strength just somehow goes over like a lead balloon when applied to a buffoon. That enduring strength contention is many many bridges way way too far.

 

[Bowfinger]

Who cares? What is your evidence that that was relevant to the perp?

Have you become reading impaired? I simply answered YOUR question. If you read my response you'll find I clearly said we don't yet know whether political rhetoric was a factor in this tragedy.

 

[trenchfoot]

Sarah Palin cares about Sarah Palin, and only Sarah Palin. She quit her job as governor for that reason.

She's responding to her critics in a specific way for that reason. Her continued reference to firearms in her rhetoric (well, up to now) is for that reason. Her every waking moment, whether conciously, in daydreaming, fantasizing or nightmaring is focused on herself and her aspirations.

Everyone that supports her is either merely a tool that she can use to forward her personal agenda, or an opportunist looking for crumbs that fall off her well-ladened dining table.

Does anybody on the face of this good earth actually believe she's doing what she's doing for the good of the Country? Really?

 

[Bateluer]

Back in those calm days when political figures literally settled their differences with dueling pistols?"

Man, do you have any idea how many idiotic politicians we could get rid of with this process?

 

[Harvey]

Oh come on you know very well that's what a lot of people are suggesting if not right out saying.

You don't know anything about what I "know very well." If you're taking it that way, it's you seeing what you want to see, not what's happening.

This article sums up just some of accusations nicely:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/t...-party-and-republicans-for-murder-in-arizona/

That's not an article. That's one jackass Brit blogger's opinion, and he's as wrong as you are. For all of his fear mongering, he doesn't manage to include one concrete example of anyone stating that Palin's words were a direct cause of the shooting.

And that doesn't include any of the rabid partisans on the net that are happy to blame Palin too.

And they're all as qualified as authorities as the Brit blogger and you.

I'm no fan of Palin. I think she's an idiot.

Now that we've established that you have at least some common sense, try using it to sort facts from fulmination.

But it's pretty obvious that her opponents and critics dragged her into this mess to begin with and now she's trying to do damage control. I don't blame for defending herself.

The only thing that's pretty obvious is that Palin is a pathetic attention whore who is trying to hijack a national tragedy to pimp her own creds among her idiot followers.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Well, you reap what you sow...sorry Palin but you've been sowing hatred and fear for decades. I have zero sympathy for her perceived plight.

 

[Infohawk]

Harvey, your intellectual dishonesty is clear here. Who cares if it's a Brit? Do you deny the people listed in the blog said what they said? Do you really deny that people are trying to blame Palin and the right-wing talk shows to the killings? Are you oblivious to the national discussion that's taking place?

And shut up with your weasel "direct cause" nonsense. That's not the discussion. Nobody's claiming that she called up Loughner and told him to go to the supermarket when he did. You know that. Not sure why you'd thought you could slip that straw man by. The discussion is whether her rhetoric is linked to the killings. It's pretty obvious she's been on the defensive and is speaking out now. She's a politician considering running for president. Do you really think she's going to not get into the discussion and defend herself? Please.

It's life if I called you an "idiotic asshole" here and then claimed you were hijacking the thread if you dared to respond and defend yourself.

 

[Infohawk]

sorry Palin but you've been sowing hatred and fear for decades.

Your post is a great example of the anti-Palin hysteria. She's only been in the national spotlight since the last election. Do you think she had any impact on Arizona as a mayor or even a governor of Alaska?

Hey maybe we should blame Hitler for the crimes of inner-city gangs. I mean he incited hate right? That's about the same connection as Sarah Palin has with this. I mean we all know Sarah Palin's platform is based on faked moon landings and the brainwashing of people with grammar.

 

[hal2kilo]

If Palin had any integrity, she would have said that although she had no intention of suggesting violence with her cross-hair map, in retrospect she recognizes it was ill-conceived and is sorry. Instead, we got the same tired deflections and denial. (And the fact Democrats did it too doesn't make it any better. It was inappropriate then and inappropriate now.)

She has no reverse, it's all attack and media victimhood.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Your post is a great example of the anti-Palin hysteria. She's only been in the national spotlight since the last election. Do you think she had any impact on Arizona as a mayor or even a governor of Alaska?

Hey maybe we should blame Hitler for the crimes of inner-city gangs. I mean he incited hate right? That's about the same connection as Sarah Palin has with this. I mean we all know Sarah Palin's platform is based on faked moon landings and the brainwashing of people with grammar.

Well, decades was perhaps a little bit of an exaggeration on my part...I was thinking more of those who inspired her, like rush limbo and his ilk. I'm sure you'll pardon me though.

BTW-I've had anti-Palin hysteria ever since I first heard her speak during the 2008 election...maybe it just feels like decades. Unlike fine wine she sure isn't getting any better as time goes by.

 

[trenchfoot]

Man, do you have any idea how many idiotic politicians we could get rid of with this process?

None, actually. Even if they tried to shoot themselves in the head, they'd miss, judging by their lack of productivity while in office.

 

[sportage]

(And the fact Democrats did it too doesn't make it any better. It was inappropriate then and inappropriate now.)[/QUOTE

That is not so.
One democrat politician mentioned on Fox news that he had a similar map back in the 1970's.
That was questionable, since he was playing up to fox news.
And in the 1970's we hardly had the internet and mass access.
No one even knew of his map, if there was one, until he mentioned it
some 40 years later on fox...

As to Sarah... If she is so innocent, why did she remove her map from her website the very hour the shootings took place? She knew the reference she implied, and she knew she had been busted. She can squirm but she can't hide.
In any event, this will become the final act of her career seeking fame.
People of her nature eventually self destruct.
But I don't blame her in the end. She just did what too many people do with their 15 minutes of fame. Make as much money off it as they can.
In the end, I still blame John McCain. He was the one that dug her out of a hole, dusted her off, thinking he could pull off a fast one.
Remember how the media praised his pick and insite back then? And look at their outcome, both his and hers...

 

[hal2kilo]

(And the fact Democrats did it too doesn't make it any better. It was inappropriate then and inappropriate now.)[/QUOTE

That is not so.
One democrat politician mentioned on Fox news that he had a similar map back in the 1970's.
That was questionable, since he was playing up to fox news.
And in the 1970's we hardly had the internet and mass access.
No one even knew of his map, if there was one, until he mentioned it
some 40 years later on fox...

As to Sarah... If she is so innocent, why did she remove her map from her website the very hour the shootings took place? She knew the reference she implied, and she knew she had been busted. She can squirm but she can't hide.
In any event, this will become the final act of her career seeking fame.
People of her nature eventually self destruct.
But I don't blame her in the end. She just did what too many people do with their 15 minutes of fame. Make as much money off it as they can.
In the end, I still blame John McCain. He was the one that dug her out of a hole, dusted her off, thinking he could pull off a fast one.
Remember how the media praised his pick and insite back then? And look at their outcome, both his and hers...

Probably a blue dog DINO knowing Faux.