ch33zw1z
Lifer
- Nov 4, 2004
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Ever hear of the catch phrase "Big Data"? The processing power is already there.
google: ibm puredata - distributed computing in a frame. different models to tackle different "big data" needs.
response to OP: yea, everything technology related is spying us. all the time, in any way possible.
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zinfamous
No Lifer
- Jul 12, 2006
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Yo dawgs, I heard we were already there
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/january/personality-computer-knows-011215.html
Phoenix86
Lifer
- May 21, 2003
- 14,644
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My expectation is for privacy. I mean, I'm not so stupid to think they aren't collecting anything and everything they can get their hands on, but when you buy an electronic device, the expectation shouldn't be that it's spying on you.
When the pendulum swings back to privacy it's going to swing hard.
Just get a router running 3rd party firmware and block your tv from sending data out. 
FYI, I know everyone is not a geek. 
FYI, I know everyone is not a geek. 
Jeff7
Lifer
- Jan 4, 2001
- 41,596
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Watch someone for long enough and you don't really need a name. Their habits will form a pattern as unique as a fingerprint.
Advertisers aren't the only ones who would love to know what you're thinking, how you think, and why you think it.
Besides that, it's easier to manipulate someone if you know them very well.
Protip: If you think to yourself, "Well they can't manipulate me!" just know that you're the sort who advertisers love: It's easy to lead those who voluntarily blind themselves.
Oh thank god, just what I always wanted: Interactive advertising.
I'm waiting for the TVs to have the ability to determine that you've muted the commercial, or aren't paying attention to it (Kinect + eye-tracking tech?), and then refuse to play the content unless you've spent at least X amount of time properly watching commercials.
Ghostery is an interesting extension for Firefox.
Twitter, Facebook, and Google have a pretty good idea of where you pop around on the Internet, assuming you have cookies enabled and don't flush them out regularly.
Minority Report doesn't require the use of magic or psychics. It only needs some really good computers.
At some point, we as a society will be deciding when it should be legal to pre-arrest someone. A computer analysis of a person's online behavior indicates a 97.5% chance of criminal activity in the next 3 weeks.
Is that enough for an arrest?
99% chance? 75%? What if it's minor theft? Or a 90% chance of a double-homicide?
Economics: People respond to incentives. Advertising is big money. Advertisers are willing to pay a lot of money for detailed information on a target audience. A sweet spot is to learn someone's habits, and wedge yourself firmly into their daily routine. Is it routine to stop for coffee every morning? How about making that stop be Dunkin Donuts? Every. Day. Do it. Learn more about the person's priorities, and maybe you can figure out what needs to be done to get their money.
:hmm:
So....there could be a computer out there that could know me better than I know myself?
Neat, a version of me will live on forever in the cloud. And hell, it's likely stored on a system with redundant hard drives, which themselves include low-level parity information. That version should do better at accurate data retention than this squishy organic brain.
Please download me into a suitable android when feasible.
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runzwithsizorz
Diamond Member
- Jan 24, 2002
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Those classic plastic coppers, they are your special friends
They see you every night
Well they call themselves protection but they know it's no game
You're never out of their sight
1984
Knockin' on your door
Will you let it come?
Will you let it run your life?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtzS93HDQeE
They see you every night
Well they call themselves protection but they know it's no game
You're never out of their sight
1984
Knockin' on your door
Will you let it come?
Will you let it run your life?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtzS93HDQeE
SparkyJJO
Lifer
- May 16, 2002
- 13,357
- 7
- 81
Wasn't this a given? If you're viewing content from a server someplace and not off your personal blu ray collection, of course someone somewhere on the other end is going to know what you're watching.
While I'm against the privacy intrusions by so many people/governments/etc I think getting all worked up over brand X "knowing" you pulled that stupid youtube video is a bit silly. Really, do you really think LG actually cares that you watched that youtube video? Or what kind of evil thing could they or someone else do to you now that they know that? Think about it...
