Sanders: "Whites don't know what it's like to be poor"

[Jhhnn]

When white people hear these things like those college students, how the hell can they consider them. They feel threatened.

White people cannot take these things anymore. I am an independent, but these videos are why Democrats keep losing white voters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYDDTCqXhOo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tU_sQPlBMY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLWBtTT4dlk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzBH6_k9YEc

You must have led a sheltered existence. I really don't get why you included the Van Jones piece or how Hardesty called for profiling Muslims, either.

 

[Svnla]

Mothers of slain black teenagers assail Sanders for ghetto comment =

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...rs-assail-bernie-sanders-for-ghetto-comments/


Sanders is wrong = http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-sanders-wrong-say-when-youre-white-you-dont/

 

[Victorian Gray]

Maybe because Asians were never subjected to what blacks were in the U.S.

Were Asians brought over to the U.S. by the boatload after being captured in their homelands and sold into slavery when they arrived in the U.S.? Did Asians have their entire culture stripped from them after arrival in the U.S. like blacks were subjected to?

Did Asians have laws in place that outlawed them being taught to read and write like the laws black slaves were subjected to for a over a century in the South?

Did Asians have religion used as a justification for keeping them as slaves like blacks did in the South?

And after slavery was ended after the Civil War, for the next century, blacks were segregated against in every facet of life.....schools, shopping, any part of normal life that whites enjoyed. Separate but wholly unequal facilities and opportunities were afforded blacks vs. what was available to blacks. As a white guy who grew up in the deep South during the 1950's-1960's, I distinctly remember the horrid conditions of black only schools, separate stores, separate everything, stores with No Blacks Served signs everywhere, and on and on. Yeah, that was inclusive.

And once Civil Rights was passed in 1964, were federal troops required to allow Asian students into colleges like blacks?

The black experience in the U.S. has been dramatically different than any other minority in the U.S., but not surprising. Whites have, as a group, consistently looked down at other races as inferior. But what's different about other minorities and blacks is the widespread and deeply rooted cultural and religious discrimination that existed against blacks vs. almost every other race, but that's not surprising given blacks are so easily picked out by their skin color vs. almost every other group.

Remember, when the Irish were emigrating to the U.S., initially they, too, were heavily discriminated against, until they became "white" enough and became accepted. Italians, Greeks, name the group.....almost every one was discriminated against but eventually became "white" enough to be included as almost equal.

Blacks, on the other hand, have yet to achieve this tipping point. You even see it here......comments like "I knew a black family. They were the "whitest" blacks I've ever seen because they acted respectful."

When you characterize a group as animals, savages, less than human for centuries, why is anyone surprised that the group devolves to fit those expectations?

When you herd an entire group into substandard housing because of discriminatory housing practices that prevented blacks from buying into or even being shown middle class neighborhoods, despite being able to afford it, what do you expect the end result to be?

And when blacks push back against real and perceived injustices, you hear "They shouldn't be acting so uppity," or "They just need to remember their place."


And now, I see the push by small business for trying to discriminate against gays as a wedge to discriminate against any group. Once it becomes "legal" to deny commerce to one group, it'll spread to any group that is also not part of the mainstream, as whites perceive it. And you only have to look back at Goldwater in 1964 to see that attitude, which still exists in much of the country. Goldwater supported "equal" rights legislation until the commerce section was added. At that point, Goldwater, and by extension the Repub. party as Goldwater was the standard bearer of the party in '64, flopped on his support. Can't have them blacks in stores, shopping side by side with whites. Hell, them blacks might look at a white woman or even talk to her.



Yeah, trying equating the Asian experience with the black experience in the U.S. is just sheer ignorance...or using blinders to deny what has shaped black culture in the U.S.

Well said.

 

[Victorian Gray]

11 hours?

What'd they do? Operate in shifts?

"I gotta get home to the wife. Keep at him, fellers."

You seem to find the case somewhat humorous. Read this and have a good laugh, eh?

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/robert-leone/

 

[SP33Demon]

Don't worry, I'll say something to piss you off soon enough.

I'm happy to say I caucused for Bernie last week, and even happier to say he trounced Hillary here in MN. I hope he can make up the delegate deficit and take the nomination, I'd definitely vote for him in November.

Wow, hell has frozen over. Libertarians voting for socialists.

 

[SP33Demon]

It is great to listen to him. He actually answers the questions with a detailed and specific response. He knows the bills he voted on inside and out and can refute the Hillary's talking points about him pretty easily as he did last night.

