Samsung 830/840 pro vs OCZ Vector?

Discussion in 'Memory and Storage' started by eskp4sure, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. groberts101

    groberts101 Golden Member

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    I'm pretty sure that's the least of his worries now that the drive has locked.
     
  2. capeconsultant

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    Sure would like to see some Toolbox Software for the Vector :(
     
  3. rob.L

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    of course but just found it funny how he praised the Samsung for including a physical CD meanwhile it doesn't include a desktop adapter for a flagship drive when even some budget SSDs include one.
     
  4. cytg111

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    - Yea, right! It aint gonna take 6 months and some forum posts to turn that reputation around! I dont know why some ppl are in such a hurry jumping to their defence, what they did back with the vertext2/3, in the face of consumers and add the arrogance .. No thanks man.
     
  5. cytg111

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    - Yes, yet again, how many members do we have with Vectors ?
     
  6. groberts101

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    Wanna bet? :)

    Most consumers are not nearly as hardened.. or even aware of past issues for that matter.. that OCZ is known to be the WORST company in existence, eh? :hmm:

    Only the enthusiast types even give a damn as price and availability trump experience.. or bad luck/experiences.. almost every time for more average consumers. Newegg.. or hardware france ratings.. forum rants(good or bad) will only do so much to affect sales and that's just the way the world works my friend.

    On average.. people are just sheep to be herded along with the masses when it's all boiled right down and OCZ's herd ain't exactly little.
     
  7. Mfusick

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    The myriad of Samsung fans are gonna flame you for this.

    You can't say good stuff about OCZ at Anand. It's not allowed.
    Moderators might ban you.
     
  8. josephjpeters

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    lol - This is going to be good.
     
  9. Ao1

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    You seem to be stating that the Vector is faster than the Samsung 840Pro based on the real world tests that you linked. I honestly don’t know which drive is fastest in the real world, as I don’t own a Vector, but the links you provided do not support your assertion.

    · Toms: the first benchmark seems to be based on how long it took to clone a drive using a laptop as the source drive. Chances are that it was the laptop read speed that was being benchmarked, not the write speed of the drives under test, which would explain why all drives perform about the same.
    · The second benchmark appears to be based on 2.86 GB file with the concluding comment “so the most accurate we can be is a claim that OCZ's Vector is on par with the non-SandForce-based competition”.
    · The third benchmark is based on an AV scan. All I can say from experience is that if you time different AV runs on the same system you will find that results vary.
    · Tech Report: The correct link to real world copy speeds shows that there is no real difference in the write tasks.
    · Tweak town: All of the benchmarks are synthetic.
    · PC Perspective: They used a different capacity 840Pro to compare performance with the Vector, but excluding that the results are not conclusive either way.

    Sadly there is no conclusive proof either way. I’m also unsure how the reviewers are timing the tasks. If they are going by Windows explorer they are measuring how fast the file system is and not how fast the storage system is. Sure there are related, but if you want to measure real world tasks it helps if you measure what you are specifically testing. Also most real world tasks are read intensive not write intensive, yet none of tasks are based on reads, apart from the AV scan, which is flawed.
     
  10. ddarko

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    It's not mutually exclusive, you can include a CD and also have it available for download. This is standard practice for many companies like Asus, Gigabyte, Western Digital or Seagate that have drivers or software bundled with their products and also post them on their sites. OCZ is the odd man out. I like having everything come in the box with the product - it's literally penny-pinching not to include a CD. It's not the end of the world that a CD wasn't included - I even described it as "minor quibble" - but it's a convenience to have it on hand.

    My case includes a 2.5" mounting bracket so I don't need a 3.5" desktop adapter. That may be important to some people but it isn't to me.

    I sent the drive back to Newegg for replacement so I don't know whether they'd provide a failure report. I assume I could get one if I had dealt with OCZ support directly but since I didn't, may be out of my hands now. There's a post on the OCZ Vector support forum about a dead drive from an Italian user from two weeks ago so his dead drive pre-dates mine. His died just after he installed Windows, much shorter lifespan than mine, but it sounds similar to what happened to me.
     
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  11. ddarko

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    Just noticed that someone from the UK on the OCZ forums just reported his 128gb Vector died after five days:

    http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?108425-Dead-vector-128gb

    Coupled with this Italian user's report of his dead 256gb Vector here:

    http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/f...w-os-installation-the-ssd-is-compleately-dead

    plus my own experience with my Vector dying - random bad luck or something else? Newegg notified me today my replacement Vector has been shipped and I am not exactly jumping for joy at the news. The Samsung 840 Pro I picked up has been fine so far. I think I will stay with it.
     
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  12. garikfox

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    Yeah thats scary I have a unopened Vector 128GB I got it before my 840 Pro 128GB, Im sticking with my 840 Pro too, I guess ill sell my Vector
     
  13. josephjpeters

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    You look at support forums to determine reliability? How do you know it's not user error in those other cases? I'm sure you'd see similar stories if you looked at the 840 forums (if there are any..?).
     
  14. TemjinGold

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    Not here to defend the Vector but seriously? You see FOUR dead drives out of who knows how many were sold and you've written it off as a bad product? Can you at least be fair and scour the Samsung forums too?
     
  15. JJonah

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    Both my 830's have frozen my comp at windows start up and while gaming yet I never once saw my system freeze with my 7200 rpm spindle drive. SSDs are fast but for me their reliability has been sketchy at best. Maybe I got a bad pair but im seriously thinking about going back to spindle after almost a full year using these so-called elite samsungs.
     