If they are recording conversations however, OK yes that is going too far. But the rest? Meh.
While I'm against the privacy intrusions by so many people/governments/etc I think getting all worked up over brand X "knowing" you pulled that stupid youtube video is a bit silly. Really, do you really think LG actually cares that you watched that youtube video? Or what kind of evil thing could they or someone else do to you now that they know that? Think about it...
If they are recording conversations however, OK yes that is going too far. But the rest? Meh.
Red Squirrel
No Lifer
It's just sickening how our privacy is violated these days, that in itself is an act of terrorism. They say this is to prevent terrorists but it's bullshit, it's for total control, that's what it's for.
It's going to get real bad in Canada, they're working on this bill (C-51) that will not only increase surveillance but they also stuffed a bunch of other stuff in there too such as making growing of certain foods illegal, to increase big pharma profits. It's criminal how governments keep taking away our rights these days.
As for the TVs there's absolutely zero reason why any of this stuff even needs to be cloud based. The logic could be coded into the TV itself and it could be stand alone.
Same idea with stuff like Siri, there's actually people who listen to what you say.
This is why I don't buy into any of the home automation stuff, I design and code my own, at least I know it's not spying on me. Well, there's always the chance that off the shelf microcontrollers have spy bugs in them, like they do to hard drives. Can't win.
I wonder if these spy bugs all operate on a common frequency. It would just be the thing of jamming the signals. If it does not affect anything else you just keep the transmitter on at all times. I don't imagine they use your internet, as it would make it too easy to block. I have a Samsung TV and used to have it plugged in for DLNA but now I just use a raspberry Pi. Unless the TV can somehow communicate through HDMI? It's an older Samsung though so it might be before it had the spy bug in it.
It's going to get real bad in Canada, they're working on this bill (C-51) that will not only increase surveillance but they also stuffed a bunch of other stuff in there too such as making growing of certain foods illegal, to increase big pharma profits. It's criminal how governments keep taking away our rights these days.
As for the TVs there's absolutely zero reason why any of this stuff even needs to be cloud based. The logic could be coded into the TV itself and it could be stand alone.
Same idea with stuff like Siri, there's actually people who listen to what you say.
This is why I don't buy into any of the home automation stuff, I design and code my own, at least I know it's not spying on me. Well, there's always the chance that off the shelf microcontrollers have spy bugs in them, like they do to hard drives. Can't win.
I wonder if these spy bugs all operate on a common frequency. It would just be the thing of jamming the signals. If it does not affect anything else you just keep the transmitter on at all times. I don't imagine they use your internet, as it would make it too easy to block. I have a Samsung TV and used to have it plugged in for DLNA but now I just use a raspberry Pi. Unless the TV can somehow communicate through HDMI? It's an older Samsung though so it might be before it had the spy bug in it.
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Puppies04
Diamond Member
- Apr 25, 2011
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I've been trying to tell people about this sincce smart tv's were announced. same as smart phones except smart tv's really give very little benfit.
Thought process goes something like this...
1. We need to track what our customers watch and be on the ground floor for targeted advertising on TV.
2. Nobody is going to buy the new samsung "watchyoureverymove 45HD4127" so how do we convince them to but a tv with a built in CPU, internet connection and webcam?
3. Lets add some useless features around that hardware like a piss poor web browser and tell them the webcam is for skype.
4. Lol nubs are falling for it.
Thought process goes something like this...
1. We need to track what our customers watch and be on the ground floor for targeted advertising on TV.
2. Nobody is going to buy the new samsung "watchyoureverymove 45HD4127" so how do we convince them to but a tv with a built in CPU, internet connection and webcam?
3. Lets add some useless features around that hardware like a piss poor web browser and tell them the webcam is for skype.
4. Lol nubs are falling for it.
SparkyJJO
Lifer
- May 16, 2002
- 13,357
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- 81
It's just sickening how our privacy is violated these days, that in itself is an act of terrorism. They say this is to prevent terrorists but it's bullshit, it's for total control, that's what it's for.
