San Francisco school board to ban JROTC in high school

[daniel49]

not suprising. SF is a stronghold for the progressive wackos.
Since they want to be so anti military, I propose we let them defend themselves.
Send any military contracts up the coast we will be happy to take them.
Go Seahawks kick some 49' er butt this weekend.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Citrix
come clean with what? that link i posted says the same EXACT thing as all the links that K1052 posted. :roll:

1/10 in trying to flame me.

Come clean that you are a freeper. Who are exactly like those Democratic Underground wankers, only on the other end of the spectrum. How's the echo chamber of ideas over there? Also, you've managed to come clean about the fact that you have no idea what the ACLU does or what their positions are.

It is easier to label him a freeper than debate the topic at hand obviously.

yea know, typical liberal BS. cant argue any valid points? start with the label crap. :roll:

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie
I thought Palehorse was physically ill. How can you post when you're physically ill?

Treason, I say! Hang him!

physically ill? what u talkin' 'bout Willis?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Citrix
Link

oh where is the ACLU on this? Im pretty sure if the school board voted to ban a gay club they would be there in a heart beat. The thing is, 1800 kids CHOOSE to be part of the JROTC program, nobody is forced.

un-fricken believable. :|


SAN FRANCISCO public schools have problems, but a popular military-themed program isn't one of them.

Still, a four-vote majority of the seven-member Board of Education is likely this week to cancel the Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps classes. The justifications are predictable: School leaders must stand up to the Pentagon's half-baked "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gay service members, and to the war in Iraq.

This blunderbuss sloganeering fits snugly with an advisory vote last year barring military recruiting at schools. But the reasoning, compelling as it sounds to progressive San Francisco, is inadequate. The high-flown arguments fall apart when drill-and-discipline JROTC basics are examined.

Sorry, adults, but kids love this program as if it's family. There are 1,600 students enrolled in the classes, which fulfill physical-ed requirements. Punctuality, teamwork and camaraderie are the hallmarks. There, military drill competitions are as popular as football games. There are no weapons, just sticks and flags used in marching.

Some JROTC members go on to serve in the military, but the vast majority don't, seeing the classes as an enjoyable experience and a chance to learn new things: map-reading, leadership skills and self-discipline that goes with military-style assignments and crisp uniforms.

Myths need to be dispelled. Most students leave JROTC by their senior year, suggesting it's not much of a recruiting tool. The bills are minimal -- $1 million for salaries out of a school budget of $356 million.

Some anti-JROTC school board members want to sub the program with a morale-building alternative. School bands? International affairs clubs? Civics organizations? Maybe some of it would work, but no one has offered an alternative as coherent and well-run as JROTC.

Why do you care what Frisco is doing? How does it effect you in the least?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Proving those actions didn't phase anyone.

That's partly because many of you elitist pukes actually agree with what Kerry initially said.

Where do you get off calling other people elitist? You think people who don't agree with you are anti-American traitors who need to be killed. How much more elitist (not to mention psycho) do you have to get?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I'm glad they did it. I feel bad for some of those kids that get misdirected into the military and end up in Iraq. Some of them real bright and can use their ability for truly useful things in society

Mr. Kerry, is that you?

Your elitist bullsh*t attitude makes me physically sick.

as for this move by the council in SF, those councilman should be hung for their treasonous anti-American behavoir. Banning JROTC!? yes, that's it, being intolerant is surely the best response when protesting against intolerance...uhh, ya.

My guess is that whatever program they come up with to replace it will include the wearing of red berets...

AFAIC, we should be dropping maps on northwest Pakistan marked with a dashed line laying out a path to SF with a big huge red "X" over the city... Next to the "X," in Pashtu and in Arabic, it should read "place bomb here... please"

screw that city.

Boy am I glad people like you are the minority in the military (although I have increasing doubts about whether or not you actually have ever put on a uniform). Inviting the enemy to attack Americans and advocating the government killing other Americans because you don't personally agree with their views...what the fvck country do you think this is? We'd be a lot better off without bullshit like that in the military at all...that's the kind of medieval attitude we're fighting AGAINST, remember?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Proving those actions didn't phase anyone.

That's partly because many of you elitist pukes actually agree with what Kerry initially said.

Where do you get off calling other people elitist? You think people who don't agree with you are anti-American traitors who need to be killed. How much more elitist (not to mention psycho) do you have to get?

that's not true. Steppinthrax has consistently proven that he thinks he's "better" than everyone in the military. The day he threw his e-peen on the table and tried to compare his list of college degrees with mine is the day he showed his elitism... his true nature. Time and again he has scoffed at the entire military and labeled all of us "morons."

therefore the word "elitist" is most accurate.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I'm glad they did it. I feel bad for some of those kids that get misdirected into the military and end up in Iraq. Some of them real bright and can use their ability for truly useful things in society

Mr. Kerry, is that you?

