Samsung 245BW Monitor Does not show a picture :(

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phaxmohdem

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Just thought I'd throw this one out to the masses to see if I could get any pointers. I'm a total noob at LCD repair. I've acquired a Nice looking Samsung 245BW 24" LCD Monitor for next to nothing, however it does not display a picture.

When plugged in, the blue power light comes on, but the backlight does not kick on, and by shining a flashlight on the LCD panel at various angles while 3D mark was running, I could not see the pixels changing either.

I've already disassembled the thing, merely unplugging everything, and checking capacitors (nothing burst or obviously problematic that I could see) But no luck.

Any clues as to what the culprit could be here? Inverter? Processor board? Power Supply even?

If I could figure this out and get this sucker running, I'd love to have it on my desk for editing HD video.
 

Blain

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Originally posted by: phaxmohdem
I've acquired a Nice looking Samsung 245BW 24" LCD Monitor for next to nothing,
At least it looks nice sitting on your desk. :confused:

 

SKORPI0

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Originally posted by: phaxmohdem
I've acquired a Nice looking Samsung 245BW 24" LCD Monitor for next to nothing, however it does not display a picture.


Maybe because it's busted and worth next to nothing and wherever/whoever you got it from know's it.
 

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Wrong power supply? Happened to me once... Dell shipped a power supply for what must have been a 15" LCD when I bought my first 24" LCD from them. It was enough to turn the green power light on, but nothing else.
 

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It's a good thought. this monitor however has the power supply built in. There is no DC transformer, just a standard computer power cable that plugs into the back of the monitor... However you are correct in that if the power supply is unable to push enough current, the monitor wouldn't be able to fire up properly.

Is there a way to check if the power supply is running in spec or if it has a faulty component on it?
 

Blain

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Originally posted by: phaxmohdem
Is there a way to check if the power supply is running in spec or if it has a faulty component on it?
Sure...
* Take the monitor part, oops you've already done that.
* Track down the PS specifications as well as wire code for identification.
* Use a volt meter to measure the power on each line.
 

Jeff7

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Boot up the computer and get something with some contrast on the screen - maybe try the Windows key + E to bring up a nice Windows Explorer window.
Now dim the room lights and shine a flashlight on the screen at an angle, and look closely for anything that's displaying.
If it's just the backlight inverter, you should be able to barely make out some text or something on the screen.

I've got an LG monitor, I think it's a 22" widescreen, maybe 24", I don't remember. Its backlight inverter died after just over a year.

 

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I repaired two different/distinct 245BW - in both cases one of the three 68 ohm 5% two watt (2W) 5% resistors was an open circuit. These resistors are in series. On the first repair the equivalent series resistance ( ESR ) capacitor meter was reading high, and suspect on two capacitors. So I replaced them, they were two smaller caps on the power board in uF and size. One of the end/outer 68 ohm resistors was an open circuit, the location on my power boards/boards were on the circuit board edge. I measured the capacitance of the two suspect capacitors, that were removed; and they were within tolerance. (22 uf 50 V, 15.7 mm high, radial, dia 5 mm and 22 uF radial, 50 Volt , dia 5 mm, 16 mm high. Both were aluminum electrolytic ( I suspect I replaced them with 65+ or greater Volt rated caps – see/search for term derating electronics) ESR reading on both caps were just "Bad" - suspect other circuitry prevented an accurate reading with the ESR meter. I replaced all three of the 68 ohm resistors 2W (color code blue (6) grey (8), black (0), gold (5%).

Note I had no problem measuring the three qty 68 ohm resistors while they were still installed in the board (i.e., you do NOT have to remove these resistors to measure the ohm value (in this case to get a correct reading) - at least on the two boards I repaired - your power board might be different - doubtful; but possible) Harbor freight used to have coupons for free multi-meters BTW which measures ohms - you tube has a video on taking about the monitor.

On the second monitor that failed, I went straight to the group of three resistors (68 ohm) that are "glued together", one had become open circuited. Note, I opened the case up, when the screen/monitor/LCD started to act "funny" I did not wait for a totally black screen/LCD. I tested the caps for ESR all were within spec, one was had a higher ESR than I like so but was within specification per the ESR meter. I went ahead and replaced it (not worth opening the case again since I already had it in stock). Both 245BW monitors are back working. I did tear apart the resistors, I was curious if they were wire wound and if so, were/are they non-inductive wire wound - the one on my two monitors are metal film resistors, the one resistor I torn apart anyway. Basically I suspect the connector from the resistor leads on these 68 ohm resistors separates from the ceramic body/film coating due to thermal cycling. I replaced the just in case (1 uF, 50 V, radial - aluminum electrolytic 8 mm dia, 19 ,mm high, ESR 3.26 ohms (on the first repair above this cap measured 0.226 ohms for ESR) was tempted to use a film capacitor, and I might of, I can't remember distinctly. Again, I probable use a 63 Volt (or greater) rated capacitor as a replacement.

Anyway, of note, I replaced the 2W 68 ohm resistors, with 68 ohm 5%, 5 Watt resistors - note the leads of the resistors have to be extended, and wire that extends the lead has to fit into the circuit board hole. (one can cut off the leads of another 5 Watt resistor to do this (the wire needs to be stiff I'd STRONGLY advise against using stranded wire (mechanical stability)- these 5W resistors seem to be commonly available) and are obviously at least twice the size, in length and width (they do not lay on the board, but are mounted vertically) and and so they have to be bend over so as not to touch the metal frame (“top”), note these resistors are on the edge of the board(s) I repaired. Note, your version of the power board might be different, so this might not work for you, not probably; but again possible. I used heat shrink tubing on the resistor lead that exits resistor form the top, I did not the lead or case for that matter touching anything else, if I did it again, I would use heat shrink tubing that covered the top 25%or so of the resistor body, including the one "high side" resistor lead. Be absolutely positive if you use 5W resistors as replacements the bare resistor leads do not touch any other components/ or the metal enclosure .

Search for "De-rating electronic" components is a good way to prolong the life of electronic components. I find it useful on the electronic stuff I repair.

If another one 245BW starts to fail, and a capacitor(s) is or are not bulging or showing other visual signs of failure - I am going straight for the resistors. I doubt I will take the time even to measure the cap's ESR. Note, this is due to just two 245BW failing - not extensive experience by any metric.

Supposedly aluminum electrolytic capacitors should last 18 years I read somewhere. (after infant mortality -electronic) perhaps on that article about the early 2000's (2004) capacitor plague (Wiki). I don't think the 245BW was first manufactured until the middle of 2007. .
 

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Welcome to the forums Plankieee and than you for your detailed post. Since this thread is quite old (6 years), I'm going to lock it but leave it available for people searching via Google.

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