His tax plan isn't 10% for everyone BTW. Here is the break down:

No increase until 250k+. Bracketed system as well, so the first 250k would not be taxed at the higher rate.

I think you've been duped:

•A majority of the revenue raised by the Sanders plan would come from a new 6.2 percent employer-side payroll tax, a new 2.2 percent broad-based income tax, and the elimination of tax expenditures relating to healthcare.
•According to the Tax Foundation’s Taxes and Growth Model, the plan would significantly increase marginal tax rates and the cost of capital, which would lead to 9.5 percent lower GDP over the long term.
•On a static basis, the plan would lead to 10.56 percent lower after-tax income for all taxpayers and 17.91 percent lower after-tax income for the top 1 percent. When accounting for reduced GDP, after-tax incomes of all taxpayers would fall by at least 12.84 percent.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan

 

[Spungo]

Maybe because Asians were never subjected to what blacks were in the U.S.

Asians were so worthless that they were given the job of placing nitroglycerine charges when constructing railroads. This was before dynamite was invented, so placing explosives was a death sentence. No sane person would ever want their slave doing this job because slaves cost money. Having a slave die every few days is like having a horse die every few days. Slaves and horses are not cheap.

Were Asians brought over to the U.S. by the boatload

Yes. There's a reason we call them FOBs. Fresh Off the Boat.

after being captured in their homelands and sold into slavery when they arrived in the U.S.?

They didn't need to be captured. A lot of Asians came here to escape starvation. Since they were desperate to find any work at all, and whites didn't see them as humans, whites gave them extremely dangerous jobs like placing explosives.

Did Asians have their entire culture stripped from them after arrival in the U.S. like blacks were subjected to?

Yes. Opium is only illegal because Chinese immigrants enjoyed it. Virtually everything related to Asian culture has been under constant attack until very recently. First they were considered not-human because they looked different. Then they were despised during the Great Depression because they underbid white people (minimum wage was originally an attack against Asian and black workers). Then they were hated due to war with the Japanese. Then they were hated due to war with the Koreans. Then they were hated due to war with the Vietnamese. Asians have been viewed as and treated like shit for a very long time.

Did Asians have laws in place that outlawed them being taught to read and write like the laws black slaves were subjected to for a over a century in the South?

So your argument is that 100% of blacks were illiterate, but only 99% of whites were illiterate, and that 1% difference somehow affects today's black population? How do you think Asian people felt? Slave owners at least wanted their slaves to understand spoken English. They can't be effective slaves if they don't speak the same language as you. It's like teaching a dog to follow commands. Asian immigrants? They get nothing. White people wanted absolutely nothing to do with Asian immigrants. There is nothing gain from teaching Asian immigrants how to read, write, or speak English. It was believed they would simply go back to Asia if they were bullied enough and hated enough. The government even put limits on Asian immigrants.

Did Asians have religion used as a justification for keeping them as slaves like blacks did in the South?

Yes religion was used to hate Asians. The bible is a very xenophobic book. It's also rapey as hell.

And after slavery was ended after the Civil War, for the next century, blacks were segregated against in every facet of life.....schools, shopping, any part of normal life that whites enjoyed.

Yes. This is why every city has Chinatown. That's the Asian ghetto. Asian people stayed in those areas because they were the majority there. Being outside of Chinatown would put one at risk of being beaten by whites.

I distinctly remember the horrid conditions of black only schools, separate stores, separate everything, stores with No Blacks Served signs everywhere, and on and on. Yeah, that was inclusive.

Have you ever been to Chinatown? There are no white people living there because it's always the poor part of town. White people don't want to live there. When Asian people become wealthy (these days), they leave Chinatown. It's just like black folks leaving the ghetto as soon as possible.

And once Civil Rights was passed in 1964, were federal troops required to allow Asian students into colleges like blacks?

I had to check up on this just to see if education was given to blacks first or Asians first.
great moments in black history
1823: Alexander Lucius Twilight becomes the first known African American to graduate from a college in the United States. He received a bachelor’s degree from Middlebury College in Vermont.

First educated black person was 1823. How about our Asian comrades?
Yung Wing in 1854. That blows your theory out of the water. The cherry on top of this racist cake is in the first paragraph:

He was involved in business transactions between China and the United States and brought students from China to study in the United States on the Chinese Educational Mission. He became a naturalized American citizen, but his status was later revoked under the Naturalization Act of 1870.[1]

We were so nice to Asians that we revoked citizenship just because. We also put them in camps just because.


