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BenSkywalker

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Do you have any numbers to back this up?
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http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/21/andro...nt-of-the-market-but-ipad-still-doubles-that/

In Q2 2011 4.6 Million Android tablets sold, Q2 2010 3.3 Million iPads sold. The second link you provided uses the same numbers I am quoting. Apple's tablet marketshare dropped by ~30% in the first half of this year, the overall tablet market has exploded though leaving them selling a much larger overall number of tablets. Be that as it may, Android tablets at this point seem to be selling rather well- most people will remember how difficult it was to find a Transformer for quite some time, the actual sales numbers back this situation up.
 
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BenSkywalker said:
http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/21/andro...nt-of-the-market-but-ipad-still-doubles-that/

In Q2 2011 4.6 Million Android tablets sold, Q2 2010 3.3 Million iPads sold. The second link you provided uses the same numbers I am quoting. Apple's tablet marketshare dropped by ~30% in the first half of this year, the overall tablet market has exploded though leaving them selling a much larger overall number of tablets. Be that as it may, Android tablets at this point seem to be selling rather well- most people will remember how difficult it was to find a Transformer for quite some time, the actual sales numbers back this situation up.
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Read the link he posted. Using Google's own numbers as of September 2, ~1.4% of Android devices that access Android Market are running some version of Honeycomb. That works out to around 2 million Honeycomb tablets total, not just from one quarter. Clearly there's a huge discrepancy between the "shipped" numbers that they are reporting and the actual purchases.
 
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The key thing (for me) is that the s-amoled display will be viewable outdoors. I have a transformer and it completely washes out in sunlight. WIth the 7.7 I think it will make a fine book reader as well as general tablet.

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Sorry but the Transformers screen is garbage compared to the Tab 7.7 and the Tab 10.1 isn't much better. The 7.7 has better contrast, black levels, response time, viewing angles. and pixel density.

I am tempted to buy this solely for the screen whereas I have no desire to own one of the other honeycomb tablets.
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BenSkywalker

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Using Google's own numbers as of September 2, ~1.4% of Android devices that access Android Market are running some version of Honeycomb.
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Where to start, first thing to point out would be that the number you are quoting is a sampling of the Market for a singular week. Not ever, not for the quarter, for the week. The second point would be that it isn't based on version of OS- not what was linked.

That works out to around 2 million Honeycomb tablets total, not just from one quarter.
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Link up where you got the 100% of every Honeycomb tablets accessed the market in that week. Also, you are ignoring all of the non Honeycomb tablets which there are a whole lot of.

Clearly there's a huge discrepancy between the "shipped" numbers that they are reporting and the actual purchases.
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Of course, retailers goal in life, their sole reason for existance is to stockpile billions of Android tablets. They keep ordering more to fill warehouses, that is the only reason they exist! Praise Jobs Hallelujah!
 
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BenSkywalker said:
Where to start, first thing to point out would be that the number you are quoting is a sampling of the Market for a singular week. Not ever, not for the quarter, for the week. The second point would be that it isn't based on version of OS- not what was linked.

Link up where you got the 100% of every Honeycomb tablets accessed the market in that week. Also, you are ignoring all of the non Honeycomb tablets which there are a whole lot of.
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It's based on a sampling over a 14-day period, which should give a perfectly reasonable estimate. And the link I referred to is based on OS (http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html).

Of course not every tablet would have accessed the market during that time-frame, but then again not every phone would have accessed the market either.

How many non-Honeycomb tablets are even sold at stores besides the Galaxy Tab? I have serious doubts that non-Honeycomb tablet sales amount to any meaningful number.

Of course, retailers goal in life, their sole reason for existance is to stockpile billions of Android tablets. They keep ordering more to fill warehouses, that is the only reason they exist! Praise Jobs Hallelujah!
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The manufacturers produce and ship units based on their projections. What happens when sales are way below their projections? Prices get slashed (see Xoom, Iconia, Thrive, Galaxy Tab 7", TouchPad, Playbook). They've all been on sale for $100 or more off their retail price within a few months of being released.
 
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BenSkywalker

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How many non-Honeycomb tablets are even sold at stores besides the Galaxy Tab? I have serious doubts that non-Honeycomb tablet sales amount to any meaningful number.
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You seem to want to ignore the top two selling Android tablets, I can understand that but to be fair we should ignore the top two selling Apple tablets. That seems reasonable. So Apple has 0% marketshare and Android has about ~90% using those guidelines.

