So let me get this straight the millions of demo votes who put dems in the house and senate (also the majority) are now elitist. I think you use that term too loosely. Is that the only method of debating you arrive to? When the going gets tough you use derogatory language and insult your opponent. This is not called debating.
So let me get this straight the millions of demo votes who put dems in the house and senate (also the majority) are now elitist. I think you use that term too loosely. Is that the only method of debating you arrive to? When the going gets tough you use derogatory language and insult your opponent. This is not called debating.
I've noticed there's three facts, which politicians can never state, as it would be political suicide
-Politicians can't point out the fact that parents are responsible for their children's dismal education.
-They can't point out that the war on drugs is a monumental failure.
-They can't point out that soldiers tend to be poor and educated, they must instead be referred to as selfless noble warriors.
And to think you people are always decrying political correctness. That's nice, except you howl like mad whenever anybody says something politically incorrect aimed at you.
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This isn't about the Iraq war, which I never thought was a good idea to begin with.
This is about you insulting the people who join the military by claiming they are all stupid/desperate and that nobody smart (given other options) would join. The military goes and fights at the direction of the civilian government (President and Congress). How bout you save you insults for them instead?
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http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov15/0,4670,JuniorROTC,00.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c.../14/state/n232322S23.DTL&type=politics
http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=1332
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/11/15/18330149.php
http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?na...h=/channels/families&date=2006/11/15/1
google does work
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I have more respect for the jerks who might say "I think the military is for idiots" than for those who consistently try to talk out of both sides of their mouth (ie, Kerry and this Steppinthrax guy), while their truer beliefs are obvious to everyone.
If you observe my posts here for any length of time, you will notice that I have no problem saying exactly what's on my mind. I have very little respect, if any, for those who do not.
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google does work
Yes, but its the posters responsibility to post the links.
Anyway it is explained far more clearly in the news link.
Like many, many parts of the country school systems have regulations barring organizations that discriminate from meeting on school grounds. These rules are why we don't have the American Nazi Party club or the like in our schools.
Like many of the States, Cities and Counties and Towns in America San Francisco includes gay people in their non-discrimination laws. Therefore the school district HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO NOT ALLOW JROTC TO USE SCHOOL GROUNDS OR SCHOOL RESOURCES.
As a former ROTC member myself I have sympathy for the kids who want to be in the JROTC, but thats the price we pay in a democracy to keep hatred out of our schools. If we let in the JROTC than the Nazis, Feministas, etc would have to be allowed too.
And I don't want my money, or kids to force fed that stuff.
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Um, you have to sign up voluntarily for the program and it requires parental consent. How exactly is that force feeding?
Gays could (and did openly) participate in the JROTC as well if you actually read the articles.
This is a badly thought out knee-jerk response to their disatisfaction with the war/president and it hurts nobody but themselves. Kinda sad really.
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WTF are you talking about? JROTC doesnt bar anybody from joining, thare are openly gay students in the program. so what hatred are you talking about by associating the JROTC with the Nazi party? very poor taste lumping the JROTC with the Nazi party dude. are you saying they are Bush Youth (aka Hitler Youth)?
Interesting that your link is to the Free Republic. Not exactly a source of news, or even unbiased commentary, but hey at least you've come clean about it. :roll:
As for the ACLU, why would they help you? The federal government undermines university policies and state laws that ban discrimination based on sexual orientation by threatening to cut off student financial aid. Further, they prevent schools from deciding for themselves whether to allow military recruiters and ROTC programs on campus. The ACLU has come out against this financial extortion used against schools and universities.
And I don't blame 'em.
How does this hurt San Francisco in any way? This has nothing to do with No Child Left Behind. The provision you are all thinking of has to do with military recruiters, not some stupid JROTC program. Is what they are doing just a ham handed way to protest Iraq? Sure... it doesn't hurt their constituents though.
Palehorse, you need to chill out though. I like how your solution to intolerance is to call for the hanging and bombing of the intolerant.
I don't get why people think that you need to be pro-military in this country. It is not anti-American to think that our military sucks and is a huge waste of lives and money. Jingoism is a bad thing, not some symbol of patriotism. The glorification of our military isn't a pro-america thing, it's protofascism.
