samsung 42" Plasma Tv 2599 Free Basic delivery
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Make a note this is NOT an HD TV. It's HD ready, but it scales the picture down to fit it's native resolution of 480 vertical lines.. so if you're viewing 720p you're missing 33% of the picture, and if you're viewing 1080i you're missing 66%.
Still a good deal for a flat screen plasma that's this size.
Still a good deal for a flat screen plasma that's this size.
i wish i had the disposible cash to get one of these... im still pimpin my 10 year old sony trinitron.
66% of the picture??? c'mon...you can't just state a comment like that on this forum and leave it like that. Have you compared a picture side by side on a 42" HDTV plasma of the same brand vs. it's EDTV counterpart? It is definitely not 66% better. At 6 feet or greater, it's almost NO difference. At less than 6 feet, it's SLIGHTLY better at most. Please folks if you want to know about plasma please refer to avsforum.com (where people really know what they are talking about are more than willing to help you out) and not listen to someone who is going to tell you that you are missing 33% of the picture with 720p and 66% of the picture with 1080i with EDTV.
I have a panasonic EDTV and I promise 90% or more of the people on this forum will not be able to tell it's EDTV when i feed it HDTV..at any distance.
The price for the HD version looks pretty hot. The lowest price on Pricegrabber is 4375 w/o shipping.
Hey SuperFyscal...
I was thinking of getting the Panny you are reffering to... In fact, I believe some reviews say that its as good as many HDTVs as far as picture qual goes... Have you been satisfied?
I was thinking of getting the Panny you are reffering to... In fact, I believe some reviews say that its as good as many HDTVs as far as picture qual goes... Have you been satisfied?
The Panny ED 42" models can be had for as low as $2600 or so now (not quite as good as the $2k a lot of people purchased it from Dell for). It's still a substantial savings if you have a 7-9' viewing distance.
480/720 = .666666
1.0 - 0.6666666 = 0.33
0.33*100 = 33%
Yes you will notice the difference. Go buy some glasses, with the money you saved on the TV.
Yes it's a good price, but if you want to see HD programming as it was meant to be seen, or if your're going to hook up a PC to the TV, you should know the difference.
Is it a good deal? Yes.
Is it a good TV? You're damn right!
Is it as good as an HD TV? No.
1.0 - 0.6666666 = 0.33
0.33*100 = 33%
Yes you will notice the difference. Go buy some glasses, with the money you saved on the TV.
Yes it's a good price, but if you want to see HD programming as it was meant to be seen, or if your're going to hook up a PC to the TV, you should know the difference. Is it a good deal? Yes.
Is it a good TV? You're damn right!
Is it as good as an HD TV? No.
For less $$$, you can get an LCD rear projection or DLP rear projection set.
These are not the heavy tube-based sets of a few years ago.
One of these modern sets weigh a lot less than the tube sets of yore.
E.g., a 61" LCD or DLP set is typically under 100 lbs. Smaller ones are lighter.
Their dept is a lot less than it used to be.
RCA even has a ** Big Bucks ** DLP set that's so thin, it's wall mountable.
These are not the heavy tube-based sets of a few years ago.
One of these modern sets weigh a lot less than the tube sets of yore.
E.g., a 61" LCD or DLP set is typically under 100 lbs. Smaller ones are lighter.
Their dept is a lot less than it used to be.
RCA even has a ** Big Bucks ** DLP set that's so thin, it's wall mountable.
I bought this TV at Sears and promptly returned it. It has very poor picture quality--especially blacks and grays. It's been an open box item for about a month at ~$1200 and they can't sell it.
I may have gotten a dud but I would be careful of this model. There's a big thread at AVS Forum on this TV and it's twin made by Akai.
I may have gotten a dud but I would be careful of this model. There's a big thread at AVS Forum on this TV and it's twin made by Akai.
dlp/lcd != plasma
There are plenty or reasons not to buy a dlp/lcd rp set over a plasma. My #1 reason is limited off center viewing.
I agree that CRT is still the best all around display, but if you want a large image, then it's
projector>rear projection>plasma>crt
Yes, technically a HD plasma will have more resolution than an EDTV set. But honestly, are you missing anything if you resize a 1366x768 image to 852x480 ? Does a bridge in a scene suddenly lose 33% of it's width? Is 1080i really 66% better than 480p even though it is only 540p interlaced? I can understand if you're watching a full frame version of a movie that was originally filmed in widescreen, then you can actually say that you're missing so and so percentage of the content.
