Samsung will reportedly sue Apple over LTE use on iPhone 5

[MrX8503]

Ohh but having 40d round edges is OK lmfao man you make me laugh.

That's not what happened.

 

[cl-scott]

Said it before, I'll say it again. The judge should issue an injunction against selling all products for both sides until they can work out some kind of deal between themselves. Once the beancounters on both sides tell the respective CEOs how much they're losing every day, you'll have a deal in record time.

That or just lock the CEOs into a room with two bricks, and whomever is left standing the next day wins.

 

[zod96]

That is a pretty good idea Scott. That is exactly what they should do. Once it hits them both really hard in their wallets they will come to an agreement real quick...But it is true, in the USA Apple will win its lawsuits and in Korea Samsung will win. In Europe its a toss up...

 

[grkM3]

That's not what happened.

Didn't you claim that apple was the first cell phone to invent round edges?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Didn't you claim that apple was the first cell phone to invent round edges?

Meh, I honestly don't think anyone is this dumb, but I do believe that the shape of the iPhone 3GS became a gold standard for people to copy. Round edges was one of them. I'm not sure but a lot of people seem to figured the SGS1 looked like the iPhone. But the same wasn't said about HTC's Desire, which was their flagship phone of 2010. Of all the flagship phones (HTC Desire, Sony Xperia X10, Motorola Droid X, SGS1) that year, somehow it's the SGS1 that most closely resembles an iPhone. You may argue well there's always one loser, but the SGS1 looks most like an iPhone by a LONG shot. Part of that was clearly due to the rounded corners and the same shape. Every other phone uses rounded edges too, but not in the exact same fashion.

 

[chewietobbacca]

As sad as it is to have to agree with this, I think there is some truth to this. Samsung and Apple have patent battles all over the globe and it seems like many of them are draws. I think only in the US did Apple get such an overwhelming victory in it's favor.

Apple pretty much lost (or took home next to nothing) in all the other countries EXCEPT the US

 

[golem]

Apple pretty much lost (or took home next to nothing) in all the other countries EXCEPT the US

Well, on the flip side, all of Samsung's suits (where Samsung was the plaintiff) against Apple have been the same. Mostly losses outside of Korea, minor win in Korea. Hell in the EU, Samsung is being investigated for their FRAND lawsuits.

 

[golem]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-5...eportedly-sue-apple-over-lte-use-on-iphone-5/

It would be glorious if Apple is issued an injunction against selling the rumored LTE-capable iPhone 5.

Have you really thought this out?

Apple doesn't make their own LTE chipset, they source them from Qualcomm. So if for some reason Samsung wins this lawsuit, then that means all of Qualcomm's customers could possible be in the same boat.

I believe Samsung might have the biggest percentage of total LTE patents, but Qualcomm plus Apple probably are close to matching or might even exceed Samsung in this area.

 

[MrX8503]

It's funny to see Android fans wish and pray that Apple gets sued whereas Apple fans don't even give a damn if Android competitors are sued or not.

Didn't you claim that apple was the first cell phone to invent round edges?

It was a joke...

I was making fun of android users barking rounded corners all day

 

[bearxor]

I say bring on the lawsuits, the quicker the better. The faster patents are either established or overruled, the faster all the companies can assert their positions on the playing field, which means the faster we'll reach the end goal, which is just a huge network of cross-licensing agreements.

That's every companies main goal right now. But what they have to do first is determine exactly where they stand in regards to their patent holdings. That's what the courts are doing.

 

[Bateluer]

I say bring on the lawsuits, the quicker the better. The faster patents are either established or overruled, the faster all the companies can assert their positions on the playing field, which means the faster we'll reach the end goal, which is just a huge network of cross-licensing agreements.

That's every companies main goal right now. But what they have to do first is determine exactly where they stand in regards to their patent holdings. That's what the courts are doing.

Cross licensing agreements are not Apple's goal. You're thinking of Microsoft. Apple's goal is to be the only smartphone manufacturer in the world.

 

[Dannar26]

Its all petty nonsense. But I would feel no sympathy if Apple loses here. Shoe on the other foot and all that.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Cross licensing agreements are not Apple's goal. You're thinking of Microsoft. Apple's goal is to be the only smartphone manufacturer in the world.

Yeah that's exactly why they have a cross licensing agreement with Microsoft.

 

[WelshBloke]

Yeah that's exactly why they have a cross licensing agreement with Microsoft.

You kind of have to play ball with Microsoft if you want to stay in the computing business.

 

[bearxor]

Cross licensing agreements are not Apple's goal. You're thinking of Microsoft. Apple's goal is to be the only smartphone manufacturer in the world.

I completely disagree. Apple has even show willingness to license. The terms may not be acceptable to certain companies right now, but let's get a few more cases in the books and appeals run out and the tune will change.

You kind of have to play ball with Microsoft if you want to stay in the computing business.

He's referring to the license Microsoft has with Apple in regards to Windows Phone. Microsoft pays Apple for each Windows Phone.

 

[MrX8503]

Cross licensing agreements are not Apple's goal. You're thinking of Microsoft. Apple's goal is to be the only smartphone manufacturer in the world.

Apple did with MS for windows phone and tablet surface. Apple tried with Samsung, but Samsung rejected.

 

[Zaap]

Licensing agreements don't address the whole absurd patent issue- in fact, this is part of the problem with absurd overly-broad patents. Just because you're the first d-bag to patent a broad concept you didn't invent, shouldn't mean you then get to dictate to your competitors, and charge them licensing fees that reduce profit/drive up the cost of their products and harm consumer choice. Samsung, Google and others have been right to resist Apple in this desire, it's a terrible business precedent to set in any market, and it's terrible for the consumer.

 

[Kenmitch]

Licensing agreements don't address the whole absurd patent issue- in fact, this is part of the problem with absurd overly-broad patents. Just because you're the first d-bag to patent a broad concept you didn't invent, shouldn't mean you then get to dictate to your competitors, and charge them licensing fees that reduce profit/drive up the cost of their products and harm consumer choice. Samsung, Google and others have been right to resist Apple in this desire, it's a terrible business precedent to set in any market, and it's terrible for the consumer.

I agree.

If both Samsung and HTC hold vital patents for LTE that Apple needs then I see no reason why they should not enforse them.

I say move swiftly with the case and go for the injunction while it's more valuable.

I'd think in this time and day LTE patents are more valuable than swipe to unlock, etc.

In the end I'd think that there will be some kinda cross-licensing deal between the players but it's just a matter of what they decide to trade for what.

I tend to think the reason T-Mobile still doesn't get the iphone is because of Apples terms....Most likely unrealistic and not in the best interest of the company.

 

[Bateluer]

Yeah that's exactly why they have a cross licensing agreement with Microsoft.

You kind of have to play ball with Microsoft if you want to stay in the computing business.

They had no choice, MS owns a fvck ton of patents of their own.

I completely disagree. Apple has even show willingness to license. The terms may not be acceptable to certain companies right now, but let's get a few more cases in the books and appeals run out and the tune will change.

If you're referring to Tim Cook's offer to Samsung a while back, they wanted an obscene amount of money per handset sold.

 

[Yongsta]

Apple just won an injunction against Motorola in Germany for bouncing screen / rubber band: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/13/apple-wins-injunction-against-motorola-in-germany-over-rubber-b/