Samsung SpinPoint F4 320GB 16MB comparable to SSD

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Makaveli

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It not in the same class and the only people computer is going to convert are noobs most of us know better.
 

mv2devnull

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This review shows that the Samsung F4 is actually slower than a WD Black in most cases:

http://www.storagereview.com/samsung_spinpoint_f4_review_hd322gj

How you guys can have the audacity to say that these drives perform on par with an SSD is beyond me.
Assumption 1: F4 beats SSD
Assumption 2: WD beats F4

Simple math logic would conclude that WD must then beat SSD. If true then all is fine, and if false then there is an error somewhere.

But on the other hand scissors cut paper and rock crushes scissors without standing a chance against encircling sheet of paper. Similarly, the F4 has some redeeming values even though it is not the brightest gem of all. But obviously those are not on the focus of the debate.;)


@tweakboy: What is the reason to put both OS and applications into the same drive? That is not a good storage practice.
 

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This is the F4 320GB single platter ... its fastest mechanical hard drive not including 10k and 15k rpm drives.

155mbps sequential read and 155mbps sequential write .

A WD Black is more platters thus slower, and more prone to break down. Look at my spec I got F4 320GB single platter that came out in Sept. Its the next best thing to SSD

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computer

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Go easy on computer ,,, thanks.
That's ok, some people are just too ignorant to comprehend plain English; and like I said, read only what they want to read and ignore everything else. So it's pointless.

If certain people would READ ALL of what I have typed countless times, they would see no such things were ever said. So it's pointless.

It's pathetic how childish, hostile and attacking some people are at forums. Really makes you wonder about their "stability". I suggest they try again to read my posts on page 8, particularly #192 & #193. But again, it's useless and pointless--to try and have an intelligent civil friendly conversation with them. They are closed-narrow-minded, plagued by the spawn of hostile comments, and see & hear only what they selectively discriminately choose to see. I'm glad I'm......we're, above that.

God Bless all.
 

computer

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Is it time to Godwin the thread? :)

For the unknowing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
HA! That's hilarious. :D :D

"In other words, Godwin put forth the sarcastic observation that, given enough time, all discussions—regardless of topic or scope—inevitably end up being about Hitler and the Nazis."

Yeah it wouldn't surprise me. It's not so "sarcastic" either, it's really true!

I'm glad I stuck around long enough to see your post, good one. ;)
 

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Very nice computer you rock, they are just kids... No grown adult is going to put someone down for a forum post. Good come back computer, you rock!!! thx again for all your help!
 
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LokutusofBorg

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Computer, no need to take offense. I wasn't implying that you were doing the "sugar coating".

I don't need to prove anything. Just wanted to add my two cents whether it's worth anything or not. I've been a member almost as long as you have and as you can see I don't post much. With that said, you can imagine how annoyed I am at reading this whole thread to actually post in it.

In the future I'll just avoid certain threads.
I've avoided this thread for weeks when I check the forum, but just tonight decided to read through it to see why it was so active. What a waste of nearly an hour...
 

mv2devnull

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You are correct Soundmanred totally right. Synthetic benchmarks mean nothing cuz they give different score everytime... your right,,,
Could you explain why a benchmark gives different score every time? Has it been designed to do so? For what purpose? Is it only the synthetic marks that return whimsical noise? Is there no measure that one could trust?


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"There's just one kind of man that you can trust,
that's a dead man, or a beloved patriot like me."
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tweakboy

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It is not designed to on purpose give different scores. But a HD crystal test or passmark diskmark will give different scores. Where as a 3dmark or vantage on your GPU and CPU gives you about same score ,, being off by 100 points or so.

Each time you run the benchmark the HD will give different scores if its your primary drive. On a drive that your OS or apps are not on it should give about the same score.

This is why people run benchmarks in Safe Mode , so nothing is loaded and no IO activity is going on. Still due to the fact of caching and other properties your never going to get the same score. Its just like that for hard drives. Its a synthetic benchmark meaning depending on wheter your drive is primary it just gives different results but their pretty close in numbers. If the drive is empty and not being used then you will get the full benchmark score. thx Hope this kinda clears it up along with computers writings..
 

mv2devnull

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I see.
This is why people run benchmarks in Safe Mode , so nothing is loaded and no IO activity is going on. Still due to the fact of caching and other properties your never going to get the same score. Its just like that for hard drives.
But Safe Mode is still lazy when one can have a test platform where the only thing accessing the tested drive is the benchmark. Small variation in results is expectable, as for all empirical experiments. However, measurement errors should be small compared to differences between genuinely different samples. If not, your testing procedure is flawed.

Caching is not a fact. Caching is something that you can turn off or avoid.