If you're going to use it as a computer monitor then definitely go with HDTV. Also, if you feel that 24/7 of PBS-HD programming is a must watch then go ahead and get the HDTV plasma. I have a Panny TH50PX20U 50" HDTV plasma in my living room and a Philips 42FD9935 42" EDTV in my bedroom. Does the HD set look better with HD content? Yes, albeit very slightly at < 4ft viewing distance. Is it worth several thousand dollars difference in price? Absolutely not.
Visit AVSForum and you'll sure to find at least one thread arguing about HDTV & EDTV everyday. All DVDs are at 480p so EDTV is perfect for that. Most standard definition contents are at 480i so EDTV is great for that too. With so little HD contents available that are worth watching, there's really no need to spend the extra to get one. That's what I think about the current HD programming. Do not worry about HD contents because the ED set will display HD contents beautifully. Let your eyes be the judge not the specs on the set.
I would stay away from this particular set though. I bought this set when it was $2799 at CC with $200 Merchandise Card & $200 Gift Card. Returned it within a week because the picture quality was just horrible. I tweaked everything and only managed to get it to be slightly better than the factor settings.
PS. My main programmings come from DirecTV and OTA HD, however the latter is rarely used.
If you're going to use it as a computer monitor then definitely go with HDTV. Also, if you feel that 24/7 of PBS-HD programming is a must watch then go ahead and get the HDTV plasma. I have a Panny TH50PX20U 50" HDTV plasma in my living room and a Philips 42FD9935 42" EDTV in my bedroom. Does the HD set look better with HD content? Yes, albeit very slightly at < 4ft viewing distance. Is it worth several thousand dollars difference in price? Absolutely not.
Visit AVSForum and you'll sure to find at least one thread arguing about HDTV & EDTV everyday. All DVDs are at 480p so EDTV is perfect for that. Most standard definition contents are at 480i so EDTV is great for that too. With so little HD contents available that are worth watching, there's really no need to spend the extra to get one. That's what I think about the current HD programming. Do not worry about HD contents because the ED set will display HD contents beautifully. Let your eyes be the judge not the specs on the set.
I would stay away from this particular set though. I bought this set when it was $2799 at CC with $200 Merchandise Card & $200 Gift Card. Returned it within a week because the picture quality was just horrible. I tweaked everything and only managed to get it to be slightly better than the factor settings.
PS. My main programmings come from DirecTV and OTA HD, however the latter is rarely used.
You really dont' have an idea about what you are talking about? No reason? How about two.
First, if you watch more dvd than HDTV (not an outrageous proposition since there is not much HDTV material out there, save Voom maybe) well EDTV is perfect for that. Some say even preferable than the HDTV plasmas.
Also, if you sit 7-8' feet from the plasma, than any difference between the two are lost.
Also, "HDTV" plasmas aren't even close to being HDTV themselves. they are 1024 x 768 instead of 852 x 480. not much difference there bro. and if you really really want to nitpick, then no big display can claim true 1080i unless, of course the pixels are 1920 x 1080 (rare, out there, but rare), or a CRT display with 9" guns. Yes, any display with 7" guns cannot claim true 1080i.
jeez, i swear, every plasma thread, we got a couple of posters who received all their plasma training from the wonderful experts at best buy.
No, that's not what he's saying. This is what he is saying:
With 42" plasmas, there are only 3 resolutions:
1. 852x480 progressive - commonly called "ED". These are square pixel devices.
2. 1024x768 progressive - commonly called "HD". These are rectangular pixel devices.
3. 1024x1024 interlaced - commonly called "HD". Instead of interlaced, they call it "ALiS Technology". Though, bright, perhaps the worst quality picture of the 3 choices.
That's it. There are, at this point, absolutely ZERO higher resolution 42" plasmas out there right now.
To fully resolve 720p, you need 1280x720. To fully resolve 1080i, you need 1920x1080.
Those 42" plasmas that are claiming to be HD are fudging. They're completely ignoring the horizontal pixel number.
Furthermore, he is saying that 1080i is very VERY rare. Even a class leading 9" gun equipped CRT television set (ie. the latest Mitsubishi Diamond 65" and 73") can only do roughly 1600-1650 columns after a good ISF calibration. The Sony VPH-G90 9" front projector can resolve roughly 1800 or so columns, very close to the 1920 mark.
The truth is tube TV's have a LOT of trouble hitting the 720p mark. Between the poor quality guns, the very coarse shadow mask (or AG stripe pitch), and low bandwidth video amplifier, 1280x720 is practically impossible to hit with your consumer "HDTV" television set. Even the vast majority of 7" gun RPTV's have difficulty with this.