Asians deserve a ton of respect. They put up with more bullshit than any white person can imagine, but they overcame it, and they surpassed white people in both education and income. I have a real fear that today's young people will assume Asian people were always upper class. They weren't. They were the bottom class. They got to the top through lots of hard work.

 

[CWRMadcat]

Asians deserve a ton of respect. They put up with more bullshit than any white person can imagine, but they overcame it, and they surpassed white people in both education and income. I have a real fear that today's young people will assume Asian people were always upper class. They weren't. They were the bottom class. They got to the top through lots of hard work.

What you're missing here is that pre-1965 the Asian population in the United States was miniscule (roughly 400k). If you really look at immigration trends, the Asian population has only really exploded in the past twenty years or so. For most Asian-am's, the racism of the past is something they read about in history books; it was never a lived experience. The same can't be said for black people.

 

[Subyman]

I think you've been duped:


http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan

It is more nuanced than that. With Bernie's plan, healthcare is substantially changed. Americans spend an average of 10-12% of their budget on healthcare each year. That would be rolled into the new tax model as a consumer savings, so it is basically a wash. Bernie's plan brings in an additional $10T in government revenue over the next decade and reduces the federal deficit.

If, however, we look at Trump's plan. We further bury ourselves in debt. Over the next ten years, using your same source, they project Trump's plan will cause an increase in the federal deficit by over $10T!!! So, we'd then be nearly $30T in debt after a decade with Trump's plan! Hmmm....

The [Trump's] plan would also be a large tax cut, which would increase the federal government’s deficit by over $10 trillion, both on a static and dynamic basis.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan

FWIW, I don't quite buy their model with either candidate. The vision at this point is more important than the details, which may be adjusted as needs change and the plan is finalized while moving through congress.

Anyway, so keep talking about Bernie's 10% tax increase and I'll talk about Trump's $30T federal deficit, then we can both yell past each other with BS.

 

[BoberFett]

Wow, hell has frozen over. Libertarians voting for socialists.

Nothing strange about that. Sanders, while not a libertarian, is more libertarian than any of the other very authoritarian candidates. He's not perfect, but he's the best we've got. I'm mostly a single issue voter this election, and that's for non-intervention. I've long been of sick of the money we waste bombing other countries and creating enemies around the world. Sanders is the only candidate in this election that I trust not to play World Police.

http://reason.com/archives/2015/09/15/bernie-sanders-first-libertarian-sociali

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/09/is-there-a-libertarian-case-for-bernie-sanders.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/penn-jillette-bernie-sanders-libertarian/

Of course not all libertarians will agree with me, but I stand by my support of Sanders. He's the best option we've got right now.

 

[Jeff7]

^^ But without enemies, how can we continue to justify our immense military spending? We've got to have those troops out there indefinitely, stimulating demand for that part of the economy!

 

[Watwatwat]

Maybe because Asians were never subjected to what blacks were in the U.S.

Were Asians brought over to the U.S. by the boatload after being captured in their homelands and sold into slavery when they arrived in the U.S.? Did Asians have their entire culture stripped from them after arrival in the U.S. like blacks were subjected to?

Did Asians have laws in place that outlawed them being taught to read and write like the laws black slaves were subjected to for a over a century in the South?

Did Asians have religion used as a justification for keeping them as slaves like blacks did in the South?

And after slavery was ended after the Civil War, for the next century, blacks were segregated against in every facet of life.....schools, shopping, any part of normal life that whites enjoyed. Separate but wholly unequal facilities and opportunities were afforded blacks vs. what was available to blacks. As a white guy who grew up in the deep South during the 1950's-1960's, I distinctly remember the horrid conditions of black only schools, separate stores, separate everything, stores with No Blacks Served signs everywhere, and on and on. Yeah, that was inclusive.

And once Civil Rights was passed in 1964, were federal troops required to allow Asian students into colleges like blacks?

The black experience in the U.S. has been dramatically different than any other minority in the U.S., but not surprising. Whites have, as a group, consistently looked down at other races as inferior. But what's different about other minorities and blacks is the widespread and deeply rooted cultural and religious discrimination that existed against blacks vs. almost every other race, but that's not surprising given blacks are so easily picked out by their skin color vs. almost every other group.

Remember, when the Irish were emigrating to the U.S., initially they, too, were heavily discriminated against, until they became "white" enough and became accepted. Italians, Greeks, name the group.....almost every one was discriminated against but eventually became "white" enough to be included as almost equal.