It's going to get real bad in Canada, they're working on this bill (C-51) that will not only increase surveillance but they also stuffed a bunch of other stuff in there too such as making growing of certain foods illegal, to increase big pharma profits. It's criminal how governments keep taking away our rights these days.
As for the TVs there's absolutely zero reason why any of this stuff even needs to be cloud based. The logic could be coded into the TV itself and it could be stand alone.
Same idea with stuff like Siri, there's actually people who listen to what you say.
This is why I don't buy into any of the home automation stuff, I design and code my own, at least I know it's not spying on me. Well, there's always the chance that off the shelf microcontrollers have spy bugs in them, like they do to hard drives. Can't win.
I wonder if these spy bugs all operate on a common frequency. It would just be the thing of jamming the signals. If it does not affect anything else you just keep the transmitter on at all times. I don't imagine they use your internet, as it would make it too easy to block. I have a Samsung TV and used to have it plugged in for DLNA but now I just use a raspberry Pi. Unless the TV can somehow communicate through HDMI? It's an older Samsung though so it might be before it had the spy bug in it.
Um, a little bit of tin foil hat stuff going on here
One benefit of being cloud based is everything is consistently up to date with the lastest improvements on speech recognition etc. But I agree to an extent, and I hate the cloud in general. NO, you may NOT have my data!
Data stealing controllers on hard drives? Since when? How would it communicate? I somehow doubt a hard drive is able to reach out through the internet by itself, through all the different hardware types out there, and upload all your data without it being noticed in terms of speed drops, drive activity, etc. First time that was seen by someone in the corporate world watching sensitive company data stream away that brand would be dead via the litigation. Not happening.
Highly doubt they operate outside the internet given that in order to use RF in any usable fashion they would need some pretty powerful antennas, FCC clearance, and towers or receivers in place to retrieve all that. And to what end? No, it is all going to be internet based.
lxskllr
No Lifer
- Nov 30, 2004
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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/...-uncover-sophisticated-malware-equation-group
The 1337 hax of today become the script kiddie toys of tomorrow. They also get appropriated by misguided companies. Gotta make sure your GoT is legit, or the fuckin' sun might not come up tomorrow.
Number1
Diamond Member
- Feb 24, 2006
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Red Squirrel
No Lifer
FCC rules don't apply to these agencies. In fact the FCC rules is to stop civilians from interfering with their transmissions, not each others. Of course some of the rules are for mostly us too like wifi related rules and such, but in general it's for the government's interest more than ours.
Jeff7
Lifer
- Jan 4, 2001
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Some of them will also send back a list of all filenames they detect on any drives they can find.
KentState
Diamond Member
- Oct 19, 2001
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Basically what I do for a living. You would be amazed at how well our predictive models work with predicting consumer behavior.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
I'm concerned about privacy. I don't want someone to use my habits to "target me" with specific ads and experiences. That deprives me of the opportunities to learn about something novel that I might be interested in. Many of the things I find enjoyable are not typical together. As a hobby, I enjoy raising goats. What if I had never encountered that idea as a result of overzealous targeted advertisements, etc.?
In other words, soon, by the time people are 6 or 7 years old, there will be enough information on their likes at that stage in life to constantly give them the same experiences as all the others who like the same things. They're going to have decreased opportunities for novel experiences that may catch their interest.
Personally, though I take measures to at least make it difficult for companies to harvest information about me, I don't think that's necessarily the way for consumers to "fight" back. Rather than hide data, I think a better solution to saving some privacy is to overwhelm the data collectors with false data. Sony wants to know what channel you're watching every minute? How about a program that sends Sony random data every minute? Google tracks your searches? How about a program running in the background that randomly searches for stuff? Etc. Basically create enough noise that it obscures what you're actually searching for. (Note: of course noise has to have similar frequencies to what you're actually doing. E.g., if you look at 50 different car sites, 1 animal site, one game site, one site about bridges, one site about grass, one site about the moon, one site about... I think it's pretty easy to figure out that you're looking at cars. But, if you visit 50 car sites; then the software can randomly visit 50 cat sites, 50 moon sites, 50 conspiracy sites, etc. Heck, randomly make some of those types of sites have a frequency greater than 50.
