Samsung v. Sharp LCD HDTV

[imported_Section8]

I did a seach and did not see these compared here. I have my choice narrowed to these two TVs.

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Any advice from those with experience with these TVs would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

 

[dwell]

The Samsung is better. Don't let the 4ms on the Sharp fool you.

 

[KeithTalent]

I just got that Samsung panel a couple of weeks ago and am absolutely in love with it. I followed the calibration settings in this thread (post #1499): http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb...hlight=samsung&page=50 and it worked like a charm. Watched a couple of Blu-rays over the weekend and they looked fantastic with those settings.

KT

 

[imported_Section8]

Thanks. I am definitely leaning toward the Samsung. I have the HR21 DTV HDDVR (Dierctv). I know its highest resolution is 1080i. Anyone have the HR21 or HR20 receiver that can say how it looks? I may aslo have an XBOX 360 hooked up. Will the 8ms delay make any difference?

Thanks again.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: Section8
Thanks. I am definitely leaning toward the Samsung. I have the HR21 DTV HDDVR (Dierctv). I know its highest resolution is 1080i. Anyone have the HR21 or HR20 receiver that can say how it looks? I may aslo have an XBOX 360 hooked up. Will the 8ms delay make any difference?

Thanks again.

I also say get Samsung, but if you are worried about playing your Xbox, then you should be looking at the Samsung LNT4665F. It has 10bit video processing vs the 8 bit that the LNT4661F has. That gives the LNT4665F smoother motion in fast moving scenes over the LNT4661F. The LNT4665F also has a contrast ratio of 15000:1 vs 10000:1 for the LNT4661F. That means the LNT4665F will give you more detail in darker scenes.

It's only $50 more if you get it from Amazon.

 

[gizbug]

The 4665F has a glossy screen though. I would be careful of that

 

[Captante]

Close call between those two ... I'd lean towards the Samsung for picture quality & the Sharp for gaming/PC moniter use ... depends on which is more important to you.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I love my Samsung 4665F.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: Chris
The Samsung is better. Don't let the 4ms on the Sharp fool you.

Yea, all that crap about motion blur is just a myth. Don't be fooled!

I looked at those side by side, and once I adjusted the 2 tvs properly, overall I thought the Sharp looked better on HD sources. The Samsung had a better SD tuner though. But since you won't be using an SD tuner for much longer, who cares about that?

 

[imported_cinder]

I own the Samsung LN-T4061F (40" Version of what you are looking at) and I love it. There are some great things the the Sharp just can't compare with. The Samsung automatically will upconvert your standard definition DVDs to 1080p off my progressive scan DVD player. It also accepts 1080p through the component cables. That meant I didn't have to sell my older xbox360 to get one with HDMI. I play Halo3, Guitar Hero, and Rock Band with no problems. Playing the music games is definitely a good test b/c if you are playing expert and the TV lags even a few MS you will notice. Just set the game to LCD mode and there is ZERO lag.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

Don't forget the infamous "banding" issues with some Sharp LCDs.

For Sammys, you might check your local Sears if you have one. They carry a model # 4669, which is 120Hz like the 4671, but for some reason they had it for a much cheaper price than the 4671. Last week my store had it for just under $2300.

Another set to look at is the Toshiba Regza. IIRC, they are also 10bit, at least the ones with the narrow bezel. Local HHGregg store has the 46" for approx. $1800 ... link (yep, it's 10bit)

 

[imported_Section8]

I am going with the Sammy. Thanks for all the input. Sounds like the CS is good too.

 

[Conroe]

I have a 4066f, I love it except for the clouds Glossy screen is okay now that I bought some new blinds.

Don't worry about direct TV coming in at only 1080i-it accurately is a lot worse than that. lol. Just watch a blu-ray of over the air 1080i and you will see.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Chris
The Samsung is better. Don't let the 4ms on the Sharp fool you.

Yea, all that crap about motion blur is just a myth. Don't be fooled!

Except Sharps are not really 4ms, it's just marketing BS for their Fine Motion technology.

