San Francisco Shuns Retired USS Iowa as Museum Piece

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Now this is just fscking stupid.

San Francisco Shuns Retired USS Iowa
By BRIAN SKOLOFF, AP

SAN FRANCISCO (Aug. 20) - The USS Iowa joined in battles from World War II to Korea to the Persian Gulf. It carried President Franklin Roosevelt home from the Teheran conference of allied leaders, and four decades later, suffered one of the nation's most deadly military accidents.

Veterans groups and history buffs had hoped that tourists in San Francisco could walk the same teak decks where sailors dodged Japanese machine-gun fire and fired 16-inch guns that helped win battles across the South Pacific.

Instead, it appears that the retired battleship is headed about 80 miles inland, to Stockton, a gritty agricultural port town on the San Joaquin River and home of California's annual asparagus festival.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., a former San Francisco mayor, helped secure $3 million to tow the Iowa from Rhode Island to the Bay Area in 2001 in hopes of making touristy Fisherman's Wharf its new home.

But city supervisors voted 8-3 last month to oppose taking in the ship, citing local opposition to the Iraq war and the military's stance on gays, among other things.

"If I was going to commit any kind of money in recognition of war, then it should be toward peace, given what our war is in Iraq right now," Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi said.

Feinstein called it a "very petty decision."

"This isn't the San Francisco that I've known and loved and grew up in and was born in," Feinstein said.

San Francisco's maritime museum already has one military vessel - the USS Pampanito, an attack submarine that sank six Japanese ships during World War II and has about 110,000 visitors a year.

Officials in Stockton couldn't be happier. They've offered a dock on the river, a 90,000-square-foot waterfront building and a parking area, and hope to attract at least 125,000 annual visitors.

After the Korean war, the Iowa was decommissioned and placed in reserve in a Philadelphia shipyard for three decades. In 1988, it was recalled to duty escorting oil supply ships safely in and out danger in the Persian Gulf. In 1989, 47 sailors were killed in an explosion that tore through a gun turret during a training exercise.

The warship, decommissioned by the Navy in 1990, is currently anchored with a mothballed fleet in Suisun Bay, near the mouth of the San Joaquin-Sacramento River Delta.

San Francisco's rejection of such a storied battleship is a slap in the nation's face, said Douglass Wilhoit, head of Stockton's Chamber of Commerce.

"We're lucky our men and women have sacrificed their lives ... to protect our freedom," Wilhoit said. "Wherever you stand on the war in Iraq ... you shouldn't make a decision based on philosophy."

Rep. Richard W. Pombo, R-Calif., has sponsored legislation authorizing the ship's permanent move to Stockton. Feinstein has countered with a bill to open bidding to any California city.

The two versions will have to be reconciled by a House-Senate conference committee considering the Pentagon spending bill.
 

DaveSimmons

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This probably belongs in P&N, but notice:
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., a former San Francisco mayor, helped secure $3 million to tow the Iowa from Rhode Island to the Bay Area in 2001 in hopes of making touristy Fisherman's Wharf its new home.

But city supervisors voted 8-3 last month to oppose taking in the ship, citing local opposition to the Iraq war and the military's stance on gays, among other things.

"If I was going to commit any kind of money in recognition of war, then it should be toward peace, given what our war is in Iraq right now," Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi said.

Feinstein called it a "very petty decision."
This isn't a Dems -vs.- Repubs conflict, it's all sane people vs. the ultra-PC weasels running San Fran.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Maybe the Iowa can lob a few shells into the city on its way past...

Yeah, really.

When I first saw this news earlier today, I renamed the city San France-isco.
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Maybe the Iowa can lob a few shells into the city on its way past...

Yeah, really.

When I first saw this news earlier today, I renamed the city San France-isco.

Give me a list of 5 things France has done to piss you off before you vomit more jingoistic trash all over the place.

I mean seriously wtf does that have to do with this at all?
 

Banana

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WW2 ships are surprisingly underwhelming. They look bigger in books and video than in real life.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Maybe the Iowa can lob a few shells into the city on its way past...

Yeah, really.

When I first saw this news earlier today, I renamed the city San France-isco.

Give me a list of 5 things France has done to piss you off before you vomit more jingoistic trash all over the place.

I mean seriously wtf does that have to do with this at all?

To be honest, I like France. France is cool. They did nuclear tests on the 50th anniversary of Hiroshima. They used special forces soldiers against GREENPEACE. France rocks.

But that doesn't mean I won't use and abuse stereotypical opinion as much as possible.
 

RedCOMET

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Maybe the Iowa can lob a few shells into the city on its way past...

Yeah, really.

When I first saw this news earlier today, I renamed the city San France-isco.

LOL, I like the rename.

I shipo with that much history on it should be shared with the public, so that we can better understand our history, let it be peace or war.

Heck, USS Consitution is docked in Massachusetts, but I'm sure that people that are descendants of British Loyalist don't find that offensive.
 

Riceball

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SF already has the USS Pampanito docked at it's port. It's not a very big tourist attraction, more people visit the historic clipper ships found nearby.
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: Banana
WW2 ships are surprisingly underwhelming. They look bigger in books and video than in real life.

Ever been on an Iowa-class ship? It still impresses. I toured the Iowa when she was still in the fleet and on a visit to New York harbor. They really are a sight to behold.
 

Baked

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Because we have better things to do than tour old floating junk metal.
 

Riceball

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Originally posted by: Baked
Because we have better things to do than tour old floating junk metal.

Now that is harsh.

Stockton wants the ship, SF doesn't, so let stockton have her and everyone is happy, except feinstein.

 

IronWing

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Talk about a white elephant. Thunmbs up to San Francisco for turning down a money pit and saving the taxpayers some major bucks.

Hmm, wonder if Stockton will let visitors fire the guns....cooool.
 

zoiks

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They should tow it to Hickville for all I care. Feinstein is one of the democratic senators who was pushing for the war and benefited from it greatly.
 

Riceball

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Originally posted by: ironwing
Talk about a white elephant. Thunmbs up to San Francisco for turning down a money pit and saving the taxpayers some major bucks.

Hmm, wonder if Stockton will let visitors fire the guns....cooool.

The ship is currrently losing money docked across the bay in oakland.

 

GoingUp

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Maybe the Iowa can lob a few shells into the city on its way past...

Yeah, really.

When I first saw this news earlier today, I renamed the city San France-isco.

Agreed. What a bunch of wankers.
 

DanTMWTMP

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Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Maybe the Iowa can lob a few shells into the city on its way past...

Yeah, really.

When I first saw this news earlier today, I renamed the city San France-isco.

Agreed. What a bunch of wankers.

hahaha :thumbsup: well, i guess it's mainly berkeley who's like that however.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Riceball
Originally posted by: Baked
Because we have better things to do than tour old floating junk metal.

Now that is harsh.

Stockton wants the ship, SF doesn't, so let stockton have her and everyone is happy, except feinstein.



no cept the people. who the f*ck wants to go to stockton to visit a ship. thats a deal killer.
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: Riceball
SF already has the USS Pampanito docked at it's port. It's not a very big tourist attraction, more people visit the historic clipper ships found nearby.

The Pampanito is tucked off in a little corner that its easy to pass by without noticing it. Its also sadly for some reason looks more like a piece of junk than the older clipper ships. I've been on it. If I get to choose between seeing the Pampanito and the Iowa, i would choose the Iowa.