Sanctioning of Lawyers Involved with Ohio Election Challenge

BBond

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Retaliation in Ohio.

Rep. Conyers' Letter to Ohio Attorney General: Sanctioning of Lawyers Involved with Ohio Election Challenge is a "selective and partisan misuse of your legal authority."

January 20, 2005

The Hon. Jim Petro
Attorney General
State of Ohio
State Office Tower
30 E. Broad St, 17th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215

Dear Attorney General Petro:

I write to express my concern regarding your recent request to sanction those attorneys who brought a legal challenge to last year's presidential election in Ohio. In particular, I am concerned that by seeking official censure and fines, you are engaged in a selective and partisan misuse of your legal authority. As eager as many disgruntled voters are to have a court of law finally assess the merits of the challenge actions, I have serious doubts about the validity of the sanctions case your office is pursuing.

As an initial matter, one would be hard pressed to see how the legal challenges brought under the Ohio election challenge statute were "frivolous." First off, it is widely known that the Ohio presidential election was literally riddled with irregularities and improprieties, many of which are set forth in the 102 page report issued by the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff. <http://www.house.gov> As a matter of fact, the problems were so great that Congress was forced to debate the first challenge to an entire state's slate of electors since the federal Electoral Count law was enacted in 1877. In short, there is more than an abundant record raising serious, substantive questions about the Ohio presidential election.

It is also noteworthy that the Ohio Secretary of State intentionally delayed certifying the vote, thereby insuring that the recount could not be completed by the date the electoral college met on December 13. The Ohio Secretary State also refused to respond to numerous questions regarding the irregularities submitted to him by several members of the House Judiciary Committee, has refused to respond to a single concern set forth in the Judiciary Report, and also sought a protective order to avoid any discovery related to the legal challenges. In short, Ohio election officials have compounded public doubt concerning the election by refusing to provide any sort of accountability and acting in almost every respect as if they have "something to hide."

Given this context, and to help assure the public that you are not selectively pursuing sanctions in these cases for partisan reasons, I would respectfully request that you provide the House Judiciary Committee and the public with an itemization of all sanctions cases brought and considered by your office since January, 2003. In addition, I would ask that you provide to us and make public an itemization of cases you have considered and pursued under Ohio's campaign and election laws since January 2003. Finally, I would like to receive a an estimate of the costs you would expect to expend of Ohio taxpayer funds to pursue the sanction case you are seeking against Mr. Fitrakis, Susan Truitt, Cliff Arnebeck, and Peter Peckowsky.

If you believe the election challenge case should not have been brought, I would suggest the more appropriate course of actions may be revisiting the law with the Ohio legislature, rather than pursuing far-fetched sanction cases which on their face would appear to be overtly partisan in nature.

I would appreciate it if you would respond to me though my Judiciary Committee staff, Perry Apelbaum and Ted Kalo, 2142 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20515 (tel. 202-225-6504, fax 202-225-4423) by no later than January 27. Thank you.

Sincerely,

John Conyers, Jr.
Ranking Member
House Judiciary Committee

cc: Hon. F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr.
Chairman, House Committee on the Judiciary

Supreme Court, State of Ohio

Ohio Bar Association

 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: BBond
Retaliation in Ohio.

Rep. Conyers' Letter to Ohio Attorney General: Sanctioning of Lawyers Involved with Ohio Election Challenge is a "selective and partisan misuse of your legal authority."

January 20, 2005

The Hon. Jim Petro
Attorney General
State of Ohio
State Office Tower
30 E. Broad St, 17th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215

Dear Attorney General Petro:

I write to express my concern regarding your recent request to sanction those attorneys who brought a legal challenge to last year's presidential election in Ohio. In particular, I am concerned that by seeking official censure and fines, you are engaged in a selective and partisan misuse of your legal authority. As eager as many disgruntled voters are to have a court of law finally assess the merits of the challenge actions, I have serious doubts about the validity of the sanctions case your office is pursuing.

As an initial matter, one would be hard pressed to see how the legal challenges brought under the Ohio election challenge statute were "frivolous." First off, it is widely known that the Ohio presidential election was literally riddled with irregularities and improprieties, many of which are set forth in the 102 page report issued by the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff. <http://www.house.gov> As a matter of fact, the problems were so great that Congress was forced to debate the first challenge to an entire state's slate of electors since the federal Electoral Count law was enacted in 1877. In short, there is more than an abundant record raising serious, substantive questions about the Ohio presidential election.

It is also noteworthy that the Ohio Secretary of State intentionally delayed certifying the vote, thereby insuring that the recount could not be completed by the date the electoral college met on December 13. The Ohio Secretary State also refused to respond to numerous questions regarding the irregularities submitted to him by several members of the House Judiciary Committee, has refused to respond to a single concern set forth in the Judiciary Report, and also sought a protective order to avoid any discovery related to the legal challenges. In short, Ohio election officials have compounded public doubt concerning the election by refusing to provide any sort of accountability and acting in almost every respect as if they have "something to hide."