  16. cytg111

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    So, i figured we had alot of "new" guys in here, so i did a headcount on this -not so huge thread-.

    nick / # posts
    eskp4sure : 1
    josephjpeters : 55
    Amnesia1187 : 19
    rob.L : 12
    Ao1 : 58
    JJonah : 2

    And I dunno, call me paranoid.
     
  17. Ao1

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    I had a quick scan out of interest. Nothing exciting.
    Samsung Product Review Feedback for 840Pro
    http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/memory-storage/MZ-7PD256BW-reviews
    Samsung Support Forum 840Pro
    http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/MZ-7PD256BW
    http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/MZ-7PD256BW-support/ask-and-answer
     
  18. Puffnstuff

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    I'm liking my 840 pro and it has sped up my system noticeably.
     
  19. ddarko

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    I look at 1) personal experience; and 2) available data. Users reporting dead drives constitutes data - it's not the complete picture but it IS data and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand as you seem eager to do. What evidence do you have to suggest the dead drives were caused by user error? Your own suspicions? What's the grounds you have for that? Does baseless suspicion qualify as evidence in your book? It doesn't in mine, I take the reports of dead drives at face value until evidence suggests otherwise.

    People who have a bad experience with something are entitled to draw conclusions from it - they don't need a double blind, peer reviewed study before acting. If I get food poisoning at a restaurant, I don't keep on going back because there's no "evidence" it was anything more than a random fluke. OCZ has a history of reliability issues that the company itself alludes to and obliquely acknowledges when it advertises the Vector is the most thoroughly tested drive it has ever developed. I've got no axe to grind with them - you're free to look at my past posts, I've never ever even posted about any SSD maker before since this is my first one. In researching the drives, I became aware of the hostility many folks on forums have toward OCZ but I was open-minded about it because of the good reviews - $270 spent is proof of that. And the drive died on me three days after I installed it. Sorry if that doesn't constitute sufficient evidence of reliability for you.

    You're free to spend your money as you wish and dismiss the reports of dead drives as random problems or caused by inept dummies but personally, I've got no desire to install the replacement Vector. Once burnt, I'm not going to stick my hand in the fire to make sure it's really hot. The Samsung 840 Pro I got is working well. It's been installed for a week now which is already over twice as long as the Vector's lifespan.
     
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    For the record, I think this is quite fair and natural. It has a bad history, they say they've changed, you gave it a fair shake. Maybe the product isn't as good as they say it should be or maybe you got a bad draw of the lottery. Who knows. But if I were in your shoes, I'd probably react the exact same way since the 840 Pro is working fine.

    In my own defense though, I was not trying to defend the Vector but merely trying to point out that any product (SSD or otherwise) shouldn't be written off as a failed product on the basis of a grand total of four dead units out of the (I'm guessing) thousands of units sold. But to be clear, I don't think it unreasonable that you are personally avoiding the product due to personal experience.
     
  21. ddarko

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    TemjinGold, that's very fair of you. You can see my attitude toward the Vector has changed a bit - in my very first post about it dying, even I included a caution not to draw a conclusion about the product. But while waiting for the RMA, I saw the posts on the OCZ forums about two other dead drives under similar circumstances. None of us reported dead drives out of the box - all drives were working when they were installed, they just died suddenly and without any warning signs within hours to five days of use. I've got no hesitation saying that's still not enough evidence to indict the Vector as buggy and just to be clear, I haven't said it is. But I do think the three reports is enough to start asking whether something else is going on and that's what I've done. There was a question mark at the end of my "random bad luck or something else?" comment and it wasn't rhetorical, I genuinely meant it as open-ended. There's not much more I can say, I don't have the time/knowledge/equipment to run my own tests on the replacement Vector. Other people will have to contribute their own experiences, both positive and negative.
     
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    So those rumors are false as OCZ is gonna get buyed out or something ?
     
  23. capeconsultant

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    Ironically my backups are now even more important than when I had spinners. And they were extremely important then. It is the freakiness of the "instant death" that SSD's seem to have that spinners did not seem to have to such a degree. Which belies the generally accepted "these are MUCH more reliable than spinners" to a strange degree.

    I was aware of OCZ in the beginning, and may have even had one at sometime. Vertex 2 or three rings a bell. But none broke, and I sold them on eBay as I do when I get newer drives. I am a true hard drive nut and love them and will always get a newer/better one before the current one croaks. At least croaks from being used up over time. I did have 2 DOA SSD's I think. One for sure from the Mac OWC. And that was supposed to be a superior drive in every way, and was very high priced. I sent it back for a full refund and have the same feeling about them as the above poster did with his Vector. Maybe the luck of the draw but I was not willing to go back.

    I recently HAD food poisoning and THAT was a really strange ordeal especially as I could not pin down the source perfectly. I have my idea and will not be going there for a VERY VERY long time, if ever. And I really liked the place too.
     
  24. Mfusick

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    I was thinking the same thing. You only see posts or hear about issues. No one with a perfectly working drive takes the time and effort to post in a support forum.

    a few dead drives is nothing. I bet there is a few dead drives each day with Samsung... probably about 3% of sales. That seems about normal for SSD.

    You can't declare anything on such a small sample size.

    I also noticed most of the people posting negatives have Samsung 840 in the signature that predates the VECTOR release. Makes me question if they are making stuff up to defend a personal belief or bash on OCZ.
     
  25. Coup27

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    You guys are unreal. Even when a new user buys OCZ's top of the range drive and it dies he's still not allowed to think anything negative about either the drive or the experience.
     
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