Your elitist bullsh*t attitude makes me physically sick.

as for this move by the council in SF, those councilman should be hung for their treasonous anti-American behavoir. Banning JROTC!? yes, that's it, being intolerant is surely the best response when protesting against intolerance...uhh, ya.

My guess is that whatever program they come up with to replace it will include the wearing of red berets...

AFAIC, we should be dropping maps on northwest Pakistan marked with a dashed line laying out a path to SF with a big huge red "X" over the city... Next to the "X," in Pashtu and in Arabic, it should read "place bomb here... please"

screw that city.

Boy am I glad people like you are the minority in the military (although I have increasing doubts about whether or not you actually have ever put on a uniform). Inviting the enemy to attack Americans and advocating the government killing other Americans because you don't personally agree with their views...what the fvck country do you think this is? We'd be a lot better off without bullshit like that in the military at all...that's the kind of medieval attitude we're fighting AGAINST, remember?

It was also nothing more than a humorous exageration... go take your meds Rainie.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Citrix

WTF is a freeper?

Freepers

"Freepers," as Free Republic's active users are called, will assemble at a predetermined location with signs and banners which are generally designed and hand-drawn by individual members.

There are local chapters within Free Republic which are organized through ping lists, e-mail, and Free Republic mail.

The more active chapters organize live protests, which they call "Freeps."

Often these are counter protests, as responses to protests by groups whom they oppose.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I'm glad they did it. I feel bad for some of those kids that get misdirected into the military and end up in Iraq. Some of them real bright and can use their ability for truly useful things in society

Mr. Kerry, is that you?

Your elitist bullsh*t attitude makes me physically sick.

as for this move by the council in SF, those councilman should be hung for their treasonous anti-American behavoir. Banning JROTC!? yes, that's it, being intolerant is surely the best response when protesting against intolerance...uhh, ya.

My guess is that whatever program they come up with to replace it will include the wearing of red berets...

AFAIC, we should be dropping maps on northwest Pakistan marked with a dashed line laying out a path to SF with a big huge red "X" over the city... Next to the "X," in Pashtu and in Arabic, it should read "place bomb here... please"

screw that city.

Boy am I glad people like you are the minority in the military (although I have increasing doubts about whether or not you actually have ever put on a uniform). Inviting the enemy to attack Americans and advocating the government killing other Americans because you don't personally agree with their views...what the fvck country do you think this is? We'd be a lot better off without bullshit like that in the military at all...that's the kind of medieval attitude we're fighting AGAINST, remember?

It was also nothing more than a humorous exageration... go take your meds Rainie.

Making an ass out of yourself is humorous? Pathetic yes but funny no.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Citrix
come clean with what? that link i posted says the same EXACT thing as all the links that K1052 posted. :roll:

1/10 in trying to flame me.

Come clean that you are a freeper. Who are exactly like those Democratic Underground wankers, only on the other end of the spectrum. How's the echo chamber of ideas over there? Also, you've managed to come clean about the fact that you have no idea what the ACLU does or what their positions are.

It is easier to label him a freeper than debate the topic at hand obviously.

If the shoe fits - wear it. I don't post stupid crap from the DU (or any other extremist site) and I expect that you folks on the right would extend the same courtesy.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Citrix
we are not talking about the military who does ban gays, we are talking about JROTC who does not, cant you read there are GAY KIDS IN JROTC. im not glossing over anything, do you hate our military that much???

First, are you really that dense? The JROTC and the military are the same thing. It's a recruitment tool that allows military recruiters to operate on campus at will. Who TF decided that individual campuses don't get to decide whether they want their kids subjected to recruitment techniques or not? Instead the federal gov't is just forcing this crap down everyone's throats.

Secondly, I'd like a link to the fact that there are gays in JROTC. I've reviewed the linked articles in this thread and didn't see anything about that.

Thirdly, you sit there and bitch about being "labeled" and then throw this little logical fallacy out there? "...do you hate our military that much???"

Oh yeah dude, you got me, I obviously hate the military. Get a grip. :roll:

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Citrix
come clean with what? that link i posted says the same EXACT thing as all the links that K1052 posted. :roll:

1/10 in trying to flame me.

Come clean that you are a freeper. Who are exactly like those Democratic Underground wankers, only on the other end of the spectrum. How's the echo chamber of ideas over there? Also, you've managed to come clean about the fact that you have no idea what the ACLU does or what their positions are.

It is easier to label him a freeper than debate the topic at hand obviously.

