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Samsung HL-R5678W - 56" 1080p HDTV
$1829
Samsung HL-R5678W - 56" 1080p HDTV
$1829
Samsung 56" 1080p DLP HDTV - $1829
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Nice deal, but this isn't a true 1080p HDTV. Check out the newer Samsung models out now, they have the latest TI chips with true 1080P.
Nonetheless, a good deal for a 56".
Nonetheless, a good deal for a 56".
Very nice 2005 model Samsung, my brother has the 60" version and is very happy with it.
The display is true 1080p but only the VGA input allows that, HDMI is 1080i.
I just paid $2,500 for a 50" 2006 model, so this is an excellent deal if you don't mind the 1080i inputs.
The display is true 1080p but only the VGA input allows that, HDMI is 1080i.
I just paid $2,500 for a 50" 2006 model, so this is an excellent deal if you don't mind the 1080i inputs.
People keep talking about true HD is 1080p. No HD is 720P and 1080i. 1080p is beyond the orignal hd Specs. Thier is not broadcast shows in 1080p. People are are so suck on a numbe that have no idea that the number is worthless. And don't say BLue-ray, because 1080p don't work right for them either yet. Ask any one with a blue-ray drive.
Next time you are going to criticize someone elses grammer, make sure that yours is a lot better than that.
But nice TV for a nice price!
several years, and cost about $200 to replace.
If you buy one of these with the right credit card, it will double the Samsung warranty to 2 years.
I was looking at this one before.
What about this TV ?
http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=TB62HM195
Specs:
http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=62HM195
TALEN? X 1080p DLP? Engine
Xtreme BLAC? (Black Level Aperture Control)
PixelPure AT? (Adaptive Technology)
CableClear? DNR+
Digital Cable Ready with CableCARD? Slot
Radiance? 150 Hi-Bright Lamp
Integrated HD DLP? Projection TV
ATSC/QAM Tuners
Audio
SRS® WOW?
Separate Woofers and Tweeters
StableSound®
Total Audio Wattage: 40 W
Convenience
6-Item A/V Illuminated Remote with DVD and Audio Control
HD Window? POP
Split Screen
MultiWindow (9)
Tri-Lingual On-screen Display
Off/Sleep Timer
GameTimer?
TV Guide On Screen? Interactive Program Guide
Jackpacks
HDMI? (High-Definition Multimedia Interface)
IEEE1394 with DTV Link
Optical Audio Outputs (1)
What about this TV ?
http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=TB62HM195
Specs:
http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=62HM195
TALEN? X 1080p DLP? Engine
Xtreme BLAC? (Black Level Aperture Control)
PixelPure AT? (Adaptive Technology)
CableClear? DNR+
Digital Cable Ready with CableCARD? Slot
Radiance? 150 Hi-Bright Lamp
Integrated HD DLP? Projection TV
ATSC/QAM Tuners
Audio
SRS® WOW?
Separate Woofers and Tweeters
StableSound®
Total Audio Wattage: 40 W
Convenience
6-Item A/V Illuminated Remote with DVD and Audio Control
HD Window? POP
Split Screen
MultiWindow (9)
Tri-Lingual On-screen Display
Off/Sleep Timer
GameTimer?
TV Guide On Screen? Interactive Program Guide
Jackpacks
HDMI? (High-Definition Multimedia Interface)
IEEE1394 with DTV Link
Optical Audio Outputs (1)
thats a pretty good deal, I paid almost that much for my 46 inch about a year ago.
Anyone know if and when LCD screens will get up to those sizes. I'd rather buy one of those instead of another DLP, no lamps to worry about.
Anyone know if and when LCD screens will get up to those sizes. I'd rather buy one of those instead of another DLP, no lamps to worry about.
LCD screens have lamps too dont they? But yea, i'd rather wait for LCDs to go bigger as i dont like how the images of some DLPs look. Not only that, viewing angle isnt that great. Maby that changed but not on the DLPs that i've seen in real life.
No, viewing angle is still bad for DLP and LCD rear-projection sets even with the 2006 models. Side-to-side is a decently wide cone but standing up and looking down at the screen it's pretty dim.
Of course a 42" budget LCD (Westinghouse) costs more than this 56" DLP, and a major-brand 40" costs much more. 50" plasmas cost $1K more.
