Samsung announces 2 new LCD displays at MacWorld

[KeithP]

Like the title says...

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080116/20080116006104.html?.v=1

-KeithP

 

[zagood]

More specs and info:
http://www.samsung.com/us/cons...odel_cd=LS24KIEEFV/XAA

Also has DVI and D-sub, they make it sound like only HDMI in the release.

-z

 

[zerone555]

Any idea if the 2493HM is a TN or *VA panel?

 

[Quiksilver]

Well if these viewing angles are right...
"Viewing Angle (Horizontal / Vertical) 160º / 160º"

it appears to be a TN panel but I'm not entirely sure.

 

[Big Worm]

Sweet! I was about to get the 24", but really want a 26". So it looks like my wishes have been answered.

 

[postmortemIA]

so Samsung is just recycling its 24" TN panel, and it has great demand as gateway and HP both have now "high end" 24" TN panel...

this sucks.

 

[n7]

What a sad future LCDs seems to be heading toward.

I think we all pretty much knew it was coming, but it angers me greatly to see more & more good LCDs with good panels discontinued in favor of TN crap all over the place.

I gotta give great thanx to the average consumer on this one :roll:...they've fucked us all over, since the manufacturers don't give a flying crap about the 1% of us who actually care about quality.

:frown:

 

[CP5670]

I love these completely over the top contrast ratio numbers we see advertised on many of these things.

 

[Aeros]

Originally posted by: CP5670
I love these completely over the top contrast ratio numbers we see advertised on many of these things.

I have the 245BW with 3000:1 "dynamic" contrast ratio. Which essentially controls the backlighting. In turn making anything displayed on a black background look dull and flat.

I whole-heartedly agree with n7 on the panel quality issue. However, don't give up yet on non TN displays. As we move into the 30" realm no ones going to stand for the crappy viewing angle on TNs.

 

[toadeater]

Originally posted by: Aeros

Originally posted by: CP5670
I love these completely over the top contrast ratio numbers we see advertised on many of these things.

I have the 245BW with 3000:1 "dynamic" contrast ratio. Which essentially controls the backlighting. In turn making anything displayed on a black background look dull and flat.

It also decreases viewing angles. It is a useless gimmick. There are practically no situations where dimming the backlight will improve the quality of an image. Most of the time, it will do more harm than good.

 

[qbfx]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
so Samsung is just recycling its 24" TN panel, and it has great demand as gateway and HP both have now "high end" 24" TN panel...

this sucks.

Gateway and HP both have "high end" 24" panels ? What's so high end about the panels their models use ? What's the difference with Samsung's 24" BTN panel ? Because as far as I know the only thing they have and the 245BW for example doesn't is wide gammut and HDMI and neither of these means better panel (wide gammut is achieved by using better backlights).

 

[Aeros]

Originally posted by: toadeater

Originally posted by: Aeros

Originally posted by: CP5670
I love these completely over the top contrast ratio numbers we see advertised on many of these things.

I have the 245BW with 3000:1 "dynamic" contrast ratio. Which essentially controls the backlighting. In turn making anything displayed on a black background look dull and flat.

It also decreases viewing angles. It is a useless gimmick. There are practically no situations where dimming the backlight will improve the quality of an image. Most of the time, it will do more harm than good.

The only instance dynamic backlighting could improve image quality would be with an LED matrix backlight. Whereas a dark part of an image on a portion of the screen can be dynamically controlled with individual LEDs - as opposed to the entire CCFL backlight.

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: Aeros

Originally posted by: toadeater

Originally posted by: Aeros

Originally posted by: CP5670
I love these completely over the top contrast ratio numbers we see advertised on many of these things.

I have the 245BW with 3000:1 "dynamic" contrast ratio. Which essentially controls the backlighting. In turn making anything displayed on a black background look dull and flat.

It also decreases viewing angles. It is a useless gimmick. There are practically no situations where dimming the backlight will improve the quality of an image. Most of the time, it will do more harm than good.

The only instance dynamic backlighting could improve image quality would be with an LED matrix backlight. Whereas a dark part of an image on a portion of the screen can be dynamically controlled with individual LEDs - as opposed to the entire CCFL backlight.

Well, even the monitors with LED backlights have something like 50 of them spread out over the panel, in order to maintain color uniformity across the screen. I don't think there are any out there with individual LEDs for each pixel, which would be prohibitively expensive.

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: qbfx

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
so Samsung is just recycling its 24" TN panel, and it has great demand as gateway and HP both have now "high end" 24" TN panel...

this sucks.

Gateway and HP both have "high end" 24" panels ? What's so high end about the panels their models use ? What's the difference with Samsung's 24" BTN panel ? Because as far as I know the only thing they have and the 245BW for example doesn't is wide gammut and HDMI and neither of these means better panel (wide gammut is achieved by using better backlights).

the features, look. since they all have same TN panel inside, that is what separates one from another. Note the ", meaning that they are really not high end at all, high end TN is oxymoron.

 

[BFG10K]

I think we all pretty much knew it was coming, but it angers me greatly to see more & more good LCDs with good panels discontinued in favor of TN crap all over the place.

I gotta give great thanx to the average consumer on this one ...they've fucked us all over, since the manufacturers don't give a flying crap about the 1% of us who actually care about quality.

