Samsung will reportedly sue Apple over LTE use on iPhone 5

ITHURTSWHENIP

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Isn't the issue that Apple doesn't believe it has to pay a license fee for products because the component maker has a license? I remember reading something about that when dealing with the FRAND patents.
 

preslove

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Apple is an American company and Samsung is a Korean company. An American court won't rule against Apple.
 

ChAoTiCpInOy

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I'm sure they sourced the LTE chipset from someone who already paid for the patents from Samsung. Therefore patent exhaustion, so even if they sued it wouldn't get anywhere.
 
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Ohh but having 40d round edges is OK lmfao man you make me laugh.

Apple is getting hit now left and right with real patent infringements

The whole round edges argument is what Android defenders use to poke fun at the iOS camp. If you want to use the real argument, it's about a whole set of trade dress issues that happen to include round edges. Apple never sued for solely having rounded edges, but apparently that's what fanboys want to make it seem like....

So Samsung can sue for LTE all they want. I'll see how it turns out in court. Or I guess I could throw a tantrum like people do on this forum about how icons were in Windows 95 and round edges have been there forever.
 

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I'm sure they sourced the LTE chipset from someone who already paid for the patents from Samsung. Therefore patent exhaustion, so even if they sued it wouldn't get anywhere.

This is what I assume as well. Anyone with more knowledge on this have better insight into how Samsung could win this?
 

Zaap

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HAHA! Here's to hoping!

It's already funny as hell to see the same people that have been cheerleading over ridiculous lawsuits for things no one should be able to claim ownership of yell, "That's ridiculous! They can't claim to own that!!"

Seriously funny!

It'll be such well-deserved comeuppance to see Apple's mobile efforts from now on get tangled up in the same snare of legal bullshit that they themselves set up.
 

Ravynmagi

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Apple is an American company and Samsung is a Korean company. An American court won't rule against Apple.

As sad as it is to have to agree with this, I think there is some truth to this. Samsung and Apple have patent battles all over the globe and it seems like many of them are draws. I think only in the US did Apple get such an overwhelming victory in it's favor.
 
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HAHA! Here's to hoping!

It's already funny as hell to see the same people that have been cheerleading over ridiculous lawsuits for things no one should be able to claim ownership of yell, "That's ridiculous! They can't claim to own that!!"

Seriously funny!

It'll be such well-deserved comeuppance to see Apple's mobile efforts from now on get tangled up in the same snare of legal bullshit that they themselves set up.

How many times have you used the word bullshit?
 

Oyeve

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As sad as it is to have to agree with this, I think there is some truth to this. Samsung and Apple have patent battles all over the globe and it seems like many of them are draws. I think only in the US did Apple get such an overwhelming victory in it's favor.
Thats because the american jurors were fucking idiots. Musta been "geniuses".
 

akugami

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Isn't the issue that Apple doesn't believe it has to pay a license fee for products because the component maker has a license? I remember reading something about that when dealing with the FRAND patents.

No. That is incorrect.

There's actually two parts of the FRAND patents.

The first is that Apple is in arguments over exact fees for certain FRAND patents. Motorola and Samsung are quoting exorbitant fees compared to others. Some of the fees that Motorola and Samsung are quoting are laughably outrageous.

The second is that Apple uses components with licensed patents that is patented by someone other than who they are sourcing said components from. Specifically Samsung. Apple sources components from Qualcomm. These components contain patents licensed from Samsung. Samsung is arguing Apple still owes it royalties but Apple says that it is covered by Qualcomm's license. Clearly a case of double dipping.

Samsung's lawyers admitted that Samsung and Qualcomm had an agreement dating back to '93 not to sue each other (or customers that sources products from them) over the patents. Basically Apple would be covered because it is using licensed products from Qualcomm. Samsung said it terminated this agreement in April 2011. Clearly so it could sue Apple. It is still a gray area because Apple has a legitimate argument it is covered by patent exhaustion. Which way the court rules is still to be decided.

As sad as it is to have to agree with this, I think there is some truth to this. Samsung and Apple have patent battles all over the globe and it seems like many of them are draws. I think only in the US did Apple get such an overwhelming victory in it's favor.

Remember that different jurisdictions are governed by different laws. What's valid in the USA may not hold water in Germany or Australia.
 

Kenmitch

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I thought the quote was from HTC?

Its possible wording in the license is vague or excludes Apple all together.