Of course a 42" budget LCD (Westinghouse) costs more than this 56" DLP, and a major-brand 40" costs much more. 50" plasmas cost $1K more.
Uhmm hi, viewing angles blow on lcds as well. (direct view, non projection). If yer not a retard about placing the tv, viewing angles on any type of display device is a moot issue.
You guys that are waiting, you will be waiting loooong time for any tech to match price performance of dlp right now. In the meantime you will be missing alot of neat hd programming.
nice find op.
btw ive owned both toshiba and sammie rear pj tvs.. samsung > tosh imho.
You guys that are waiting, you will be waiting loooong time for any tech to match price performance of dlp right now. In the meantime you will be missing alot of neat hd programming.
nice find op.
btw ive owned both toshiba and sammie rear pj tvs.. samsung > tosh imho.
What are you talking about, viewing angles is a moot point? I don't care where the hell you place the TV, you still may have an issue with viewing angles. If you place the TV in the living room and your wife wants to watch her show from the kitchen off to the side, it's going to look like crap on a DLP. Having parties and having people scattered around the room looking at the TV will also produce less than stellar picture quality for the people not veiwing the TV straight on. BUT, if you always view the TV from your couch everytime you are going to watch a show or movie, DLP should be fine. LCD have an issue with viewing angles too, but not nearly as much as DLP sets (IME). Plasma on the other hand looks GREAT from just about any angle. They do cost more and do use up more power, but damn, the PQ is AWESOME! If you have a get together for something like a superbowl party, everyone in the room is going to have a great looking picture, no matter where they sit. BUT, you'll have to pay to play with plasma, but in the end DLP and plasma's cost even out. DLPs are cheaper up front, but require ~$200-300 bulb replacements which could be as often as every 1-2yrs depending on the DLP model and usage of the set. Spread that out over an average lifespan of a new plasma (10 yrs), and the cost evens out and may cost more in the end. You'll also have to hope the bulb for your set is still being manufactured 7-10 yrs from now. The actual bulb cost may spike up if they are no longer being produced.
And FYI, I recommended a 50" Samsung HDTV to my brother and he loves it. But he always sits right infront of the set.
Great TV for the price though.Actually you are only partially correct. 720p and 1080i are both HD formats, but so is 1080p. The numbers are not worthless. The higher the number and progressive, the sharper the picture on larger sets. Yes, 720p and 1080p on a 42" set might not show a big difference, but on a 65"+ size set it would.
Also, I don't know where you get your information but many "Bleading Edge" consumers already have Blu-ray and HD-DVD players that DO work at 1080p along with media that are being sold as that format. And as far as people having trouble with equipment... There are always people having trouble.
F.Y.I. in case you didn't know the new Playstation 3 which will be out before the holidays will output a full 1080p.
And while I agree with you as far as broadcast TV is not yet at 1080p, but it may be in a year or two. It never hurts to be prepared for what is inevitable.
Originally posted by: JackBurton
What are you talking about, viewing angles is a moot point? I don't care where the hell you place the TV, you still may have an issue with viewing angles. If you place the TV in the living room and your wife wants to watch her show from the kitchen off to the side, it's going to look like crap on a DLP. Having parties and having people scattered around the room looking at the TV will also produce less than stellar picture quality for the people not veiwing the TV straight on. BUT, if you always view the TV from your couch everytime you are going to watch a show or movie, DLP should be fine. LCD have an issue with viewing angles too, but not nearly as much as DLP sets (IME). Plasma on the other hand looks GREAT from just about any angle. They do cost more and do use up more power, but damn, the PQ is AWESOME! If you have a get together for something like a superbowl party, everyone in the room is going to have a great looking picture, no matter where they sit. BUT, you'll have to pay to play with plasma, but in the end DLP and plasma's cost even out. DLPs are cheaper up front, but require ~$200-300 bulb replacements which could be as often as every 1-2yrs depending on the DLP model and usage of the set. Spread that out over an average lifespan of a new plasma (10 yrs), and the cost evens out and may cost more in the end. You'll also have to hope the bulb for your set is still being manufactured 7-10 yrs from now. The actual bulb cost may spike up if they are no longer being produced.
And FYI, I recommended a 50" Samsung HDTV to my brother and he loves it. But he always sits right infront of the set.
