Samsung and google delay nexus prime launch

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alent1234

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Unless the announcement was going to be the same day as the funeral, which several people who would be at the announcement wanted to attend, delaying the announcement makes no sense.

Previously, they could have made their announcement before the 4S launch. Now they'll announce after, possibly losing a lot of potential customers who go out and buy a 4S in lieu of whatever may have been announced that might persuade them to hold off for that instead.

Steve always struck me as the type of person who wouldn't have put up with this kind of nonsense. If he had died before the Apple announcement he probably would have spent some of his last hours telling the rest of the company that they'd damned well better present on time or he'd come back to haunt them.
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yes it does, chances are that they were going to rehearse all weekend long. now they have a funeral to attend. not like they were going to go on stage and just wing it
 
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Patranus said:
Fandroids just don't get how big of an impact Steve Jobs made on the world.
Love or hate his products, everything he touched disturbed the related industries.
This move illustrates that.
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sygyzy

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Who cares if they say it's out of respect and it happens to benefit them otherwise. People are knocking Samsung and Google saying they have other reasons to delay it. The fact is, it is respectful, what they are doing. If it happens to also give them time to fix bugs or get them more press coverage, so be it.

It's like when people complain that a person only donated $100k to a school because their daughter goes there. So what? The school got the money, didn't they?
 
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Mopetar

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alent1234 said:
yes it does, chances are that they were going to rehearse all weekend long. now they have a funeral to attend. not like they were going to go on stage and just wing it
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So you're saying a day at a funeral would have completely ruined their rehearsal time?

Even if they were slightly less rehearsed, It still doesn't make it worth the lost opportunity from moving the whole announcement back.

The only conceivable reason for this is that things weren't fully baked and an extra week will give them a better product to demo and that this is just a convenient reason to give for the delay.

If it were Apple, I don't think that they would have delayed. They probably would have added a tribute to Steve in the presentation, but I can't see them ever delaying a presentation by over a week, especially for a product that will be shipping soon.
 
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Mopetar

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sygyzy said:
Who cares if they say it's out of respect and it happens to benefit them otherwise. People are knocking Samsung and Google saying they have other reasons to delay it. The fact is, it is respectful, what they are doing. If it happens to also give them time to fix bugs or get them more press coverage, so be it.
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I'm not saying it isn't respectful, I'm just saying it's a stupid business decision.

This event would get a lot of mainstream press and attention, which is one of the easiest ways to get the vast majority of their target audience aware of and interested in their product.

Apple is going to advertise the hell out of their new phone and a lot of people are going to buy one at launch. A non-zero amount of these people probably would have delayed their purchase to get a Nexus Prime, but they're not going to hear about it until it's too late.

That's why delaying the announcement is utterly moronic, respectful or not.
 
WelshBloke

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So you're saying a day at a funeral would have completely ruined their rehearsal time?

Even if they were slightly less rehearsed, It still doesn't make it worth the lost opportunity from moving the whole announcement back.

The only conceivable reason for this is that things weren't fully baked and an extra week will give them a better product to demo and that this is just a convenient reason to give for the delay.

If it were Apple, I don't think that they would have delayed. They probably would have added a tribute to Steve in the presentation, but I can't see them ever delaying a presentation by over a week, especially for a product that will be shipping soon.
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Its just an announcement, the launch is not going to be delayed. They aren't losing anything by delaying.
 
WelshBloke

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Mopetar said:
Apple is going to advertise the hell out of their new phone and a lot of people are going to buy one at launch. A non-zero amount of these people probably would have delayed their purchase to get a Nexus Prime, but they're not going to hear about it until it's too late.
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People that buy Apple products on launch day are not normally looking to buy an Android phone.
 
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YoungGun21

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They already teased it all, and new leaks are coming out every day. I wouldn't be surprised if they had this planned the whole time.
 
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Mopetar

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WelshBloke said:
Its just an announcement, the launch is not going to be delayed. They aren't losing anything by delaying.
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The actual launch date has nothing to do with it. Here are two different scenarios:

Scenario A:
Code: 
1) Announcement for new iPhone device
2) Announcement for new flagship Android device
3) New iPhone device goes on sale
4) New Android device goes on sale

Scenario B:
Code: 
1) Announcement for new iPhone device
2) New iPhone device goes on sale
3) Announcement for new flagship Android device
4) New Android device goes on sale

It really doesn't matter if the time between steps 3 and 4 is a lot larger than the amount of time between any other steps. The difference is that a new iPhone is big news and that Apple will be heavily advertising it prior to launch. A lot of people are going to buy it and considering that the 4S isn't a major change from the previous generation, I think Apple isn't going to have the same kind of serious supply constraints that they've seen when previously releasing new products.