In other words, soon, by the time people are 6 or 7 years old, there will be enough information on their likes at that stage in life to constantly give them the same experiences as all the others who like the same things. They're going to have decreased opportunities for novel experiences that may catch their interest.
Personally, though I take measures to at least make it difficult for companies to harvest information about me, I don't think that's necessarily the way for consumers to "fight" back. Rather than hide data, I think a better solution to saving some privacy is to overwhelm the data collectors with false data. Sony wants to know what channel you're watching every minute? How about a program that sends Sony random data every minute? Google tracks your searches? How about a program running in the background that randomly searches for stuff? Etc. Basically create enough noise that it obscures what you're actually searching for. (Note: of course noise has to have similar frequencies to what you're actually doing. E.g., if you look at 50 different car sites, 1 animal site, one game site, one site about bridges, one site about grass, one site about the moon, one site about... I think it's pretty easy to figure out that you're looking at cars. But, if you visit 50 car sites; then the software can randomly visit 50 cat sites, 50 moon sites, 50 conspiracy sites, etc. Heck, randomly make some of those types of sites have a frequency greater than 50.
KentState
Diamond Member
- Oct 19, 2001
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This post makes me laugh. Do you not think that there are ways to remove random noise from behavioral data?
SparkyJJO
Lifer
- May 16, 2002
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Apparently you don't fully understand the FCC. Well, I don't either
But you have to realize that no high powered wireless signals can be used outside of FCC approval, with assigned frequencies etc. Doesn't matter if it is individual or corporate, the bands have to be approved.But besides all that, the idea of even trying to set up some totally separate wireless network simply for data mining customers is a bit ridiculous. And how could they build these radio towers and such without people knowing they're doing it? Why would they all use the same network since they are in direct competition with each other? With these powerful transmitters how would they keep anyone from noticing them?
And the final, probably biggest part - How many hundreds of millions would have to be spent building this stuff? It would be staggering and the ROI just would not be there. Using an existing network (the internet) is going to be much simpler and far cheaper from just about every aspect, and since money is obviously going to be the driving force that is going to be the route they'll take.
Come on.
Red Squirrel
No Lifer
Apparently you don't fully understand the FCC. Well, I don't either
But besides all that, the idea of even trying to set up some totally separate wireless network simply for data mining customers is a bit ridiculous. And how could they build these radio towers and such without people knowing they're doing it? Why would they all use the same network since they are in direct competition with each other? With these powerful transmitters how would they keep anyone from noticing them?
And the final, probably biggest part - How many hundreds of millions would have to be spent building this stuff? It would be staggering and the ROI just would not be there. Using an existing network (the internet) is going to be much simpler and far cheaper from just about every aspect, and since money is obviously going to be the driving force that is going to be the route they'll take.
Come on.
It's the government. They do whatever the hell they want. They probably pay or force other companies to put these spy bugs in devices. They have unlimited funds because it's your tax dollars.
Now I'm not saying that it does not use the internet, maybe it does, but I still would not feel safe simply unplugging it from the wall. That's too easy. The government would not make it that easy.
preslove
Lifer
- Sep 10, 2003
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Uh.. Most people's google searches have more incriminating data than their smart tv commands. If you are more scared of you tv than your phone, then you don't know how the modern world works.
Personally, I'm ok with tumblr suggesting knew porn blogs for me to follow....
Personally, I'm ok with tumblr suggesting knew porn blogs for me to follow....
Red Squirrel
No Lifer
Some of these TVs have hidden cameras and microphones. It's bad enough that corporations spy on what we do on the internet but when they start physically spying on you IMO that's WAY beyond crossing the line.
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