I'm in total agreement with you about this. That is why I am constantly checking when the 65" panny 1080p plasma will be available. As soon as I see it I will know if that's "The One"
P.S. BTILC is one of my favorite movies. The whole movie is full of great one-liners.
"I feel good, and I'm not scared at all. I just feel kind of... kind of invincible... Is it getting hot in here, or is it just me? "
Originally posted by: Lurker501
Originally posted by: JackBurton
What are you talking about, viewing angles is a moot point? I don't care where the hell you place the TV, you still may have an issue with viewing angles. If you place the TV in the living room and your wife wants to watch her show from the kitchen off to the side, it's going to look like crap on a DLP. Having parties and having people scattered around the room looking at the TV will also produce less than stellar picture quality for the people not veiwing the TV straight on. BUT, if you always view the TV from your couch everytime you are going to watch a show or movie, DLP should be fine. LCD have an issue with viewing angles too, but not nearly as much as DLP sets (IME). Plasma on the other hand looks GREAT from just about any angle. They do cost more and do use up more power, but damn, the PQ is AWESOME! If you have a get together for something like a superbowl party, everyone in the room is going to have a great looking picture, no matter where they sit. BUT, you'll have to pay to play with plasma, but in the end DLP and plasma's cost even out. DLPs are cheaper up front, but require ~$200-300 bulb replacements which could be as often as every 1-2yrs depending on the DLP model and usage of the set. Spread that out over an average lifespan of a new plasma (10 yrs), and the cost evens out and may cost more in the end. You'll also have to hope the bulb for your set is still being manufactured 7-10 yrs from now. The actual bulb cost may spike up if they are no longer being produced.
And FYI, I recommended a 50" Samsung HDTV to my brother and he loves it. But he always sits right infront of the set.
I'm in total agreement with you about this. That is why I am constantly checking when the 65" panny 1080p plasma will be available. As soon as I see it I will know if that's "The One"
P.S. BTILC is one of my favorite movies. The whole movie is full of great one-liners.
"I feel good, and I'm not scared at all. I just feel kind of... kind of invincible... Is it getting hot in here, or is it just me? "
Whoah! Dude, the 50" 1080p is $10,000, I'd hate to see how much the 65" 1080p Panasonic is. But if you can afford it, that thing should be AWESOME looking!
Wow. how many grammer
-) mistakes are there in yours' crtique of his/>? My kingdom for someone able to write a complete sentence without errors :__)
I recently purchased the 61" HL-S6187w (2006 model) and having looked at the old HL-R sets to maybe save a few bucks I would recommend the HL-S sets hands down. True 1080p, nicer cabinet, far less major problems and an all around nicer picture (ISF calibrators have the HL-S sets as THE sets to own right now). From the '05 sets to the '06 sets the Samsung DLP's went from being largely considered as middle of the pack to largely considered top of the line. You don't hear of a person mentioning DLP without mentioning the new HL-S sets. The best part is if you work at it a bit you can get the HL-S sets pretty cheap themselves. I was able to talk the best buy guy down to $2750 on my 61" HL-S (they had it listed for $3400).
There is a lot I want to touch on in this thread...
Being that one of the things I was getting my television for were large gatherings at sporting events, viewing angle was a VERY important factor in my TV buying decision. That said, DLPs have gotten to the point where the viewing angle issues have been drastically reduced. Horizontally there is very little viewing angle, I notice that the picture gets dimmer from the side because I'm looking for it. I have hosted several people looking at it from all angles (the loveseat and chair are at ~45 degree angles from the TV) and no one has mentioned a word. The effect is quite minimal at this point. Vertical viewing angles are a bit of an issue but to counter this I simply went with a taller stand (21.5" high as opposed to the recommended 16-18" for a set the size of mine) and it worked beautifully. There is no dimming at all when standing (great for those large sports gatherings and when I'm doing the dishes in the kitchen) and when sitting it's only about an inch too high (again I notice a very, very, very slight shadow on the top inch or so of the screen and no one else has been able to notice it even when I point it out to them). I am very satisfied with the progress made in viewing angles of these sets.
