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Santa is a communist

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neonerd

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An interesting point brought up today during physics. We started discussing why Santa is a communist. Well, I'll go first. The North pole is filled with hundreds of elves, who work for little or no pay. All are on the same rank, without posibility of promotion. Santa is the dictator who sits with Mrs. Claus, commands over the elves, and eats a lot. The elves have no oppertunities, benefits, or promotions, and live in the same cabins, same lifestyle, and as stated previously, same rank.

EDIT: Oh, and the ever popular argument, he's always wearing red. What's that all about?
 
Yea?! Well Chess is Racest! Heck, not only is it racist, it also promotes the bourgeouis, male-dominated system at the expense of the lower classes. For example, the underclass pawns, who are supposed to sacrifice themselves for their "king". It also ignores the principle of seperation of church and state (witness the bishop playing piece), and glorifies the military-industial complex (the knight), sexism (the king being more highly esteemed than the queen). It also discriminates against the gay-lesbian-transgendered community because of the heterosexual stereotype fostered by a king and queen. Hell, it ignores the special needs community too! You'll notice the rooks aren't handicapped accessible.
 
But he distributes the rewards of society by a certain criteria of staus - and lets face it; richer kids tend to get more presents: I smell something non-communist here . . ..
 
Originally posted by: neonerd
An interesting point brought up today during physics. We started discussing why Santa is a communist. Well, I'll go first. The North pole is filled with hundreds of elves, who work for little or no pay. All are on the same rank, without posibility of promotion. Santa is the dictator who sits with Mrs. Claus, commands over the elves, and eats a lot. The elves have no oppertunities, benefits, or promotions, and live in the same cabins, same lifestyle, and as stated previously, same rank.

EDIT: Oh, and the ever popular argument, he's always wearing red. What's that all about?
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The REASON Santa Claus is dressed in Red & White is because those are the colors of the Coca-Cola company. Ever wonder why the classic Santa is holding a coke? Because Santa as we know him today is a corporate-designed image, just like Easter, Valentine's Day and Christmas are all commercialized holidays.

Edit: Neonerd, I'm inclined to believe you have very little understanding of Marxism and Communism beyond what you read in the popular press and the definition of "Communism" in the vernacular - the government systems of China and the USSR, which in the strict sense were NOT Communist but were totalitarian Socialist regimes. Communism is a far cry away from these nations.

Communism, very simply, is a form of proleteriat rule where the workers own the means and mode of production, are not necessarily specialized in any way, and are unalienated from their work (meaning that they see the product from beginning to end beyond, say, attaching doors to a car. People are also supposed to be able to do whatever they want relative to their occupation. The North Pole falls under none of these classifications.
 
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: neonerd
An interesting point brought up today during physics. We started discussing why Santa is a communist. Well, I'll go first. The North pole is filled with hundreds of elves, who work for little or no pay. All are on the same rank, without posibility of promotion. Santa is the dictator who sits with Mrs. Claus, commands over the elves, and eats a lot. The elves have no oppertunities, benefits, or promotions, and live in the same cabins, same lifestyle, and as stated previously, same rank.

EDIT: Oh, and the ever popular argument, he's always wearing red. What's that all about?
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The REASON Santa Claus is dressed in Red & White is because those are the colors of the Coca-Cola company. Ever wonder why the classic Santa is holding a coke? Because Santa as we know him today is a corporate-designed image, just like Easter, Valentine's Day and Christmas are all communist holidays.
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fixed 😉
 
''This article is about communism as a form of society, as an ideology advocating that form of society, and as a popular movement. For issues regarding the organization of the communist movement, see the Communist party article. For issues regarding one-party states ruled by Communist Parties (and everything associated with them), see Communist state.''
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Communism is a term that can refer to one of several things: a certain social system, an ideology which supports that system, or a political movement that wishes to implement that system.

As a social system, communism is a type of egalitarian society with no state, no private property and no social classes (same rank as every other elf). In communism, all property is owned by the community (supposedly, but in russia, it belonged to the government, here it belongs to santa) as a whole, and all people enjoy equal social and economic status. Perhaps the best known principle of a communist society is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

As an ideology, the word communism is a synonym for Marxism and its various derivatives (most notably Marxism-Leninism). Among other things, Marxism proposes the Materialist Conception of History; there are four stages of economic development, Slavery, Feudalism, Capitalism, and Communism. These stages are advanced through a dialectical process, refining society as history progresses. This refinement is driven by class struggle. Communism is the final refinement as it will result in one class.

As a political movement, communism is a branch of the broader socialist movement. The communist movement differentiates itself from other branches of the socialist movement through various things - such as, for example, the communists' desire to establish a communist system after the socialist one, and their commitment to revolutionary strategies for overthrowing capitalism.
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then in a sense, russia would not be categorized as communist; everything did not belong to the community, it belonged to the government. It was more of a totalitarianism than anything else, no?
 