I feel the same way about CRTs being replaced by LCDs.

 

[draganjr]

Question. I am lost when it comes to the whole panel type. I am looking for a 24". would this be a good LCD? I will be using it for the PS# and PC.

I am using a 226BW at this moment.

I found this (LINK)

 

[qbfx]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

Originally posted by: qbfx

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
so Samsung is just recycling its 24" TN panel, and it has great demand as gateway and HP both have now "high end" 24" TN panel...

this sucks.

Gateway and HP both have "high end" 24" panels ? What's so high end about the panels their models use ? What's the difference with Samsung's 24" BTN panel ? Because as far as I know the only thing they have and the 245BW for example doesn't is wide gammut and HDMI and neither of these means better panel (wide gammut is achieved by using better backlights).

the features, look. since they all have same TN panel inside, that is what separates one from another. Note the ", meaning that they are really not high end at all, high end TN is oxymoron.

yeah but then again panel means one thing and monitor another

 

[konakona]

I keep hearing some minority opinions that claim how TNs came a long way and became more than competitive to PVA/VMA/IPS, except for the obvious shortcoming in viewing angles. Does anyone know enough about this?

My first and only (hopefully last) LCD purchase was a P-VMA in soyo topaz, and I was quite pleased with it. The wishful side of me is hoping OLED (or any other novel tech, I know SED wont make it to the mainstream desktop monitors, sigh ) would take over soon enough, but realistically speaking the rumored new IPS panels with OLED backlighting sound quite interesting to me.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: n7
What a sad future LCDs seems to be heading toward.

I think we all pretty much knew it was coming, but it angers me greatly to see more & more good LCDs with good panels discontinued in favor of TN crap all over the place.

I gotta give great thanx to the average consumer on this one :roll:...they've ------ us all over, since the manufacturers don't give a flying crap about the 1% of us who actually care about quality.

:frown:

Little bit over dramatic, aren't we? I don't mind TN panels.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: n7
What a sad future LCDs seems to be heading toward.

I think we all pretty much knew it was coming, but it angers me greatly to see more & more good LCDs with good panels discontinued in favor of TN crap all over the place.

I gotta give great thanx to the average consumer on this one :roll:...they've ------ us all over, since the manufacturers don't give a flying crap about the 1% of us who actually care about quality.

:frown:

Little bit over dramatic, aren't we? I don't mind TN panels.

I like my TN panel quite a bit. I see how they'd be bad for a TV where people sit all around the room, but for my computer it works fine as I sit right in front of it.

 

[nanaki333]

Originally posted by: CP5670
I love these completely over the top contrast ratio numbers we see advertised on many of these things.

i like the new LED backlit LCD panels samsung has with 500,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...oduct&id=1184767919423

 

[flexy]

"dynamic contrast" == nonsense. Just another way to be able to use some PR blahblah and be able to use "high" numbers.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: nanaki333

Originally posted by: CP5670
I love these completely over the top contrast ratio numbers we see advertised on many of these things.

i like the new LED backlit LCD panels samsung has with 500,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...oduct&id=1184767919423

I'd like to see one of those in person rather than just reading the spec's.

Also, ya should linked to the 70" one... it's $40 Grand.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...oduct&id=1197073928544

Also, are these OLED Displays? or just better LCD panels?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: n7
What a sad future LCDs seems to be heading toward.

I think we all pretty much knew it was coming, but it angers me greatly to see more & more good LCDs with good panels discontinued in favor of TN crap all over the place.

I gotta give great thanx to the average consumer on this one :roll:...they've ------ us all over, since the manufacturers don't give a flying crap about the 1% of us who actually care about quality.

:frown:

Little bit over dramatic, aren't we? I don't mind TN panels.

I like my TN panel quite a bit. I see how they'd be bad for a TV where people sit all around the room, but for my computer it works fine as I sit right in front of it.

I think my TN is gorgeous. What's the big deal? I've seen other panel types, but the superiority of M panels is greatly over-exaggerated. TN's are just fine.

And N7, why would you think the rest of us 99% do not care about quality? Obviously, TN's are good enough for all usage. If someone owns a TN, then they don't care about quality? I beg to differ and opt not walk down that narrow passageway you choose to stroll through.

First, everyone was not smart enough to go Vista 64 but a select few, and now TN owners don't want quality. What's next?

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: konakona
I keep hearing some minority opinions that claim how TNs came a long way and became more than competitive to PVA/VMA/IPS, except for the obvious shortcoming in viewing angles. Does anyone know enough about this?

My first and only (hopefully last) LCD purchase was a P-VMA in soyo topaz, and I was quite pleased with it. The wishful side of me is hoping OLED (or any other novel tech, I know SED wont make it to the mainstream desktop monitors, sigh ) would take over soon enough, but realistically speaking the rumored new IPS panels with OLED backlighting sound quite interesting to me.

They have improved in some ways. The black levels are now pretty good by LCD standards (better than IPS), and they have always had the edge in response time and input lag. However, they will always be hindered by the 6-bit color depth, which is apparently an inherent limitation of the technology. Still pictures don't reveal the dithering artifacts, but you can see them in a lot of games and moving gradients in general.

OLED displays are still some ways off unfortunately, with mass production starting in 2010 last I heard. I'm glad I picked up my CRT just before the good ones all went out of production.