BTW, take a look at the bandwidth requirements for 720p:
http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/750/ln/en
Nominal bandwidth for .5dB flatness for 720p: 111Mhz
Nominal bandwidth for .1dB flatness for 720p: 255Mhz
Then, take a look at your typical CRT tube based "HDTV" specs for their amplifier bandwidth. Most are 20mhz to 40mhz.
That is my reasons #1 thru #5. What's the point in home THEATER if you all have to be sitting right in front of it?
You can beat it for space considerations...
Regardless, this TV makes my 5 year old 52 inch square screen TV look like crap.
Wonder what I could sell it in the classifieds for...
Wonder what I could sell it in the classifieds for...
Apex, you said it most succinctly.
Most good quality ED plasmas (Panasonic, Pioner, NEC, Fujitsu,etc.) will give you a hell of a good picture with an SD signal, but when you feed these puppies an HD signal, compare them side by side with an HD set, there just isn't any reason to spend the big $$$ on an HD set.
On the other hand, watching an SD signal on an HD set leaves much to be desired in PQ!!
Since there is scant HD content out there, and most HD ready sets are, as you pointed out, 1024x768, you'd be better off buying an ED set at this time.
As Apex said: ALis tecnology is the worst of the 3. They are bright, but show too much of the artifact in a poor quality signal for my tastes.
Viewing DVDs, for the most part, is pretty amazing. The PQ will be predicated on the quality of the transfer, and there are many transfers out there that are crap. I guess we can thank the MPAA for that!!! Same goes for the PQ when watching cable or Sat signals. The basic rule is, garbage in, garbage out. The Sat companies today, compress their signal so much on some channels, that it can make them unwatchable. YMMV, depending on the quality of the source.
Places like BB & CC, usually have their tv's set up poorly, or in torch mode. This does not give the consumer a fair idea of what their sets can do, if set up properly.
You also can't trust the knowledge of these people, with regard to any individual make and model.
I've heard these people tell some of the most outrageous stories, when talking to a perspective buyer, it's no wonder the average consumer is confused.
I loved the panny 6UY ED panel so much, I bought 2!!
They are truly one of the finest sets out there for the $$$ spent .
As someone said before, if you'd like to learn more about HD & ED sets, check out AVSFORUM.com.
These people are a fountain of knowledge, and will help those wishing to make a more informed decission about spending their hard earned $$$!
Cheers, VB
Most good quality ED plasmas (Panasonic, Pioner, NEC, Fujitsu,etc.) will give you a hell of a good picture with an SD signal, but when you feed these puppies an HD signal, compare them side by side with an HD set, there just isn't any reason to spend the big $$$ on an HD set.
On the other hand, watching an SD signal on an HD set leaves much to be desired in PQ!!
Since there is scant HD content out there, and most HD ready sets are, as you pointed out, 1024x768, you'd be better off buying an ED set at this time.
As Apex said: ALis tecnology is the worst of the 3. They are bright, but show too much of the artifact in a poor quality signal for my tastes.
Viewing DVDs, for the most part, is pretty amazing. The PQ will be predicated on the quality of the transfer, and there are many transfers out there that are crap. I guess we can thank the MPAA for that!!! Same goes for the PQ when watching cable or Sat signals. The basic rule is, garbage in, garbage out. The Sat companies today, compress their signal so much on some channels, that it can make them unwatchable. YMMV, depending on the quality of the source.
Places like BB & CC, usually have their tv's set up poorly, or in torch mode. This does not give the consumer a fair idea of what their sets can do, if set up properly.
You also can't trust the knowledge of these people, with regard to any individual make and model.
I've heard these people tell some of the most outrageous stories, when talking to a perspective buyer, it's no wonder the average consumer is confused.
I loved the panny 6UY ED panel so much, I bought 2!!
They are truly one of the finest sets out there for the $$$ spent .
As someone said before, if you'd like to learn more about HD & ED sets, check out AVSFORUM.com.
These people are a fountain of knowledge, and will help those wishing to make a more informed decission about spending their hard earned $$$!
Cheers, VB
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Wow, AVS forums... they have their own sort of HOT DEALS forums... it looks like I've got a lot of reading to do.
One comment, though. AVS stands for audio-visual science, right? And the Web site looks like that??! They don't exactly have an eye for color, do they?
One comment, though. AVS stands for audio-visual science, right? And the Web site looks like that??! They don't exactly have an eye for color, do they?
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