Sandforce Preparing Public Statement Re: SF-2281 Issues

[e-drood]

Sandforce is finally responding to increasing speculation that SF-2281 SSD/NAND Controller Chip demonstrates stability issues --- the most recent Sandforce written OCZ Firmware Update FW-2.09 Thottles back the SF-2281 to minimize instability, ie: stuttering/bsod events.

This appears to be Sata3 (6.0Gbps) related issue, as SF-2281 Controller demonstrates improved stability when defaulted to Sata2 (3.0Gbps) interface **After Updating To Firmware Revision FW-2.09 To Impose Controller Thottling** In The Case Of OCZ V3/V3Max. The Sata3 (6.0Gbps) operational interface remains (randomly) problematic.

This issue is Sandforce 2000 series controller related --- OCZ has responded first with Sandforce written firmware update FW-2.09 to address this issue --- ALL SSD's based on SF-2281 Controllers will experience similar sata3 compatibility issues...

I can only say that the Intel 510 SSD appears to be stable when operating on Intel native sata3 (6.0Gbps) chipsets...

There is massive misleading and obstructive "disinformation" being posted by OCZ loyal supporters & OCZ employees --- YOU Will Never Convince Any User That Random SSD Stuttering/BSOD's is NORMAL AND DESIRED SDD Operation --- OCZ Is Discrediting It's Own Reputation --- STOP!

Again This Is Sandforce Series 2000 (SF-2281) Issue...

This thread is going nowhere fast.
-ViRGE

 

[e-drood]

http://forums.legitreviews.com/about30165.html with thanks to apoptosis comment #18

 

[HendrixFan]

Why do you feel the need to post as multiple users and start new threads when you provide "information" that could easily work into one of the many existing threads you spam? Your distinctive writing style, to put it kindly, is evident across the many boards you are linking to.

After getting put in your place in other threads, why do you feel the need to continue to spout unsupported claims? You aren't providing any new details, just spamming us with the same stuff and bumping your threads.

 

[nightelph]

In Anand's latest review of the Vertex 3 MI and Patriot he states that two thirds of 1% of people are affected by this. Theres a firmware update out if you're affected.

 

[e-drood]

hendrix/ocz I keep a diary of web forum postings indexed by "forum name" - rather than only time/date stamps of each post - very easy to index & recover data

and yes my writing style is "my writing style" consistently applied to all posts

and the term spam has a well defined legal definition

"getting put in my place" - I'm not the one preparing a release-to-public statement "explaining" why the "bleeding edge" ssd controller is not working correctly - or did you miss this point?

anyway, have a better one

 

[e-drood]

pls view http://www.sandforce.com at top for SF-2281 BSOD Explanation

Objectively, Sandforce admits the controller experiences bsod's while denying "the silicon is responsible" and NO timeframe of bsod solution is discussed... difficult to reproduce conditions allows sliding out from under any responsibilty to user... realtime communication and doing our best... really is not enough to explain (2200 Family) SF-2281 functional problems...

let the buyer beware

 

[HendrixFan]

I'm talking about the using more than one username on a single forum, in addition to linking to posts you made under different names, or blogs, to "support" your wild claims. Then you go and respond to your own posts with more incomprehensible writings. You mix in capitalization at weird points, lowercase sometimes at the start of "sentences", no real sentence structure, just ideas aimlessly pasted, linked by three periods (...).

If you wish to inform us, please cite some sources of information. You refuse to do so tirelessly. Also, do something to help the reader actually digest what you are putting down, you don't have to be perfect at English but do try and maintain some traditional structure.

To get to the meat of this thread, you posted a long diatribe to start about an upcoming announcement. The actual announcement was a fraction of the size of your announcement of the announcement. Despite Sandforce providing the text, you did nobody a favor by editing your OP to include it, or even reply to your own thread with the relevant info. Considering that at this time you have 4 of the 6 posts in your own thread, I know you don't mind bumping yourself to include the information from their announcement.

Here is the actual announcement that you seem to have issue with:

SandForce® continues full production of the latest SF-2000 family of SSD Processors free of silicon issues. SandForce and the various SandForce Driven™ SSD manufacturers are in real-time contact with each other and are actively monitoring reports from users. SandForce is currently working tirelessly to resolve the recent reports of BSOD with some users’ systems as quickly as possible. This issue appears to be specific to certain configurations which have been difficult to reproduce. Anyone who experiences this issue should report the specific system configuration and circumstances of the failure to their SandForce Driven SSD manufacturer for further analysis.

This "buyer beware" mantra you have been running this past week in conjunction with your multiple "new user" posts signed up for in the past week hold very little water. You were already called out on your blog for spreading misinformation and using localized data that was 14 months old to try and project wide and as current. You were also called out for running a big anti Sandforce/OCZ campaign while pimping FIO as an investment.

