Samsung Spinpoint Drives?

[Virgorising]

There was nothing hateful about my post, just stating the facts.

You have a total dearth of self awareness and the courage to employ it, William. In my circles, that's a TOP OF THE LIST deal breaker.

Final time: respect.....is EARNED.

 

[Virgorising]

Raptors? I thought you were worried about noise?

Indeed. I only just learned about that element in the last minutes. I am not some insecure train wreck, and so have no need to misrepresent elements of my journey. Pls respect that.

Buy a freaking SSD already.

That.....was adorable.:biggrin: I mean, THE MUSIC. One more once, my backup strategy was not arrived at cavalierly; I have no desire to use an SSD for my OS and a mechanical drive for all the rest.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

All my drives are 7200. Including my spares.

...remember earlier when we were talking about platter density and its effect on sequential read/write speed?

 

[WilliamM2]

You have a total dearth of self awareness and the courage to employ it, William. In my circles, that's a TOP OF THE LIST deal breaker.

Final time; respect.....is EARNED.

And you will never earn mine. You read too much into peoples posts, you read what you want to read in each one.

 

[Virgorising]

And you will never earn mine.

I am holding U to that, William.() Given what it represents. Don let me down.

And, for God's sake, stay away from cats!

 

[WilliamM2]

I am holding U to that, William.() Given, what it represents. Don let me down.

And, for God's sake, stay away form cats!

I have 3 cats, you have issues with those as well? Do you get them used?

 

[Virgorising]

...remember earlier when we were talking about platter density and its effect on sequential read/write speed?

I totally do, Dave! In fact, I believe I was the first one to raise it as an important issue.

 

[Virgorising]

I have 3 cats, you have issues with those as well? Do you get them used?

Well......pets are not permitted in my rather snobbish landmark building. But, rest assured, if I had the option to get one, it would be a rescue.

And so..... U bet....USED.:biggrin:

 

[Virgorising]

K....now delving re the level of noisiness re the Raptors. Found this on Tom's:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/237701-32-noisy-raptor

Was intrigued by the guy who says you get used to it and it becomes kinda nice like a Harley.

Would that be a customized Harley? Like with fish tail pipes? No, rolling thunder pipes??

K, jus playin.... but I am seriously considering the Raptor now. OK, I am used to dead silence in my desktops, esp given the big Optiplexes are famous for that because of their engineering. Including now this WD Black I lucked out on used in November.

But, I am becoming more open to non gratuitous noise if the drive is as good as I now think the Raptor in question is.

New, serious as always question: Are the raptors standard dimensions? Cause they sure don look as if they are. Meaning, will one fit normally in my flexible nylon sled/cage and slip normally into whichever slot I choose for it in my HDD bay? Never owned a drive with heatsink fins.

I am also trying to determine if they run hot. So far, form what I've read, people say they run cool.

 

[Virgorising]

Update: I think I am falling in love with this Raptor. If it's as wonderful as I am coming to, and I can hear it, which I am not used to....I think I will come to not care cause I will be EVEN happier than I am with my WD Black.

And can't imagine it will not fit into one of my sleds and then into one of my slots normally. They gotta make them for standard ATX cases/HDD bays, after all. Right?

http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/SpecSheet/ENG/2879-701284.pdf

Not sure why the one I am tracking has no date on it.

 

[Deders]

Not sure if you missed my post or not but read the link, it explains the noise they make, something I wish I knew before I bought one.

And seriously, if you are at all bothered about drive performance, get an SSD. I was sceptical for a while but now they are at a decent price it is the single best upgrade you can get for disks.

The fastest hard drives can manage about 0.2MB/s maybe 0.3MB/s for 4k reads, most modern SSD's will do at least 100 times that for 4k reads, and that is where most of the disk performance gets clogged up.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

I've had a few Spinpoints - probably the most artfully designed and pleasurable in use was the model HD160JJ.

 

[Virgorising]

Not sure if you missed my post or not but read the link, it explains the noise they make, something I wish I knew before I bought one.

Sorry, was just on hour long conference call re work. Deders, U mean the post I responded to in my #13?

And seriously, if you are at all bothered about drive performance, get an SSD. I was sceptical for a while but now they are at a decent price it is the single best upgrade you can get for disks.

Please tell me, do you have yr OS, all yr apps and data/files on the SSD?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Sorry, was just on hour long conference call re work. Deders, U mean the post I responded to in my #13?



Please tell me, do you have yr OS, all yr apps and data/files on the SSD?

A lot of data files you wouldn't need to put on the SSD. My ISRT configuration isn't much different: I was running a 60GB caching SSD with a 600GB VelociRaptor. I was too impatient and thoughtless while Intel Rapid Storage Tech" software was unhinging the cache and acceleration drives, rebooted before it was finished and thought I'd lost the Raptor, did a bare-metal restore on an F3, and discovered the Raptor was recoverable on another Win 7 system -- which noted a "process was interrupted" and did I want to convert the disk to "non-RAID."

The only other hard disk in my system is for the Live TV buffer and DVR recordings. Many of my files are stored on the home server and accessed directly from the workstation. And I only have OS, programs, data that came with those programs like flight-sim scenery files, and a folder of software download exe or zip files, drivers, patches, updates etc.

I figure you'd treat a boot-system SSD standalone like an ISRT caching configuration. Why would you do differently?

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Why would you do differently?

This EVO 840 I am writing from, 250GBs, is 55% free.