Palehorse, you need to chill out though. I like how your solution to intolerance is to call for the hanging and bombing of the intolerant.
I don't get why people think that you need to be pro-military in this country. It is not anti-American to think that our military sucks and is a huge waste of lives and money. Jingoism is a bad thing, not some symbol of patriotism. The glorification of our military isn't a pro-america thing, it's protofascism.
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Oh piss off, all you do is go around saying others should be tried for treason because they don't agree with you. I have respect for the Military, that's why it's so annoying that jerks like you take it upon yourself to speak for them.
BTW, when I was in High School those who joined the ROTC mostly did so to get out of the rigors of gym or were Special Education Students, not necessarily the ones the Services would want leading the troops into battle. Hopefully things have changed in the last 35 years.
Come clean that you are a freeper. Who are exactly like those Democratic Underground wankers, only on the other end of the spectrum. How's the echo chamber of ideas over there? Also, you've managed to come clean about the fact that you have no idea what the ACLU does or what their positions are.
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all of you are missing the #1 point: 1600 student who chose to participate in the JROTC program, and loved it, will be directly effected by this bullsh*t. For many of them, this was their way of escaping the ghetto or bettering themselves. The SF city council has now taken that away without remorse; all in some lame attempt to give our great military and our Federal Government the middle finger.
That some of you are able to sit there and justify this blatant injustice is beyond me.
That some of you are able to sit there and justify this blatant injustice is beyond me.
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WTF is a freeper?
so answer me this? if a gay group, hispanic group, asian group was banned by the school board, would the ACLU respond? If so why not for the JROTC who has kids in it from all races, ethnicities, sexual orientation, gender... isnt their civil liberties being stomped on by the school board just as much as if one of those other groups got banned?
EDIT: i just googled freeper and im not even close. for your information im a card carrying member of the Libertarian party.
Maybe some people think that there are other after school programs that students could participate that don't include being militarily indoctrinated... which is why they don't weep for this program's demise.
I agree with you though... if kids want to sign up for that crap it's not really hurting anyone, so why not? I don't like JROTC programs, but there are a lot of programs that sort of annoy me.
I did happen to notice something though. Are you implying that kids that join JROTC are predominantly poor and underpriveledged? Does this only apply to paramilitary offshoots of the military?
It does irritate me that people who usually preach diversity and inclusiveness are trying to kill a club they don't like. (then again, it is also highly amusing that people who defend a group which prides itself on its homophobia is crying that it is being discriminated against.)
I agree with you though... if kids want to sign up for that crap it's not really hurting anyone, so why not? I don't like JROTC programs, but there are a lot of programs that sort of annoy me.
I did happen to notice something though. Are you implying that kids that join JROTC are predominantly poor and underpriveledged? Does this only apply to paramilitary offshoots of the military?
It does irritate me that people who usually preach diversity and inclusiveness are trying to kill a club they don't like. (then again, it is also highly amusing that people who defend a group which prides itself on its homophobia is crying that it is being discriminated against.)
Actually citrix, not necessarily. Schools have the right to ban clubs that promote ideas that the school deems offensive, destructive, etc. (That's why you can't have a "Kill all the Jews" club or something.
Race, sexuality and gender are genetic issues and are completely separate.
If you look at the ACLU's MO, it's pretty easy to understand where they are on this one. They tend to take cases for people and groups that don't have the resources to defend themselves. The military has more then enough resources to challenge this if they choose to.
Race, sexuality and gender are genetic issues and are completely separate.
If you look at the ACLU's MO, it's pretty easy to understand where they are on this one. They tend to take cases for people and groups that don't have the resources to defend themselves. The military has more then enough resources to challenge this if they choose to.
You seem to be conveniently glossing over the fact that the military itself discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation. So now you're insisting that a group that discriminates be able to operate with impunity on our nation's college and high school campuses? WTF?
Not only that, as much as Palehorsie and yourself enjoy painting the ROTC as nothing but a fun-loving bunch of folks who merely want to improve themselves, the reality is that the military recruiters are there for one reason and one reason only: to fill empty spots in Iraq.
I thought Palehorse was physically ill. How can you post when you're physically ill?
Treason, I say! Hang him!
Treason, I say! Hang him!
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