Blacks, on the other hand, have yet to achieve this tipping point. You even see it here......comments like "I knew a black family. They were the "whitest" blacks I've ever seen because they acted respectful."

When you characterize a group as animals, savages, less than human for centuries, why is anyone surprised that the group devolves to fit those expectations?

When you herd an entire group into substandard housing because of discriminatory housing practices that prevented blacks from buying into or even being shown middle class neighborhoods, despite being able to afford it, what do you expect the end result to be?

And when blacks push back against real and perceived injustices, you hear "They shouldn't be acting so uppity," or "They just need to remember their place."


And now, I see the push by small business for trying to discriminate against gays as a wedge to discriminate against any group. Once it becomes "legal" to deny commerce to one group, it'll spread to any group that is also not part of the mainstream, as whites perceive it. And you only have to look back at Goldwater in 1964 to see that attitude, which still exists in much of the country. Goldwater supported "equal" rights legislation until the commerce section was added. At that point, Goldwater, and by extension the Repub. party as Goldwater was the standard bearer of the party in '64, flopped on his support. Can't have them blacks in stores, shopping side by side with whites. Hell, them blacks might look at a white woman or even talk to her.



Yeah, trying equating the Asian experience with the black experience in the U.S. is just sheer ignorance...or using blinders to deny what has shaped black culture in the U.S.

Well said.

Poorly said.

Peoples have been devastated by wars, cultural revolutions, purges, genocides and have bounced back. The asian tiger economies are built around a strong family unit.

What did your leftist compatriots do to the black community?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URpJpM-oZ5k
As he states, after slavery there was progress, and then the democrats enacted a plan to repurchase blacks, destroying their family units, creating a dependent voter class loyal to their party. Conscious intention isn't necessary, misguided do gooders have done plenty of harm throughout history.

Equating asian american experience with black american experience IS ignorance, you do realize that asians were not granted naturalization and the vote until long after african american's had such rights. The left talks a big game over basic rights such as marriage, all the while not realizing asians in america couldn't marry anyone for most of american history without severe consequences, a white woman would lose her citizenship if she married an asian. As non citizens they had no guaranteed rights, even if only on paper, there was law to fall back on, so asians were excluded from even owning land in many areas of the US. It wasn't until the 1940s that these laws were repealed.

Couldn't vote, couldn't marry, couldn't naturalize, couldn't own land...

equating the Asian experience with the black experience in the U.S. is just sheer ignorance.

no kidding.

What the left has done is masterfully appalling once you understand it.

When you characterize a group as animals, savages, less than human for centuries, why is anyone surprised that the group devolves to fit those expectations?

I'd post the racist propaganda commonly used against asians in the west, but I think you already know it exists. So your argument boils down to little more than the soft bigotry of low expectations. and in doing so, the left has managed to encourage black racism against other groups, even asians.
rafael ramos and wenjian liu murdered by a black lives matter supporter
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/n...ers-shot-in-their-patrol-car-in-brooklyn.html
no big deal, just a hispanic and an asian.
The real tragedy is a young thug like Trayvon or the brazen thief Michael Brown..
Tookie Williams which black activists hold up as some kind of example of injustice and racism in america?
Oh, he just slaughtered an entire taiwanese family, barely people right?


So the left has had a perverse blind spot where in viewing african americans as special victims, grant them lower standards, and that has had consequences of damaging their community ever since. It's a sort of benevolent racism, the racism of the white mans burden.

Black Victimhood Pt 2: The White Liberal Deception
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1mShT6-QGw

Notes issues such as higher rates of criminality persist even in countries without the same history as the US, whether canada or the uk. The narrative which relies on slavery simply doesn't tell the whole story. The cover up of the very real problems within the african american community, is simply more benevolent racism from the left.
Black Lives Matter: The Rise of the "DINDU"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm_Vv3Q24uQ

 

[brianmanahan]

my county is %98 white, and we have plenty of poor river-lurking hillbillies here

 

[Zorkorist]

Any slaves?

-John

 

[BeeBoop]

Whites don't know what it's like to be poor!

 

[Aikouka]

Eh, in general, it's usually best to avoid statements that will overgeneralize a group of people... especially if that group isn't all that alike.

 

[Joepublic2]

You're either extremely naive or being purposefully dishonest if you don't think cops treat white and black people differently. I've been pulled over before with an oz of really, really, REALLY skunky weed in my pocket, and the white cop basically told me to fix my broken tail light and let me go (why I was pulled over in the first place; I wasn't driving stoned/impaired/poorly). There's no way in hell anybody with a nose wouldn't have been able to immediately smell it as soon as I cracked my window. Yeah, an anecdote, but I can think of several occasions where I've been really glad after the fact that I was the same race as the cops I was interacting with and they gave me the benefit of the doubt instead of hassling me. I've sat in county for a few months over a little sack of weed I got caught dead to rights with in the same jurisdiction, so it's not like I was in a low enforcement/priority area or something.