However, if there's an announcement for a new flagship Android device, which has a lot of compelling features (720p screen anyone) that makes its way out to the masses before the iPhone 4S goes on sale, there are going to be some people who decide to hold off their purchase.

That why, respectful or not, I think that this is an utterly stupid business decision.
 
zinfamous

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Patranus said:
Fandroids just don't get how big of an impact Steve Jobs made on the world.
Love or hate his products, everything he touched disturbed the related industries.
This move illustrates that.
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does the P&N mentality ever leave your drug-addled brain?
 
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PeeluckyDuckee

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The delay is both a business decision as well as matter of respect from the community. From a PR perspective, no company would want to be seen as insensitive by the eyes of the world.
 
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Mopetar

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DLeRium said:
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/07/steve-jobs-funeral-today-no-public-memorial-event-planned/

But today was Steve Jobs' Funeral... not Tuesday?
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That and it was a small, private gathering. I'm doubtful that many or any of the executives who would be presenting at the Google/Samsung event would be attending.

I really think that there's another reason behind this delay. Either something wasn't ready or there was something that Apple announced with the 4S that caught Google/Samsung off guard.
 
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jiffylube1024

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Why is this even a theory -- that the event was delayed because some of the presenters would be at Steve Jobs' funeral?

Doesn't their wording make the most sense -- that now is just not the right *time* to make the announcement? The media is doing its 24/7 news cycle on all things Jobs. Probably not the best environment to launch a new Android product in, which will purport to destroy the new iPhone, etc.

From the sounds of the Nexus Prime/ICS announcement, it sounds like they will do a lot of spec toting, pointing out how dominant Android has been in sales the past 3 months (about 2:1 compared to Apple), etc. It's probably best to not do that when Steve Jobs and the iPhone are the dominant news story of the week. Seems sensible to me from both a business perspective and a "respect the dead" point of view.
 
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Mopetar

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jiffylube1024 said:
Why is this even a theory -- that the event was delayed because some of the presenters would be at Steve Jobs' funeral?
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Because it's a crap reason, especially in light of all the other information. Their event was scheduled for the October, 11. Jobs's funeral, which was cited as being both small and private was held yesterday. It's unlikely that any of the people actually running the presentation would have been at Jobs's funeral, so that excuse goes right out the window. Even if they were, at worst they lose half a day.

Also, pushing the announcement until after the iPhone 4S launch is a bad business decision. Everyone who buys an iPhone 4S from now until the announcement is a lost customer. If they announce before the iPhone 4S, there're a lot of people that they can probably get to hold off on purchasing the 4S.

Put frankly, there's no good reason for Google to have delayed the event for the reason they've given. Not trying to suggest that there's some sinister reason for the delay, but if they were to announce such a delay without any reason given, a lot of people would start assuming that things are horribly wrong and that kind of fear-mongering doesn't help anyone but the link bait craving crows that write it. Saying it's about Jobs's gives them a reason to keep the crows away.
 
gorcorps

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Mopetar said:
Because it's a crap reason, especially in light of all the other information. Their event was scheduled for the October, 11. Jobs's funeral, which was cited as being both small and private was held yesterday. It's unlikely that any of the people actually running the presentation would have been at Jobs's funeral, so that excuse goes right out the window. Even if they were, at worst they lose half a day.

Also, pushing the announcement until after the iPhone 4S launch is a bad business decision. Everyone who buys an iPhone 4S from now until the announcement is a lost customer. If they announce before the iPhone 4S, there're a lot of people that they can probably get to hold off on purchasing the 4S.

Put frankly, there's no good reason for Google to have delayed the event for the reason they've given. Not trying to suggest that there's some sinister reason for the delay, but if they were to announce such a delay without any reason given, a lot of people would start assuming that things are horribly wrong and that kind of fear-mongering doesn't help anyone but the link bait craving crows that write it. Saying it's about Jobs's gives them a reason to keep the crows away.
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Why does it matter why they pushed it back? Who cares? Whether it's a stupid reason or a good reason, truly related to Jobs or not, it doesn't matter. It got delayed...


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