Santorum doesn't believe the Pope is infallible

[Throckmorton]

http://www.redstate.com/rjsantorum/...tossed-by-the-winds-of-political-correctness/

Of all the GOP candidates, I am the only one who has not bowed, and will never bow, to this liberal orthodoxy. I did not pander when global warming seemed cool to the press and to Hollywood. We know that climate changes over time, that he earth warms and cools over time. This debate is about whether human activity plays a role, and whether U.S. emissions cuts can have any effect when China and India refuse to go along. The apostles of this pseudo-religion believe that America and its people are the source of the earth’s temperature. I do not.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1104646.htm

"I hope that all members of the international community can agree on a responsible, credible and supportive response to this worrisome and complex phenomenon, keeping in mind the needs of the poorest populations and of future generations," the pope said.

 

[Anarchist420]

I really think Santorum just wasn't thinking when he said that, just like the Pope probably wasn't thinking when he said there needed to be a one world bank (assuming he cares about the poor).

 

[MovingTarget]

Santorum gives Catholics a bad name in the US. Watching him pander to the Tea Party crowd is downright embarrassing to me as a Catholic.

 

[PokerGuy]

How are the two statements at odds? The pope says it's a worrysome and complex phenomenon. And?

 

[Fenixgoon]

IIRC, the pope's infallibility applies to matters of faith (dogma), not scientific, economic, and ecological policy.

troll bait is troll bait (and yes, having responded to this post, i am in fact feeding the troll and fueling the flames)

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I find it interesting that Santorum has said that JFK's comments about not allowing his faith to control his decisions as President made him want to vomit, in light of the way he picks and chooses from Catholic dogma. It seems to me one could reasonably ask whether, if he were elected President, he would immediately commute the death sentences of all Federal death row inmates, and if not, why not. Clearly the Pope would say they should be commuted.

 

[Jaepheth]

He's just trying to make his declared faith go in easier with his target audience...

So you could say that Santorum is a mixture of Pope and lube.
:sneaky:

 

[Kadarin]

The Pope, per Catholic dogma/tradition, is only "infallible" under certain circumstances. Wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

 

[cybrsage]

How are the two statements at odds? The pope says it's a worrysome and complex phenomenon. And?

And Throck needed to find a way to say Santorum, who is a Catholic, is evil due to saying the Pope, who is also Catholic, is not infallable.

What he does not realize is that the Catholic Church does not consider the Pope infallable in everything he says, so all he is doing is showing his own ignorance.


EDIT: Kadarin beat me to it.

 

[woolfe9999]

How are the two statements at odds? The pope says it's a worrysome and complex phenomenon. And?

The current pope does believe in AGW. He has initiated an effort to make the Vatican the first "carbon neutral state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_neutrality

 

[cybrsage]

The current pope does believe in AGW. He has initiated an effort to make the Vatican the first "carbon neutral state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_neutrality

He also believes Mary never sinned...

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

He also believes Mary never sinned...

So does Senator Santorum.

I think my death penalty question, above, is a fair one. I don't see how Santorum could, based on his own statements, justify allowing people to be executed any more than he could fail to take available measures to curtail abortion.

 

[woolfe9999]

He also believes Mary never sinned...

I'm not posing him as an authority on climatology. Read the OP and Pokerguy's response to it.

 

[CycloWizard]

I've never heard anyone say that they believe that the pope is infallible. You're really grasping here.

 

[nageov3t]

The current pope does believe in AGW. He has initiated an effort to make the Vatican the first "carbon neutral state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_neutrality

he's also pro-immigration, anti-war, and in favor of universal healthcare.

even in Vatican City, I doubt you'll find a person who follows every single belief and tradition of the church down to the letter.

 

[jackschmittusa]

CycloWizard

Unclear whether you've never heard of "Papal Infallibility", or are mentioning that it does not apply without bounds.

 

[cybrsage]

I'm not posing him as an authority on climatology. Read the OP and Pokerguy's response to it.