 

[BoberFett]

You're either extremely naive or being purposefully dishonest if you don't think cops treat white and black people differently. I've been pulled over before with an oz of really, really, REALLY skunky weed in my pocket, and the white cop basically told me to fix my broken tail light and let me go (why I was pulled over in the first place; I wasn't driving stoned/impaired/poorly). There's no way in hell anybody with a nose wouldn't have been able to immediately smell it as soon as I cracked my window. Yeah, an anecdote, but I can think of several occasions where I've been really glad after the fact that I was the same race as the cops I was interacting with and they gave me the benefit of the doubt instead of hassling me. I've sat in county for a few months over a little sack of weed I got caught dead to rights with in the same jurisdiction, so it's not like I was in a low enforcement/priority area or something.

So are you proposing that cops need to let more black people get away with crimes? Or they need to shoot more white people?

Personally, I've always found that solving the real problem (in this case ending the drug war) rather than addressing symptoms was preferable in the long run, but that's just me.

 

[Herr Kutz]

Whites don't know what it's like to be poor!

And if Bernie becomes president, we'll get to find out!

 

[Exophase]

And if Bernie becomes president, we'll get to find out!

Increased taxation on income over $250k is the very definition of poverty.

 

[EOM]

The crime rate in black ghettos is crazy high and I'm sure that many perceive police presence and law enforcement as harassment. Yes, there are many instances of police abuse which is finally getting the level of attention it urgently deserves. But to me, the actual problem appears to be largely cultural and much deeper than anyone is willing to admit.

REAL CRIME? Or minor infractions used to keep poor people poor and generate revenue for the State?

 

[EOM]

Nothing strange about that. Sanders, while not a libertarian, is more libertarian than any of the other very authoritarian candidates. He's not perfect, but he's the best we've got. I'm mostly a single issue voter this election, and that's for non-intervention. I've long been of sick of the money we waste bombing other countries and creating enemies around the world. Sanders is the only candidate in this election that I trust not to play World Police.

http://reason.com/archives/2015/09/15/bernie-sanders-first-libertarian-sociali

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/09/is-there-a-libertarian-case-for-bernie-sanders.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/penn-jillette-bernie-sanders-libertarian/

Of course not all libertarians will agree with me, but I stand by my support of Sanders. He's the best option we've got right now.

I'm likely voting Johnson in the general, but I agree, i would MUCH rather see Bernie in there than Hillary.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

REAL CRIME? Or minor infractions used to keep poor people poor and generate revenue for the State?

Real crime is where you find the largest discrepancy between whites and blacks; the latter commit murder at a rate approximately ten times that of the former, for example. That's not police bias overlooking white-on-white murder. It's the minor infractions where cops and judges really show bias, and that's the kind of stuff that leads to a broken society, e.g. Joe Black goes to prison for years leaving a child to be raised by a single mother while Joe White serves a little probation and gets to keep his family in tact.

 

[hasu]

.... and that's for non-intervention. I've long been of sick of the money we waste bombing other countries and creating enemies around the world. Sanders is the only candidate in this election that I trust not to play World Police.

As someone mentioned, that alone will make America great again!

 

[MagickMan]

Nothing strange about that. Sanders, while not a libertarian, is more libertarian than any of the other very authoritarian candidates. He's not perfect, but he's the best we've got. I'm mostly a single issue voter this election, and that's for non-intervention. I've long been of sick of the money we waste bombing other countries and creating enemies around the world. Sanders is the only candidate in this election that I trust not to play World Police.

http://reason.com/archives/2015/09/15/bernie-sanders-first-libertarian-sociali

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/09/is-there-a-libertarian-case-for-bernie-sanders.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/penn-jillette-bernie-sanders-libertarian/

Of course not all libertarians will agree with me, but I stand by my support of Sanders. He's the best option we've got right now.

This. We need to GTFO of the rest of the world's business, unless we're directly attacked. It's time for the EU, et al. to fix their own shit. Fuck M.E. oil, it isn't worth what we pay in defense spending, just to have access to it.

Everyone in the race, except Sanders, is a Neocon warhawk, and that philosophy has done nothing but cause harm.