A bit leary on the numbers here. Bulbs are rated at about 6,000-8,000 hours, which is 3-5 years even if you use your set a large amount each day. CR also predicts bulb cost for the more popular sets to come down as low as $80 in the next couple years. Also there are two ways to look at this. For me (because I'm an ultra paranoid person) the bulb issue was almost a plus in comparison to plasma's aging. With a DLP the bulb eventually goes out, you stick and new one in and it is as good as new. With a plasma once it reaches its half-life where it is deemed unwatchable it is dead plain and simple, and nothing can be done. But worse than that is that just due to the nature of the technology it gets progressively dimmer as time goes by on its way to that half-life (30k hours). I just know being the anal person that I am that 8-10k hours after buying I'd be looking at my plasma wondering how much brighter it used to be.
Each also have other cons that are really viewers choice (DLP SSE vs. Plasma SDE, DLP less deep blacks vs. Plasma severe glare and possible burn-in, although burn-in is much less of an issue nowadays than it used to be).
Each has their pros, each has their cons. Given no price difference which would I take? Who knows, I'd have them very, very close. But given that a plasma with equivalent specs to the DLP set I wanted cost about 8 times as much it made the choice quite easy.
Plasma seems to be the favorite among your casual Joe TVwatchers with the "wouldn't it be cool to have a plasma?" mindset? But the popularity gets much closer among people who actually have to pull out their wallet and spend the time to research what exactly they're getting for that extra $1-2k they'd be dropping on a plasma.
Unless you fall into one of the following categories:
-recent lottery winner
-chief surgeon at a major hospital
-rocket scientist
You are going to be waiting quite a while for that 65" 1080p plasma to come down near a reasonable price. At that point you may as well just wait for SED, which compared to what we have now is really the end-all be-all of TV technology. All of the pros and almost none of the cons of the current technologies.
Wow, quite a rant there. Even speaking strictly in the here and now a 1080p set will resolve a 1080i source much better than a 720p set will, as all it has to do is deinterlace, no scaling required. This is true in practice not just in theory. Taking my girlfriend with little to no knowledge of HDTV technology in to view the 87 and 86 models (1080p vs. 720p) she was immediately able to pick out the 1080p set as there was a noticeable difference in PQ. The 1080p sets being discussed here also used a 10-bit processor (as opposed to the 8 bits used in the HLR models and 720p HLS sets).
In regards to 1080p sources it is true that HD cable/satellite/OTA is sent out in 720p or 1080i rather than 1080p, but don't be foolish enough to assume that there won't be 1080p sources. Blu-ray isn't 1080p right now because of the poorly produced player that hit the shelves first, but it certainly will be and the PS3 is right around the corner pumping out 1080p source material as well. Unless you've got money growing out of places I care not mention here then it seems to make sense to me to future-proof your $2k investment. It's kind of like buying a $2000 HDTV without an HDMI port, you're putting yourself behind right from the get-go. For under 50", 720p makes sense. For anything larger there is going to be a noticeable difference.
There is a lot I want to touch on in this thread...
Being that one of the things I was getting my television for were large gatherings at sporting events, viewing angle was a VERY important factor in my TV buying decision. That said, DLPs have gotten to the point where the viewing angle issues have been drastically reduced. Horizontally there is very little viewing angle, I notice that the picture gets dimmer from the side because I'm looking for it. I have hosted several people looking at it from all angles (the loveseat and chair are at ~45 degree angles from the TV) and no one has mentioned a word. The effect is quite minimal at this point. Vertical viewing angles are a bit of an issue but to counter this I simply went with a taller stand (21.5" high as opposed to the recommended 16-18" for a set the size of mine) and it worked beautifully. There is no dimming at all when standing (great for those large sports gatherings and when I'm doing the dishes in the kitchen) and when sitting it's only about an inch too high (again I notice a very, very, very slight shadow on the top inch or so of the screen and no one else has been able to notice it even when I point it out to them). I am very satisfied with the progress made in viewing angles of these sets.
A bit leary on the numbers here. Bulbs are rated at about 6,000-8,000 hours, which is 3-5 years even if you use your set a large amount each day. CR also predicts bulb cost for the more popular sets to come down as low as $80 in the next couple years. Also there are two ways to look at this. For me (because I'm an ultra paranoid person) the bulb issue was almost a plus in comparison to plasma's aging. With a DLP the bulb eventually goes out, you stick and new one in and it is as good as new. With a plasma once it reaches its half-life where it is deemed unwatchable it is dead plain and simple, and nothing can be done. But worse than that is that just due to the nature of the technology it gets progressively dimmer as time goes by on its way to that half-life (30k hours). I just know being the anal person that I am that 8-10k hours after buying I'd be looking at my plasma wondering how much brighter it used to be.