The manufacturers produce and ship units based on their projections.
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I work in distribution, maybe in some fans dreams that is how it works. A manufacturer doesn't tell me what they are sending to my warehouse, that isn't how it works. They present a product, and I decide how many units I'm going to buy in. They may produce them in such a manner, but they don't get to randomly ship me what they want, will be a cold day in hell before that is allowed ;)

What happens when sales are way below their projections? Prices get slashed (see Xoom, Iconia, Thrive, Galaxy Tab 7", TouchPad, Playbook).
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If we agree that we are going to ignore the iPad 1, the Nook Color, the iPad 2 and the Transformer then the Galaxy Tab actually sells extremely well. If not, then you may want to rethink your stance. The Nook Color had moved roughly 3 million units by the end of March(hitting 600-700K units per month). One model of one tablet had sold a million units more then your entire market estimate six months ago.

http://venturebeat.com/2011/03/28/nook-color-3m-shipped/

Mac fan sites are pointing to Android's marketshare at this point in the tablet market, I quoted a Mac fan site to start with. Only the most fanatical loyalists to the company are going to argue market data.

The reality is there is a rather decent sized market for Android tablets. Odds are fairly good when Samsung gets these put in the store next to iPads, it's going to make the iPad look cheap by comparison(IPS can't touch the impact of OLED on a showroom floor). What price point they push it at is going to have an impact, but there are a lot of people in the geek community that would love to get their hands on an OLED, ANY OLED, tablet.
 
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Bateluer said:
Not sure how the EU's system works, but doesn't the German court effect the EU?
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Initially they ordered EU wide ban, but then limited it to only Germany after the issue of jurisdiction was raised. Of course IFA was in Germany, so they couldn't market it there. The whole thing is ridiculous, this is Samsung digital photo frame from 2006, well before iPad:
samsung-ipad-photo-frame.jpg

If anything, Samsung should be suing Apple for a blatant rip off.
 
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The Note will be 715 Euros on release in Scandinavia. Which, contrary to exchange rate trolls, means it'll show up here for ~$715 off-contract... if in fact it does show up.

Do want -- though not enough to switch to AT&T, buy/sell an iPhone 5, and self-import this.
 
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engadget says galaxy note is going to be $1000. would any of you pay that much for it? is this going to be the start of a high end cell phone market? im kind of surprised apple hasnt dont something like this already, they definitely have customers who would pay that much for their stuff
 
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OBLAMA2009 said:
engadget says galaxy note is going to be $1000.
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Engadget is full of fail.

Every Android device (heck, every device period) gets priced the same here in dollars as it is there in Euros (Galaxy Tab, Transformer, etc). VAT etc. makes the exchange rate utterly irrelevant/misleading.
 
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s44 said:
Engadget is full of fail.

Every Android device (heck, every device period) gets priced the same here in dollars as it is there in Euros (Galaxy Tab, Transformer, etc). VAT etc. makes the exchange rate utterly irrelevant.
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if its 715 off contract as you say then its only about a hundred bucks more that most high end phones, i guess that makes sense. ill pay that much if its on verizon, i really like the idea of desktop resolutions on a phone
 
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I think Verizon is the *least* likely to get it, though. The Nexus/Droid Prime is rumored to be pretty much the same device with LTE, no button, and a half-inch-smaller (but still HD SAMOLED) screen.

Too bad, since I love the giant screen and the stylus. Amazing how Samsung integrated both capacitive and resistive touch sensitivity into this thing.
 
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OBLAMA2009 said:
engadget says galaxy note is going to be $1000. would any of you pay that much for it? is this going to be the start of a high end cell phone market? im kind of surprised apple hasnt dont something like this already, they definitely have customers who would pay that much for their stuff
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I don't know why techblogs always pull the bullshit move of straight currency conversions. If you are going to do that at least give an example of another product so the readers have context.

For context, in one Scandinavian country, the 32GB iPhone 4 is listed on Apple's site for 739 Euros ($1040). Obviously, the price for the unlocked 32GB iPhone 4 in US is not over $1000, it's $750.
 
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I just received my new company supplied iPhone4 so I have the luxury of waiting to see when/if the Note arrives here in the USA. If it does and is less than $800 I might just HAVE to get one for my personal phone.

I highly suspect Apple will attempt to halt the sale of the Note but given the very obvious split from the Apple format and the inclusion of a device Apple has frequently ridiculed, the stylus, it should be harder for Apple to get an injunction against a product like the Note.


Brian
 
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