Originally posted by: Evadman
Yea?! Well Chess is Racest! Heck, not only is it racist, it also promotes the bourgeouis, male-dominated system at the expense of the lower classes. For example, the underclass pawns, who are supposed to sacrifice themselves for their "king". It also ignores the principle of seperation of church and state (witness the bishop playing piece), and glorifies the military-industial complex (the knight), sexism (the king being more highly esteemed than the queen). It also discriminates against the gay-lesbian-transgendered community because of the heterosexual stereotype fostered by a king and queen. Hell, it ignores the special needs community too! You'll notice the rooks aren't handicapped accessible.
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owned.
 
Originally posted by: Evadman
Yea?! Well Chess is Racest! Heck, not only is it racist, it also promotes the bourgeouis, male-dominated system at the expense of the lower classes. For example, the underclass pawns, who are supposed to sacrifice themselves for their "king". It also ignores the principle of seperation of church and state (witness the bishop playing piece), and glorifies the military-industial complex (the knight), sexism (the king being more highly esteemed than the queen). It also discriminates against the gay-lesbian-transgendered community because of the heterosexual stereotype fostered by a king and queen. Hell, it ignores the special needs community too! You'll notice the rooks aren't handicapped accessible.
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😀:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: neonerd
''This article is about communism as a form of society, as an ideology advocating that form of society, and as a popular movement. For issues regarding the organization of the communist movement, see the Communist party article. For issues regarding one-party states ruled by Communist Parties (and everything associated with them), see Communist state.''
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Communism is a term that can refer to one of several things: a certain social system, an ideology which supports that system, or a political movement that wishes to implement that system.

As a social system, communism is a type of egalitarian society with no state, no private property and no social classes (same rank as every other elf). In communism, all property is owned by the community (santa) as a whole, and all people enjoy equal social and economic status. Perhaps the best known principle of a communist society is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

As an ideology, the word communism is a synonym for Marxism and its various derivatives (most notably Marxism-Leninism). Among other things, Marxism proposes the Materialist Conception of History; there are four stages of economic development, Slavery, Feudalism, Capitalism, and Communism. These stages are advanced through a dialectical process, refining society as history progresses. This refinement is driven by class struggle. Communism is the final refinement as it will result in one class.

As a political movement, communism is a branch of the broader socialist movement. The communist movement differentiates itself from other branches of the socialist movement through various things - such as, for example, the communists' desire to establish a communist system after the socialist one, and their commitment to revolutionary strategies for overthrowing capitalism.
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Ahh yes, but the Elves do not own the means of production, and they are also (presumably) specialized with respect to their labor. They are also incapable, as Marx envisioned his society, of freely being able to pursue their desires with respect to labor on any day (essentially meaning that if you want to be a fisherman on Monday and a writer on Tuesday, this is perfectly permissible) because they're working. You said yourself Santa was a sort of 'dictator' - such a figure is wholly nonexistent under a Communist utopia. Finally...it's unclear whether there is no private property on the North Pole or not.

As to the rest of this, I think this thread is a waste of time. 😛

Edit: Russia would NOT be classified as Communist - it is considered by most scholars of Marx to be a Socialist state, perhaps a form of what is known as LENINISM - the heavily diluted form of state-sponsored socialism which took hold in Vietnam and other parts of Southeast Asia. Anybody who has read Marx would find that much of what he writes about the nature of the human spirit and man's ultimate purpose is wholly nonexistent in any alleged "communist" state to date. The term "communism" was abused by American politicians at that time and has inextricably been linked to Russia, and this is what serves as the point of confusion for most people, because they've never even read a page of Marx and take everything from the vernacular usage of the term - which is INCORRECT to begin with.
 
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: neonerd
An interesting point brought up today during physics. We started discussing why Santa is a communist. Well, I'll go first. The North pole is filled with hundreds of elves, who work for little or no pay. All are on the same rank, without posibility of promotion. Santa is the dictator who sits with Mrs. Claus, commands over the elves, and eats a lot. The elves have no oppertunities, benefits, or promotions, and live in the same cabins, same lifestyle, and as stated previously, same rank.

EDIT: Oh, and the ever popular argument, he's always wearing red. What's that all about?
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The REASON Santa Claus is dressed in Red & White is because those are the colors of the Coca-Cola company. .
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ergo, Coca-Cola is a bunch of communists.
 
He is not a communist. He gives the good kids presents, and the bad kids coal.

If he was a comunist, he would give the kids with the highest level of need the best things, and those with lesser needs less things. He would be very much against working in shopping malls, since they are extremely capitalist areas.
 
Hasn't this been done to death?

From http://graceland.gentle.org/topten/xmas97b.html
Top Ten Indications That Santa Is A Communist

10. Lenin had a beard, Marx had a beard, Castro has a beard. Coincidence, I think not!
9. Rudolph is a Russian name!
8. Red suit? 'Nuff said!
7. For last three Christmases, I've received a copy of the "Communist Manifesto"!
6. There's evidence that the KGB compiles his list of who's naughty and nice!
5. Santa's gift giving is really a plot to redistribute the world's wealth. Think about it!
4. "Ho, Ho, Ho" is really code for "Workers unite"!
3. The butt of a Cuban cigar was found next to the milk and cookies!
2. I drew a beard on a picture of Chairman Mao and the resemblance is eerie.
And the number one indication that Santa is a communist is:

1. Upon playing my copy of "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" backwards, I heard the following phrase repeated over and over: "Die, American capitalist pigs, die!"
 
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