 

[VirtualLarry]

They don't perform as well as new higher density drives, and for $5 more you can get a new higher density drive with a warrany. It's foolish to even consider used drives when new ones are so cheap.

That's pretty-much the bottom line here.

Don't pay new prices for used drives.

Edit: That doesn't mean that you shouldn't go for used sometimes though. I've bought used drives before from members on this forum, at a price that was too low to be ignored. It was an older 7200.9, maybe a .8 or .7. It was old, and had some bad sectors. Well, it has lasted several years longer in a friend's rig. However, it is getting so old at this point, that I got him a brand-new 500GB Caviar Black drive.

 

[DominionSeraph]

http://forums.anandtech.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist
Virgorising

You're welcome.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

So the firmware bug does not apply to the F3s?????

AFAIK, the F4s were the only "recent" Sammy drives to have firmware problems.
Have a bunch of F1s and F2s that have been running 24/7 as well without problems.

 

[Virgorising]

I was too impatient and thoughtless while Intel Rapid Storage Tech" software was unhinging the cache and acceleration drives, rebooted before it was finished and thought I'd lost the Raptor, did a bare-metal restore on an F3, and discovered the Raptor was recoverable on another Win 7 system -- which noted a "process was interrupted" and did I want to convert the disk to "non-RAID."

Good work!!!!:thumbsup: (I am still drawn to that Raptor on ebay, but waiting until my first poll grows so I can learn from the results to make a decision.)

I figure you'd treat a boot-system SSD standalone like an ISRT caching configuration. Why would you do differently?

In my case, again, I do internal backup. My backup drive is a perfect clone of the drive I usually boot into....I do dual boot via Easy BCD. In this system, while it would be possible to install a third HDD in the empty slot in my optical bay, I don wanna do that. Been using this strategy for years.....it has saved my butt several times.

So, if I go SSD, I would want to put everything on it, and use my backup drive in the way I just shared.

 

[Virgorising]

AFAIK, the F4s were the only "recent" Sammy drives to have firmware problems.
Have a bunch of F1s and F2s that have been running 24/7 as well without problems.

Thanks for this info!

 

[Virgorising]

That's pretty-much the bottom line here.

Come on, babe, U know I disagree, based on my actual experience! I gave $50 for this amazing WD Black I am on, it was a major coup for me; one of the best things I evah did.

However, it is getting so old at this point, that I got him a brand-new 500GB Caviar Black drive.

That was amazing of U!!!!! I know U R a Real Deal friend.

 

[Virgorising]

This EVO 840 I am writing from, 250GBs, is 55% free.

See that???? 55% FREE. if I now went 250GB SSD, mine would be the same.....with everything on it. I don have games, huge avi files, nothin like that.

This stuff is INDIVIDUAL SPECIFIC.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Come on, babe, U know I disagree, based on my actual experience! I gave $50 for this amazing WD Black I am on, it was a major coup for me; one of the best things I evah did.

I'm not saying not to buy used drives, if they are of a model that you prefer or have good experience with, only that you should only do it if you get a really good deal on one. Paying a higher price for a used drive because you have some sort of emotional attachment to that model is irrational, if you could get a more modern high-performance drive for the same or lower price.

I know that they're older, but I am a fan of the WD 6400AAKS drives. Had three of them at one point, AFAIK, they're all still running, 5+ years later. Well-built drives. If I could find more of them, I would consider purchasing them, but not for $50, maybe $25 at most. If I were to buy new drives, I would get the 1TB-per-platter 1TB Seagate Barracuda drives (bought two from TD recently), the 1TB WD Blue drives, or the Toshiba retail-boxed 3TB 7200RPM drives (supposedly from Hitachi lineage, which is a good thing.)

Maybe more WD Black drives, but ONLY if they were on a significant sale. You're not paying extra for reliability, so much as you are paying extra for an extended warranty built into the purchase price. Since extended warranties on electronics items are rarely worth it, I don't generally buy WD Black HDDs.

The only reason that I picked up three of the 500GB WD Blacks was because they were on Shell-shocker at Newegg for $60 ea. I thought that was a reasonable premium for a 5-year warranty.

 

[smakme7757]

I have 4 of these drives, various sizes. Only one had to be returned after about 2 years of use. The others still work.

I'm also not one to buy used drives. Storage is something i don't skimp on. If i was pressed for cach then i might consider a drive under two years old and only pay between 20 and 35% the price of a new drive.

 

[Virgorising]

I'm not saying not to buy used drives, if they are of a model that you prefer or have good experience with, only that you should only do it if you get a really good deal on one. Paying a higher price for a used drive because you have some sort of emotional attachment to that model is irrational, if you could get a more modern high-performance drive for the same or lower price.

OMG, Larry....just cause I am female don mean I have emotional attachments to HDDs! Do I name them after muppets? I DO, bite me. But that is not an emotional attachment.()

Out of all the used drives I have bought on ebay, I never once had a problem and never one did not get a bargain. Again, I include the one I am on right now. This drive was made in 2012, this WD black, it is in every way MODERN. Dead silent, beautifully engineered and the fastest drive i have evah had.

And I did not choose it because it was still under warranty; I chose it cause i felt it was in uber condition and would be very fast and reliable and it was an excellent price, given what they are still going for......and all those things have proven true.

Are the bargain Blacks U got on Newegg single or dual platter? Mind is double, but fast like the wind.