San Francisco Cop Attacks Man for Recording, Jails him Overnight on No Charges

[zinfamous]

Are you blind, or are you just going to ignore the fact that the man was already ordered to leave the airport and failed to comply?

cop: xBiff--I order you to strip naked and drink this galon of bleach
xBiff: Yessir. must. comply. must respect. must. yessir.

 

[emperus]

Are you blind, or are you just going to ignore the fact that the man was already ordered to leave the airport and failed to comply?

When he turns and walks away, what does that mean to you? He didn't comply? What, did he not walk fast enough for the cop.

Again, it doesn't matter, he came to get the cops info and file a complaint and he turned around to leave. The cops purpose is to maintain peace and order. How does tackling a man who is walking away form you accomplish that.

Geez, think.. Again, Idiots like you are the reason cops get away with this bullshit.

 

[glenn1]

A lot of you on here scare the shit out of me. It is like you are bred to be subjugated. And it's people like you that are empaneled on these juries that give these cops the free reign to do this kind of bullshit.

From the video we saw, no matter what he said to the cop or the cop said to him prior to the arrest, the moment he turned around to walk away, there is no reason for the cop to tackle and arrest him. If there are any other facts that come out, then you can argue then, but to come to the defense of this cop based on this video is asinine.

Btw, if you know any cop who you can speak to candidly, ask them what happens to people who ask for their id's... Maybe, you'll change ur opinion of this incident then.

I'll agree with you, but not blindly. Currently we only have some inconclusive video footage and the statement from a probable drunk. Just like with the other recent "police brutality" cases there could well be additional facts which come to light which provide a fuller understanding of events and that the supposed "victim" of brutality had a big hand in his own ass-kicking. If (and that's a big "IF") this article tells the complete story I'll agree with you, but I have the feeling that other shoes will drop and the actual story will be a bit more complex.

 

[rudeguy]

When he turns and walks away, what does that mean to you? He didn't comply? What, did he not walk fast enough for the cop.

Again, it doesn't matter, he came to get the cops info and file a complaint and he turned around to leave. The cops purpose is to maintain peace and order. How does tackling a man who is walking away form you accomplish that.

Geez, think.. Again, Idiots like you are the reason cops get away with this bullshit.

He's not just an idiot, he's also a pussy.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Even if a cop says to you "Sir, can you please leave?" you should treat that as an order and not a question.

Except that ISN'T an order. If those are the EXACT words, he is ASKING you to. You're free to say "I'd prefer not to"; if at that point they arrest you, it's a slam dunk in court when you sue them for damages (as long as the damages are reasonable.)

If they say "Can you please leave", you say "No, thanks" and then they say "You are trespassing then" or "Then I'm ordering you to leave" - then that's a different story. But "Can you please leave?" isn't an order, it's a question.

 

[emperus]

Little Story:

When I was in college I got arrested by my Campus Police who then took the unusual route of taking me to the local police station and had me locked me up for a night. My infraction, disorderly conduct, or in other words the infraction of asking a cop for his badge number after what I believed was an obvious racist incident. It was a big deal on my campus as I was generally liked by the administration.

Anyhow, a couple weeks ago, I was recounting the incident to a friend of mine who is a Sargent in my city police department. His response. "That's what happens when you ask a cop for his badge number". We are friends, but I was still shook at that candor and how deep the blue wall is. As if it is something that is routinely done and he didn't think there was anything wrong with it. It has made me reflect on our relationship..

Be warned.

 

[emperus]

I'll agree with you, but not blindly. Currently we only have some inconclusive video footage and the statement from a probable drunk. Just like with the other recent "police brutality" cases there could well be additional facts which come to light which provide a fuller understanding of events and that the supposed "victim" of brutality had a big hand in his own ass-kicking. If (and that's a big "IF") this article tells the complete story I'll agree with you, but I have the feeling that other shoes will drop and the actual story will be a bit more complex.

Which would be fine and a point which I qualified my post with. But, you can't make any defense of this cop from the video we have seen so far.

 

[BoberFett]

People who think they can do whatever they want, without question and without consequences are what baffle me.

Oh, the irony.

 

[BoberFett]

Little Story:

When I was in college I got arrested by my Campus Police who then took the unusual route of taking me to the local police station and had me locked me up for a night. My infraction, disorderly conduct, or in other words the infraction of asking a cop for his badge number after what I believed was an obvious racist incident. It was a big deal on my campus as I was generally liked by the administration.

Anyhow, a couple weeks ago, I was recounting the incident to a friend of mine who is a Sargent in my city police department. His response. "That's what happens when you ask a cop for his badge number". We are friends, but I was still shook at that candor and how deep the blue wall is. As if it is something that is routinely done and he didn't think there was anything wrong with it. It has made me reflect on our relationship..

Be warned.

No such thing as a good cop.

 

[xBiffx]

When he turns and walks away, what does that mean to you? He didn't comply? What, did he not walk fast enough for the cop.

Again, it doesn't matter, he came to get the cops info and file a complaint and he turned around to leave. The cops purpose is to maintain peace and order. How does tackling a man who is walking away form you accomplish that.

Geez, think.. Again, Idiots like you are the reason cops get away with this bullshit.

The order was long given. You and others want to ignore it because it makes the cop look like he had no reason to arrest the guy. All the while ignoring the fact that the guy filming was an idiot for re-entering the airport against police order. The guy went looking for trouble and wouldn't you know, he found it.