I think your motives are clear, and the support for your arguments are weak. How many BSODs have you personally experienced with the SF-2281 drives? How many reports collectively have you found from the numerous boards you are spamming? How many units are they moving, and therefore what percentage of users could reasonably be experiencing this problem? You suggest that there is a silicon issue despite the fact that Sandforce says there is not one, yet you provide no proof. If Sandforce and the SSD builders have problems reproducing the problem, making it difficult to give an ETA on a fix, then doesn't that mean the problem is not as widespread as you seem to claim?

 

[e-drood]

hendrixfan - i do not author ANY (-0-) "blogs" & i DO NOT use more than (-1-) name in a forum thread...

the more OCZ attempts to discredit my posts Re: Sandforce Controller Compatibility and Stability Problems, The Greater The Confirmation To All Users of SSD's That Sandforce & OCZ Are Compelled to Successfully Market This Controller Fab Production Immediately - Completely Disregarding the Problems...

That Is Not My Blog - You Are Entirely WRONG - Your Post Is Not Simply "Cut & Thrust" of Public Dialogue - You Are Engaged In Charactor Assassination

All This To Protect OCZ? Truly A Proven History of "Glory" In The Business World. Every Start-up Has Unresolved Investigations, Right!

No Smoke Without Fire - And You Complain So Very Much About Every Discussion of Sandforce & SSD's Using Sandforce Controllers - Too Much Effort To Conceal, Way Too Many Resources Deployed, The Sandforce SF-2281 Controller Should "Speak For Itself" WITHOUT SO MANY AGGRESSIVELY DEFENDING THE SHORTCOMINGS & PROBLEMATIC INSTALLATION & UNPREDICTABLE OPERATION.

PROVE IT IS MY BLOG NOW

 

[Ben90]

Oh god, why did you complain about his sentence structure? Now that you made me aware of it, my brain just exploded trying to read that.

 

[e-drood]

Now this is spirited public diologue. Yes, my sentance structure is headache inducing, and time consuming to read. God, it really is terrible. Just one of life's little challenges... The bizarre capital letters are however deliberate.

 

[HendrixFan]

This isn't you?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31892528&postcount=12

Linking back to a blog that has the same misinformation you are spamming here? With commentary in the talkback that has the same writing style in the responses (...) although a little less psychotic and probably ran by an editor?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31882999&postcount=7

Same writing style (...).

You have already linked to other forums you post at with that style.

http://forums.legitreviews.com/about30165.html#p194260

You are going around spamming places with your misinformation. You have made it clear via your own links that you are crossposting the same information elsewhere. Or is this not from you, off another site:

Pointedly, OCZ Has Reduced the Performance Of their "Flagship SSD's" To Avoid Having To Recall Inherently Unstable Sandforce SF-2281 SSD/NAND Controller Chips --- WITHOUT MANDATED NOTIFICATION TO PURCHASERS/USERS OF THIS ESSENTIAL 'CORE SPEC" DOWNGRADE!

The question I have is why so many new usernames, mostly June 2011 signups at various stops, to post the same unfounded drivel? You ask me to prove that blog is yours, I don't know your real identity to match up the blog so I can't do that. I'm not sure the author info on the blog is even remotely accurate. What is clear is the writing style, content and direction are very similar.

Now I put a similar burden on you. You have made quite a staggering number of statements regarding information about the Sandforce drives. Offer up some proof of what you are claiming please.

 

[e-drood]

No the top link is not me and I was not aware of this posting - the language is similar, but not same - this is exactly why I do not publish blogs - paraphased material (not by author) from blogs can be linked mutitple times and author will lose control of original meaning

No the middle link is entirely different person entire independent from me and not related in any way... There is absolutely NO similarity I see - Hendricksfan view your link again - nothing to do with me.

Your final link is written in journalistic style with smoother flow than my "tortured" posts and if the ssd issues are similar to issues in my posts, it's because other persons may also have similar experience and want to express concerns.

Do you understand the definition of censorship? The OCZ V3/V3Max initial sales followed by initial user reports of "problems" (and there were many posts in OCZ forums about those problems / immediately deleted by OCZ) ocurred late May/June 2011 - the obvious time for public forum complaints.

Are you suggesting that public forums should be rigidly controlled & sanitized to control content? OCZ employees have been doing exactly this - and not one word has been said by moderators. And you have seen and you know.

The "Statement" by Sandforce is meaningless and insulting.

 

[e-drood]

incidently, it's my understanding that public diologue is most effective when it is genuine personal expression, not blocks of prepared text, used as thread post.