If the shoe fits - wear it. I don't post stupid crap from the DU (or any other extremist site) and I expect that you folks on the right would extend the same courtesy.

Get over yourself. This thread had plenty of non-freeper links posted if you bothered to look. Instead you decided this debate is one you cant win in your own mind and will attack the source instead.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Get over yourself. This thread had plenty of non-freeper links posted if you bothered to look. Instead you decided this debate is one you cant win in your own mind and will attack the source instead.

That's not the point. Which you would have understood perfectly well had the link been to some far-left extremist blog or the DU or some such crap. It certainly broadcasts loud and clear where the OP is coming from. Furthermore, it's pretty obvious the freepers think its amusing to visit P&N. Honestly, I don't care as it makes for more interesting debate, I'd just prefer a straight fight to all this sneaking around.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Proving those actions didn't phase anyone.

That's partly because many of you elitist pukes actually agree with what Kerry initially said.

Where do you get off calling other people elitist? You think people who don't agree with you are anti-American traitors who need to be killed. How much more elitist (not to mention psycho) do you have to get?

that's not true. Steppinthrax has consistently proven that he thinks he's "better" than everyone in the military. The day he threw his e-peen on the table and tried to compare his list of college degrees with mine is the day he showed his elitism... his true nature. Time and again he has scoffed at the entire military and labeled all of us "morons."

therefore the word "elitist" is most accurate.

Maybe you're right, maybe he IS an elitist...but so are you...

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Citrix
we are not talking about the military who does ban gays, we are talking about JROTC who does not, cant you read there are GAY KIDS IN JROTC. im not glossing over anything, do you hate our military that much???

First, are you really that dense? The JROTC and the military are the same thing. It's a recruitment tool that allows military recruiters to operate on campus at will. Who TF decided that individual campuses don't get to decide whether they want their kids subjected to recruitment techniques or not? Instead the federal gov't is just forcing this crap down everyone's throats.

Secondly, I'd like a link to the fact that there are gays in JROTC. I've reviewed the linked articles in this thread and didn't see anything about that.

Thirdly, you sit there and bitch about being "labeled" and then throw this little logical fallacy out there? "...do you hate our military that much???"

Oh yeah dude, you got me, I obviously hate the military. Get a grip. :roll:

No they are not the same thing!!! and now you call names. nice debating skills....

anyway here is a link for you, i found one similar on FOXNEWS but decided to post one from a source you would actually read and hopefully with some comprehension.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/11/05/MNGMHM6I4R1.DTL

here is a copy & paste if you glaze over it.

The commander

Talen doesn't spend much time at his family's sixth-floor apartment in the Tenderloin. Some days, he doesn't spend much time at school. He was a stellar student but his grades now suffer from unexcused absences and missed homework assignments. Yet he nearly always attends his last class.

He is the Echo Company commander, the top cadet in sixth period, with a promotion to first or second lieutenant expected soon. He is also gay.

"I came out to my mom when I was 12," he said during after-school drills on his 16th birthday last month. He thought the last four years would have given his family time to adjust. Full acceptance never came. His relationships with his mother and stepfather are tense. He was trying to build a relationship with his birth dad when he recently dropped out of sight, his phone disconnected, his whereabouts unknown, Talen said.

should I continue or have you had enough?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I'm glad they did it. I feel bad for some of those kids that get misdirected into the military and end up in Iraq. Some of them real bright and can use their ability for truly useful things in society

Mr. Kerry, is that you?

Your elitist bullsh*t attitude makes me physically sick.

as for this move by the council in SF, those councilman should be hung for their treasonous anti-American behavoir. Banning JROTC!? yes, that's it, being intolerant is surely the best response when protesting against intolerance...uhh, ya.

My guess is that whatever program they come up with to replace it will include the wearing of red berets...

AFAIC, we should be dropping maps on northwest Pakistan marked with a dashed line laying out a path to SF with a big huge red "X" over the city... Next to the "X," in Pashtu and in Arabic, it should read "place bomb here... please"

screw that city.

Boy am I glad people like you are the minority in the military (although I have increasing doubts about whether or not you actually have ever put on a uniform). Inviting the enemy to attack Americans and advocating the government killing other Americans because you don't personally agree with their views...what the fvck country do you think this is? We'd be a lot better off without bullshit like that in the military at all...that's the kind of medieval attitude we're fighting AGAINST, remember?

It was also nothing more than a humorous exageration... go take your meds Rainie.

Really? You say stuff like that ALL the time...are you always just joking around? In any case, I'm not sure that's really very funny...