Given this context, and to help assure the public that you are not selectively pursuing sanctions in these cases for partisan reasons, I would respectfully request that you provide the House Judiciary Committee and the public with an itemization of all sanctions cases brought and considered by your office since January, 2003. In addition, I would ask that you provide to us and make public an itemization of cases you have considered and pursued under Ohio's campaign and election laws since January 2003. Finally, I would like to receive a an estimate of the costs you would expect to expend of Ohio taxpayer funds to pursue the sanction case you are seeking against Mr. Fitrakis, Susan Truitt, Cliff Arnebeck, and Peter Peckowsky.

If you believe the election challenge case should not have been brought, I would suggest the more appropriate course of actions may be revisiting the law with the Ohio legislature, rather than pursuing far-fetched sanction cases which on their face would appear to be overtly partisan in nature.

I would appreciate it if you would respond to me though my Judiciary Committee staff, Perry Apelbaum and Ted Kalo, 2142 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20515 (tel. 202-225-6504, fax 202-225-4423) by no later than January 27. Thank you.

Sincerely,

John Conyers, Jr.
Ranking Member
House Judiciary Committee

cc: Hon. F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr.
Chairman, House Committee on the Judiciary

Supreme Court, State of Ohio

Ohio Bar Association


You think they "popped their cork". HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 

slyedog

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yep, conyers is again right and the rest of the united states is wrong. get over it.
 

conjur

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Amazing the hypocrisy going on...on both sides, really.

Had Ohio gone that closely to Kerry, the Bushies would be ranting and raving (like they are in Washington state)
 

EagleKeeper

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Where is the information regarding the Sanctioning.


Notice that Conyers is also referencing a Democratic Staff report.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: conjur
Amazing the hypocrisy going on...on both sides, really.

Had Ohio gone that closely to Kerry, the Bushies would be ranting and raving (like they are in Washington state)
A state where an election is decided by 42 votes cant really be compared to a state where the election is decided by 119,000 (# From Columbus Dispatch) Even if everything in the conyers report is true, and every single vote he said was "lost", and 100% of them went for Kerry, that still leaves 100,000 more votes for Bush.

Nightline debunked all of the ohio conspiracy theories the other night. Even thier democratic pollsters said it was "ridiculous" to think the election could have went the other way in Ohio.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: conjur
Amazing the hypocrisy going on...on both sides, really.

Had Ohio gone that closely to Kerry, the Bushies would be ranting and raving (like they are in Washington state)
A state where an election is decided by 42 votes cant really be compared to a state where the election is decided by 119,000 (# From Columbus Dispatch) Even if everything in the conyers report is true, and every single vote he said was "lost", and 100% of them went for Kerry, that still leaves 100,000 more votes for Bush.

Nightline debunked all of the ohio conspiracy theories the other night. Even thier democratic pollsters said it was "ridiculous" to think the election could have went the other way in Ohio.

Oh you mean that whitewashing by Ted Koppel... LOL. And their numbers are just plain wrong. But this is about sanctioning of lawyers that did nothing wrong.
 

yllus

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Please, keep us updated on this complete waste of time.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: conjur
Amazing the hypocrisy going on...on both sides, really.

Had Ohio gone that closely to Kerry, the Bushies would be ranting and raving (like they are in Washington state)
A state where an election is decided by 42 votes cant really be compared to a state where the election is decided by 119,000 (# From Columbus Dispatch) Even if everything in the conyers report is true, and every single vote he said was "lost", and 100% of them went for Kerry, that still leaves 100,000 more votes for Bush.

Nightline debunked all of the ohio conspiracy theories the other night. Even thier democratic pollsters said it was "ridiculous" to think the election could have went the other way in Ohio.

Oh you mean that whitewashing by Ted Koppel... LOL. And their numbers are just plain wrong. But this is about sanctioning of lawyers that did nothing wrong.
numbers are just plain wrong? even the conyers report says a maximum of 30,000 would be generous. And the 119,000? gee thats only been verified by just about everybody.

 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Amazing the hypocrisy going on...on both sides, really.

Had Ohio gone that closely to Kerry, the Bushies would be ranting and raving (like they are in Washington state)

Wisconsin did go to Kerry, and much closer (11,000 votes). The Republicans are investigating some of the problems there but they aren't ranting and making a massive stir of things like the BS the Dumbocrats are pulling in Ohio.

Unsurprisingly, the same partisan shills who claim Ohio is only about ensuring a proper voting process ;), and not slinging mud and FUD, are completely absent from any participation in Wisconsin. Call it - Silence of the Cheesiest.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: conjur
Amazing the hypocrisy going on...on both sides, really.

Had Ohio gone that closely to Kerry, the Bushies would be ranting and raving (like they are in Washington state)
What was the last tally in WA? Double digits even? That's not quite the same as six digits' difference that occurred in OH, and I hear a lot more about OH than I do about WA.