Each also have other cons that are really viewers choice (DLP SSE vs. Plasma SDE, DLP less deep blacks vs. Plasma severe glare and possible burn-in, although burn-in is much less of an issue nowadays than it used to be).
Each has their pros, each has their cons. Given no price difference which would I take? Who knows, I'd have them very, very close. But given that a plasma with equivalent specs to the DLP set I wanted cost about 8 times as much it made the choice quite easy.
Plasma seems to be the favorite among your casual Joe TVwatchers with the "wouldn't it be cool to have a plasma?" mindset? But the popularity gets much closer among people who actually have to pull out their wallet and spend the time to research what exactly they're getting for that extra $1-2k they'd be dropping on a plasma.
Unless you fall into one of the following categories:
-recent lottery winner
-chief surgeon at a major hospital
-rocket scientist
You are going to be waiting quite a while for that 65" 1080p plasma to come down near a reasonable price. At that point you may as well just wait for SED, which compared to what we have now is really the end-all be-all of TV technology. All of the pros and almost none of the cons of the current technologies.
Wow, quite a rant there. Even speaking strictly in the here and now a 1080p set will resolve a 1080i source much better than a 720p set will, as all it has to do is deinterlace, no scaling required. This is true in practice not just in theory. Taking my girlfriend with little to no knowledge of HDTV technology in to view the 87 and 86 models (1080p vs. 720p) she was immediately able to pick out the 1080p set as there was a noticeable difference in PQ. The 1080p sets being discussed here also used a 10-bit processor (as opposed to the 8 bits used in the HLR models and 720p HLS sets).
In regards to 1080p sources it is true that HD cable/satellite/OTA is sent out in 720p or 1080i rather than 1080p, but don't be foolish enough to assume that there won't be 1080p sources. Blu-ray isn't 1080p right now because of the poorly produced player that hit the shelves first, but it certainly will be and the PS3 is right around the corner pumping out 1080p source material as well. Unless you've got money growing out of places I care not mention here then it seems to make sense to me to future-proof your $2k investment. It's kind of like buying a $2000 HDTV without an HDMI port, you're putting yourself behind right from the get-go. For under 50", 720p makes sense. For anything larger there is going to be a noticeable difference.
So you talked the Best Buy guy all the way down to $2750, huh? Well you could have gotten it here for less without the bargaining .
I helped my brother purchase his DLP set here and they are GREAT!They may not say anything to you, but I'm pretty picky and it bothers the crap out of me (but I wouldn't say anything to you either). The viewing angle issues are still there with DLP sets, but you're right, they have gotten MUCH better. I'd say you've purchased one of the best DLP sets out there now. If DLP is the HD technology you prefer, that is a GREAT set. :thumbsup:
DLP bulbs that are rated at ~6,000hrs comes to a 2yrs life span. Now this obviously is not a set in stone number, but just an average. I calculate it by using 8hrs per day as normal usage. Some people will use it less than 8hrs per day and other will use it more. So on average, 8hrs is a good number. Given that, DLP bulbs last about 2yrs. And as far as bulb cost goes, they have been saying the prices will be coming down for YEARS now. But they've always stayed around the $200 mark. I'll believe it when I see the bulbs at $80. I think this is something sales people say to potential DLP buyers to keep them from freaking out. Now in comparison, Panasonic's new plasmas are rated at 60,000hrs. That is 20yrs using the same calculation. Now this is only half-life, which means half the brightness, which is still watchable. But let's say once your plasma reaches 20yrs old it goes completely out. Are you saying you'll be happy with the same set for 20yrs? I don't know about you, but as much as HD technology is changing, I'd probably buy a newer set even before mine goes out. Definitely before 20yrs is up. SO, if you take the cost of $200 per bulb x 10 (which is the equivalent life span of a plasma), it comes out to $2000 for just the bulbs. This brings your total cost of owning your DLP to $4750. So in reality, it's not that cheap in the long run.
But you're right, each side has its advatages. The person who is actually going to purchase the TV is the one who is going to have to weigh the positives and negatives of each technology and decide which one is better for them. Like I said, I recommended a Samsung DLP to my brother and he loves the set. Very nice TV.
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