 

[xBiffx]

Except that ISN'T an order. If those are the EXACT words, he is ASKING you to. You're free to say "I'd prefer not to"; if at that point they arrest you, it's a slam dunk in court when you sue them for damages (as long as the damages are reasonable.)

If they say "Can you please leave", you say "No, thanks" and then they say "You are trespassing then" or "Then I'm ordering you to leave" - then that's a different story. But "Can you please leave?" isn't an order, it's a question.

Tell that to a judge. Not me. Guarantee that's treated as an order, especially in this situation where the police were responding to a complaint.

The man left, he knew it was an order. There is no disputing that. But then he re-entered the airport. That made him subject to arrest.

 

[rudeguy]

The order was long given. You and others want to ignore it because it makes the cop look like he had no reason to arrest the guy. All the while ignoring the fact that the guy filming was an idiot for re-entering the airport against police order. The guy went looking for trouble and wouldn't you know, he found it.

You really have problems reading, don't you?

He never left the airport.
The cop had zero reason to make an arrest.
The cop had zero reason to use force.
Asking a cop his badge number is looking for trouble?

 

[rudeguy]

Tell that to a judge. Not me. Guarantee that's treated as an order, especially in this situation where the police were responding to a complaint.

The man left, he knew it was an order. There is no disputing that. But then he re-entered the airport. That made him subject to arrest.

Again...he never left the airport.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Tell that to a judge. Not me. Guarantee that's treated as an order, especially in this situation where the police were responding to a complaint.

The man left, he knew it was an order. There is no disputing that. But then he re-entered the airport. That made him subject to arrest.

News article states he didn't leave.

 

[xBiffx]

Again...he never left the airport.

News article states he didn't leave.

When Youmans told them he had not been drinking, six San Francisco cops marched up and ordered both men to leave the airport. Youmans walked away and was about to walk outside when he decided to return and make a complaint at the Southwest ticket booth.

You guys are right, he actually didn't leave. Not sure how that changes anything, however. But, I was wrong saying he did.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Again, they don't have to charge you with a crime to order you to leave.

In which case that would have been an unlawful order and could be ignored......if they ask you to leave you do not have to leave. Then they must charge you in order to arrest you. They cannot detain you for 72 hrs for no reason, just because you refused to obey the unlawful order to leave.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Now you are just being deliberately obtuse.

California is one of the broadest states for this type of law.


Quote:
148. (a) (1) Every person who willfully resists, delays, or obstructs any public officer, peace officer, or an emergency medical technician, as defined in Division 2.5 (commencing with Section 1797) of the Health and Safety Code, in the discharge or attempt to discharge any duty of his or her office or employment, when no other punishment is prescribed, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.

no relevance at all...something a littler kid would post.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Guarantee that's treated as an order, especially in this situation where the police were responding to a complaint.

The man left, he knew it was an order. There is no disputing that. But then he re-entered the airport. That made him subject to arrest.

Guaranteed that you not worth the time arguing with~!!

 

[rudeguy]

Guaranteed that you not worth the time arguing with~!!

I kind of like him. He doesn't give up and isn't afraid to argue.

 

[xBiffx]

In which case that would have been an unlawful order and could be ignored......if they ask you to leave you do not have to leave. Then they must charge you in order to arrest you. They cannot detain you for 72 hrs for no reason, just because you refused to obey the unlawful order to leave.

no relevance at all...something a littler kid would post.

I think you need to do a little homework. First of all, a cop can indeed arrest you for not following an order to vacate an area/place. Second, they don't have to charge you with anything and yes, they can arrest you and hold you for up to 72 hours before they have to charge you.

The statute in question has a history of case law for situations like this. Where people failed to comply with an order from police even.

Sorry that you think you live in a world (country more specifically) where you think that you get to decide not to follow a lawful order by police. Makes perfect sense to have law enforcement officers that can be ignored whenever they give an order just because you say so. Oh wait...

Like I said, you really need to do your homework. I'm not going to hold my breath, however. But by all means, please go ahead and test your theory that you don't have to comply when a cop tells you to leave somewhere. Let me know how that works out for you.

 

[xBiffx]

I kind of like him. He doesn't give up and isn't afraid to argue.

Well shit. I'm done now. I sure as hell don't want you to start liking me.

I just find it extremely entertaining that people in here are exhibiting a bit of displacement, not just once but twice. First for getting angry with the police for enforcing laws instead of lawmakers for the laws they make. And then second, for getting pissed off at me, for simply pointing this out, again instead of the people who make the laws. If calling me names and trying to make fun of me makes you all feel better about this situation, great, I'm happy to help. The only problem is that doing that doesn't change anything about this situation.

Well, on to the next fuq da police thread I guess.

 

[zinfamous]

I kind of like him. He doesn't give up and isn't afraid to argue.

that's not a singularly commendable quality, you know?

 

[rudeguy]

that's not a singularly commendable quality, you know?

To you maybe.

 

[zinfamous]

To you maybe.

there is essentially zero value in endlessly arguing a failed and misguided point.

In this case, xBiff's is mostly a matter of opinion, in the end, even though it is one that most anyone here disagrees with--as being inherently dangerous for a free society--I don't see it as something that he can ever be "wrong" about.

However, in the matter of someone that endlessly argues for the sake of arguing, despite being clearly wrong from an objective perspective, this is something that is not commendable.

It is something that only stupid and stubborn morons engage in. They add no value to anyone, and are better ignored in daily life.

 

[brycejones]

that's not a singularly commendable quality, you know?

Nehalm, incorruptible, Spidey, Texas Hiker

does he really want to be lumped in with that lot?