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Citrix
we are not talking about the military who does ban gays, we are talking about JROTC who does not, cant you read there are GAY KIDS IN JROTC. im not glossing over anything, do you hate our military that much???

First, are you really that dense? The JROTC and the military are the same thing. It's a recruitment tool that allows military recruiters to operate on campus at will. Who TF decided that individual campuses don't get to decide whether they want their kids subjected to recruitment techniques or not? Instead the federal gov't is just forcing this crap down everyone's throats.

Secondly, I'd like a link to the fact that there are gays in JROTC. I've reviewed the linked articles in this thread and didn't see anything about that.

Thirdly, you sit there and bitch about being "labeled" and then throw this little logical fallacy out there? "...do you hate our military that much???"

Oh yeah dude, you got me, I obviously hate the military. Get a grip. :roll:

No they are not the same thing!!! and now you call names. nice debating skills....

anyway here is a link for you, i found one similar on FOXNEWS but decided to post one from a source you would actually read and hopefully with some comprehension.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/11/05/MNGMHM6I4R1.DTL

here is a copy & paste if you glaze over it.

The commander

Talen doesn't spend much time at his family's sixth-floor apartment in the Tenderloin. Some days, he doesn't spend much time at school. He was a stellar student but his grades now suffer from unexcused absences and missed homework assignments. Yet he nearly always attends his last class.

He is the Echo Company commander, the top cadet in sixth period, with a promotion to first or second lieutenant expected soon. He is also gay.

"I came out to my mom when I was 12," he said during after-school drills on his 16th birthday last month. He thought the last four years would have given his family time to adjust. Full acceptance never came. His relationships with his mother and stepfather are tense. He was trying to build a relationship with his birth dad when he recently dropped out of sight, his phone disconnected, his whereabouts unknown, Talen said.

should I continue or have you had enough?

One gay kid and suddenly the JROTC is gay-friendly? What makes you think he wasn't asked and/or didn't tell? The fact is, the funding for JROTC just like ROTC programs, comes from the Army. Are you claiming there's no connection here? Unbelievable.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Citrix
we are not talking about the military who does ban gays, we are talking about JROTC who does not, cant you read there are GAY KIDS IN JROTC. im not glossing over anything, do you hate our military that much???

First, are you really that dense? The JROTC and the military are the same thing. It's a recruitment tool that allows military recruiters to operate on campus at will. Who TF decided that individual campuses don't get to decide whether they want their kids subjected to recruitment techniques or not? Instead the federal gov't is just forcing this crap down everyone's throats.

Secondly, I'd like a link to the fact that there are gays in JROTC. I've reviewed the linked articles in this thread and didn't see anything about that.

Thirdly, you sit there and bitch about being "labeled" and then throw this little logical fallacy out there? "...do you hate our military that much???"

Oh yeah dude, you got me, I obviously hate the military. Get a grip. :roll:

No they are not the same thing!!! and now you call names. nice debating skills....

anyway here is a link for you, i found one similar on FOXNEWS but decided to post one from a source you would actually read and hopefully with some comprehension.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/11/05/MNGMHM6I4R1.DTL

here is a copy & paste if you glaze over it.

The commander

Talen doesn't spend much time at his family's sixth-floor apartment in the Tenderloin. Some days, he doesn't spend much time at school. He was a stellar student but his grades now suffer from unexcused absences and missed homework assignments. Yet he nearly always attends his last class.

He is the Echo Company commander, the top cadet in sixth period, with a promotion to first or second lieutenant expected soon. He is also gay.

"I came out to my mom when I was 12," he said during after-school drills on his 16th birthday last month. He thought the last four years would have given his family time to adjust. Full acceptance never came. His relationships with his mother and stepfather are tense. He was trying to build a relationship with his birth dad when he recently dropped out of sight, his phone disconnected, his whereabouts unknown, Talen said.

should I continue or have you had enough?

One gay kid and suddenly the JROTC is gay-friendly? What makes you think he wasn't asked and/or didn't tell? The fact is, the funding for JROTC just like ROTC programs, comes from the Army. Are you claiming there's no connection here? Unbelievable.

Dude why cant you just give up? I wish you would, my sword arm is getting tired and my blade is getting dull from cutting your ridiculous logic to shreds.

 

[DealMonkey]

Sorry Citrix, I just don't see your side in this. The school boards should get to decide for themselves whether JROTC or ROTC should be a part of their schools or not rather than being forced into it by the federal government who's only interested in making recruitment goals. I'm sure a lot of parents agree and don't want their kids subjected to military recruitment efforts no matter how thinly-veiled. So what do you have left in your "vast arsenal" of "logical attacks?" There's one gay kid in JROTC so it must be OK? Puh-lease ... don't flatter yourself.