Ah, gotcha. My bad.

urelynonsexualmanhug:

 

[cybrsage]

So does Senator Santorum.

I think my death penalty question, above, is a fair one. I don't see how Santorum could, based on his own statements, justify allowing people to be executed any more than he could fail to take available measures to curtail abortion.

I would think he would have to at least change their sentence to life in prison (can a President do that?). He can commute their sentences to time served, though, like you said.

To be honest to his religion (which most people are not - but I believe he is), he would have to do it.

 

[fskimospy]

Guys, the pope is not always infallible, even according to Catholic dogma. He's only infallible in very specific circumstances, and he basically comes out and says "I'm going to invoke papal infallibility about this thing".

Sure it's still silly, but it's not like Catholics believe the pope is never wrong.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I would think he would have to at least change their sentence to life in prison (can a President do that?). He can commute their sentences to time served, though, like you said.

To be honest to his religion (which most people are not - but I believe he is), he would have to do it.

Yes, the President could commute their death sentences to life. That was what I was contemplating.

 

[ichy]

So does Senator Santorum.

I think my death penalty question, above, is a fair one. I don't see how Santorum could, based on his own statements, justify allowing people to be executed any more than he could fail to take available measures to curtail abortion.

I'd suggest reading up on the church's position on the death penalty. While they do oppose it their opposition isn't nearly as clear-cut as it is to abortion. The church's view is that the DP is theoretically permissible if it serves to protect society, but in their opinion there is no current need for it. Catholics may disagree with the church's position though, unlike on abortion where they've made it clear there is no room for debate.

 

[cybrsage]

Yes, the President could commute their death sentences to life. That was what I was contemplating.

I think he would have to do this. IF (big if) he wins the nomination, he can gain a LOT of liberal votes by saying he will do this. He will not lose any additional conservative votes due to it, since most who already support him feel Obama is the far greater evil.

It would be interesting, the moral dilema faced by people who are strongly against the death penalty (by that, I mean the actual activists) having to decide to vote for Santorum to get what they have been fighting for...but voting for Santorum includes all the other issues they most likely disagree with him on. Would be an interesting thing to see...not that I want to see it.

 

[CycloWizard]

CycloWizard

Unclear whether you've never heard of "Papal Infallibility", or are mentioning that it does not apply without bounds.

Why don't you read what I said and take it for what it is rather than trying to bastardize it? I very clearly stated: I've never heard a single person state that they believe that the pope is infallible. If you want to read more into that than what I said, you're in the same class as the OP - a troll.

 

[Nintendesert]

I think he would have to do this. IF (big if) he wins the nomination, he can gain a LOT of liberal votes by saying he will do this. He will not lose any additional conservative votes due to it, since most who already support him feel Obama is the far greater evil.

It would be interesting, the moral dilema faced by people who are strongly against the death penalty (by that, I mean the actual activists) having to decide to vote for Santorum to get what they have been fighting for...but voting for Santorum includes all the other issues they most likely disagree with him on. Would be an interesting thing to see...not that I want to see it.

Obama would simply have to state that it's evidence of Santorum taking his marching orders from the Pope and the Vatican and it would keep more Southern Baptists and other Protestants home that day.

Just watch some of Ted Turner's rantings against Catholics to get a glimpse of the hate and bigotry many feel towards Catholics. Those questions that JFK got asked haven't gone away.

 

[jackschmittusa]

CycloWizard

Troll? How so?

All I can assume now is that you have never heard of Papal Infallibility before since even if you had read about it, the author was "saying it".

Sheeesh! Get your panties in a knot over a simple question. (Which, by-the-way, had no deeper or hidden meaning.) I have no idea why you took offense. At it's simplest interpretation, your statement meant that you had never heard of the concept. That seemed odd, so I tried to guess what else it might have been intended to convey.

I consider your reaction over-the-top and unwarranted.