 

[SlickSnake]

And as a member of Samsungs marketing dept you would be in a good position to know. Do you work for Monoprice, too?

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
And as a member of Samsungs marketing dept you would be in a good position to know. Do you work for Monoprice, too?

What are you talking about? It's a known fact that the 4ms rating on the 64U is BS. The TV can do "up to" 4ms with Fine Motion turned on, but turning it on introduces artifacts so experts advise turning it off.

Fine Motion is designed to reduce motion blur, and it does, on some program material. It also slightly increases the set's resolution on moving images. I did not find motion lag to be a significant problem with this set on most real program material. And because the Fine Motion control can also darken the image, as mentioned above, I usually left it Off.

http://www.hometheatermag.com/...007sharp52/index1.html

Not to mention Sharp sets suffer from banding problems, so they are best avoided.

How does that make a a member of Samsung's marketing dept?

 

[SlickSnake]

That review is not for my TV.

No motion blur or banding on my 46 incher.

It's a known fact about the 4ms rating being BS from whom? Who has taken one apart and calculated and measured this? How about the manufacturer and no one else? You most likely can't see the difference between 4 and 8 ms at any rate. So either take the manufacturers word for it, or don't. Since no one else can measure this factor. And since Sharp is one of the best companies making LCD TVs out there, why would they be lying about it? That makes no sense.

You also decide to listen to the 1% of people who bought one moaning and groaning non stop about a minor problem like almost unoticable banding on some TVs on a forum, then automatically assume they must ALL be like that. I guess you couldn't be bothered to go look at one in person, and see it for yourself. I did, at multiple places, and saw NO banding on ANY LCD Sharps in ANY place I looked. And I looked at all the sizes, too. Still not convinced?

I have seen plenty of other LCD brands (mostly cheap ones) with banding and clouding right in the store, and no one seems to notice when they buy one. It's obviously a problem that all LCDs can suffer from to some extent. Get a bad TV? Return it. Get a bad TV 5 times in a row? Then it's way past time to start looking at all the cheap crap hooked up to the TV.

For example both my crappy Dish receivers (ones a SD DVR and the others an older 720p HD tuner) exhibit... wait for it... BANDING! Right in the dead center of the screen. No matter what TV is hooked to it or what outputs I use on it. And they both smear colors, especially red, to the right a bit, making the picture a bit blurry. I gave up on swaping out cables and returning the HD tuner multiple times when every one they sent me had a different problem, like it would go B&W for no reason until I changed the channel, or just not work at all out of the box.

But I bet you the majority of TV buyers won't notice these other connection problems on their small, old, crappy tube sets until they get a larger TV. So they then return the TV, over and over, because all the cheap cables and the Dish receiver must work great, right? How about WRONG. :thumbsdown:

But since they can't figure it out, nothing stops them from posting on the in-to-nuts about their crappy new TVs and banding and color bluring. Since the 12 inch b&w one they used before looked SUPER!

Of course, a small minority who post actually have banding on the LCDs, even when no inputs are present. That is an entirely different matter.

The fact is, the vast majority of LCD Sharps work just fine. Thank you very much for all the unsubstantiated negative input, though.

 

[dwell]

Relax snakey. Sharps are fine, though I would recommend them after Sammy and Sony (if you can get a cloud-free model of either).

LCDs have not had significant blurring since they went 8ms. You may notice some on 60fps games if your eyes are sensitive, buy for film and everyday usage it's virtually non-existent. The 4ms claim on the Sharps does not help any more than all of the 120hz motion compensation technologies in the current line of LCDs. It all comes down to sample and hold which is the root of the problem...

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
That review is not for my TV.

No motion blur or banding on my 46 incher.

It's a known fact about the 4ms rating being BS from whom? Who has taken one apart and calculated and measured this? How about the manufacturer and no one else? You most likely can't see the difference between 4 and 8 ms at any rate. So either take the manufacturers word for it, or don't. Since no one else can measure this factor. And since Sharp is one of the best companies making LCD TVs out there, why would they be lying about it? That makes no sense.

Yes, Sharp is one of the best LCD manufacturers, right behind Samsung and Sony.