I only see the level of denial (over sf-2281 issues) in the Peoples Republic of China, when the issue of lead poisoning in children is discussed. This is now widely observed with complete official silence. This problem can only increase as the children age; and yet absolute denial. The SF-2281 SSD's will not improve with increasing service hours... and yet complete denial now.

I will never approve Sandforce controller enterprise ssd's after this experience.

 

[=Wendy=]

@e-drood
Yet more drivel, and no substance.
You've been called out countless times, and yet you still can't substantiate one of your wild claims, not a single one.

All you can do is drivel more, and name call people who are satisfied with their SandForce purchase, claiming they are owned by OCZ.

In my country, they say "one is born every minute" I guess you are the one.

 

[TheTrue]

@e-drood
Yet more drivel, and no substance.
You've been called out countless times, and yet you still can't substantiate one of your wild claims, not a single one.

All you can do is drivel more, and name call people who are satisfied with their SandForce purchase, claiming they are owned by OCZ.

In my country, they say "one is born every minute" I guess you are the one.

I don't understand what is the problem with all of you flaming him anyway.

If he feel that way I think he have his own reasons to feel that way, maybe he was burn by OCZ not so honest business practice.

I was screw by OCZ I just come here to read what is going on, if you two work or have some stock from OCZ, then you have the right to look out for your interest.

In the mean time shut up and let people get they frustration out.

How can you say here that those drives are fine?
My god!

Anyway I have two Intel 510 now and all the agonizing time OCZ give me are over.


Now flame me too


Send from Niburu!

 

[=Wendy=]

In the mean time shut up and let people get they frustration out.

I don't do requests.

How can you say here that those drives are fine?
My god!

I don't recall ever saying they were fine. I think everyone already knows there is still some issues with the firmware to be fixed, but if someone wants to make claims that the "silicon" itself is the problem, then they need to back up those claims with verifiable data.

I have no stocks, nor do I work for OCZ or Sandforce. I'm a technology journalist, I deal with verifiable facts, not hearsay and gossip.

Anyway I have two Intel 510 now and all the agonizing time OCZ give me are over.

Good for you, i hope you enjoy them.

 

[AdamK47]

I have not had any stuttering with my Vertex 3 connected to the Marvell 9123 controller on my Asus P6X58D Premium motherboard. This particular controller does only run off of one 5Gbps PCI-1X lane though.

 

[groberts101]

Try and discredit Wendy all you want as "bought and paid for" but anyone who looks at things from an objective viewpoint will see right through your propagandist ways. Simple to follow her work and see that she tries very hard to remain unbiased and only bases her opinion on fact unless otherwise noted. Disrespecting someone who is already respected for their opinion,.. will NOT gain you any more respect from those who you are trying to persuade into your thought process here.

incidently, it's my understanding that public diologue is most effective when it is genuine personal expression, not blocks of prepared text, used as thread post.

I have no issue with freedom of speech but it's always nice to see some actual firsthand experience with the very tech/issue that's being discussed(by the way,..still waiting on those screens to prove that you even have firsthand knowledge of these controllers) as that surely adds credibilty to a viewpoint. Especially with this particular controller as it certainly is quite different in it's internal operation compared to all the others.

this is only the tip of the iceberg as to where we will end up when all this is said and done. http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/f...gement-Engine-cmos-corruption-and-its-effects

As mentioned earlier?.. all this^ foolishness will only serve to show your true understanding as to all the other factors involved here. There are MANY larger players involved at this juncture and firmware workarounds will only serve as an interim fix until they all play ball on the same field and work as a team. And again.. there is much that I cannot discuss in greater depth as to the underlying issues involved here.. but I will say that time itself will make you look even more the fool when it's all said and done.


in regards to "massive speed loss issues" see post #384 here(there are MANY more with similar results coming from even older firmware revisions as well). I can even post my own personal drive's screens that show 0 losses as well. For the one's who actually "need" to use this update?.. the losses are minute to obtain stability and 5MB/s seems a small price to pay to achieve it.
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/f...ave-issues-with-other-FW.&p=650132#post650132

 

[Idontcare]

This isn't you?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31892528&postcount=12

Linking back to a blog that has the same misinformation you are spamming here? With commentary in the talkback that has the same writing style in the responses (...) although a little less psychotic and probably ran by an editor?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31882999&postcount=7

Same writing style (...).

For the record, I have done the requisite background checks on these specific members, the OP, and every active member in the Mem & Storage sub-forum these past many days and there are no dual-accounts or multi-account shenanigans going on.

Also for the record, doing member callouts like this in public is a violation of the forum rules. If you suspect a fellow forum member is violating the rules of the posting guidelines, including holding multiple accounts, you are expected to report the post/member and leave the matter to the forum moderators.

To report posts all you need do is click the little red triangle

located in the lower-left corner of the post in question.

Idontcare
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