Now, if everyone would follow the same stringent test protocol, then their results would be comparable. Short of that, if you do test all samples (and repeat with each sample, say five times) with same procedure, then you could show such results and they should be somewhat consistent.


But no, I don't believe that measuring storage devices is a haphazard venture, as long as you do it properly.
 

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I agree with you mv2devnull . We have to say safe mode because we dont know the stuff the user has loaded in the background that can interfere with benchies. good stuff,
 

Makaveli

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That's ok, some people are just too ignorant to comprehend plain English; and like I said, read only what they want to read and ignore everything else. So it's pointless.

If certain people would READ ALL of what I have typed countless times, they would see no such things were ever said. So it's pointless.

It's pathetic how childish, hostile and attacking some people are at forums. Really makes you wonder about their "stability". I suggest they try again to read my posts on page 8, particularly #192 & #193. But again, it's useless and pointless--to try and have an intelligent civil friendly conversation with them. They are closed-narrow-minded, plagued by the spawn of hostile comments, and see & hear only what they selectively discriminately choose to see. I'm glad I'm......we're, above that.

God Bless all.

It has nothing to do with ignorance boy.

I own both a intel 160G2 and have Windows 7 installed on my previous 7200 RPM drive and switch back and forth as I do testing on the HD still.

Any nothing you have said will disprove my real world experience.

I've tried not to post to much in this thread because its quite pointless anyone that Actually owns an SSD and has used one knows there is no comparison to using a HD as a boot device.

I wonder about your stability when there has been numerous reviews and sites that don't agree with anything you've posted.

You cannot have an intelligent debate with closed minded people that have already made up their mind on the subject.

Everything you said in that post can be said directly about you.
 

tweakboy

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Ok, so from what I read, people that have Windows boot up disorder and reboot 20 times a day need to get a SSD other then that , who cares how long a boot up takes. I do it once a day or dont do it for weeks on end... everything is already in RAM OS is in RAM,

now you have no space for your data ,,,, so apps and data will still be hard drive mechanical my friend. Computer Ill let you take it from here. If you care about boot up times then buy a SSD, if you dont care about boot up times its a waiste of money for cheap ammount of space 160GB come on now child, common like Ochosinko would say.

Your games will be installed on mechnical if you have a big collection like freakin 13 games that are avg 7gb each ,, did you put that on your 160G3 no you didnt,, pointless for me especially that I run a DAW... I need everything installed on primary drive and I got GB of DAW sh*T . and I point data to my 320GB WDC SE.

Come now, when ssds are like RAM, then I will pull the trigger other then that Im happy to have the worlds fastest 7200RPM single platter F4 320GB ... pownz,,,and I put a W7 image on external LaCie 500GB Neil Poulton design ... thank you very much!,,,, Im happy you happy we all happy now!!!!!!!!! computer you rock
 

Makaveli

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Ok, so from what I read, people that have Windows boot up disorder and reboot 20 times a day need to get a SSD other then that , who cares how long a boot up takes. I do it once a day or dont do it for weeks on end... everything is already in RAM OS is in RAM,

now you have no space for your data ,,,, so apps and data will still be hard drive mechanical my friend. Computer Ill let you take it from here. If you care about boot up times then buy a SSD, if you dont care about boot up times its a waiste of money for cheap ammount of space 160GB come on now child, common like Ochosinko would say.

Your games will be installed on mechnical if you have a big collection like freakin 13 games that are avg 7gb each ,, did you put that on your 160G3 no you didnt,, pointless for me especially that I run a DAW... I need everything installed on primary drive and I got GB of DAW sh*T . and I point data to my 320GB WDC SE.

Come now, when ssds are like RAM, then I will pull the trigger other then that Im happy to have the worlds fastest 7200RPM single platter F4 320GB ... pownz,,,and I put a W7 image on external LaCie 500GB Neil Poulton design ... thank you very much!,,,, Im happy you happy we all happy now!!!!!!!!! computer you rock


If you are happy with what you have that is great. However if you actually read this whole thread you and computer are the only two that actually agree with each other.

My machine uses sleep so I don't reboot often and windows,apps and steam are sitting on my ssd. Data,Downloads,temp stuff stays on my regular HDs have about 92GB free space on my 160GB drive currently.

My point is you two will not convert anyone on this site to believe that HD is better than a SSD. Whatever you logic is so be it I don't care to understand or figure it out.

If you believe the only benefit to an SSD is fast boot times I don't really have anything else to say.

You have already decided in your mind what you think is best so why even bother creating this thread?
 
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taltamir

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Perhaps I should note that posting false information is in violation of the TOS here. D:

I did not remember that. Time to review the TOS... so, when ... someone... tells someone defragging their SSD is good for it I should report it?