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Samsung 244t vs Sony SDM-P234 vs Dell 2405fpw

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raiden99

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I know the specs on all of these, I just wanted to hear everyone's opinion on which of these monitors is better and why:

Samsung 244t

Sony SDM-P234

Dell 2405fpw

Right now, I'm leaning towards the Samsung 244t because it has a lower response time and is 24"wide compared to the Sony's 23"wide. However, I can find the Sony & Dell on ebay where the Samsung is hit and miss. Of course, if you know of something even better than the Samsung, then go ahead and shout it out. 😉

Thanks for reading,
raiden99
 
I have both the Dell 2405FPW and Sony SDM-P234 at work. Both are great monitors (and I miss them when I go home to my CRT), especially when you are using two of them. The Dell tends to be less expensive and has a memory card reader. IMO that makes it the better deal.
 
But does the Dell offer good game performance at other resolutions other than the native? Notice any ghosting in any area (gaming, movies, etc)?
 
Originally posted by: raiden99
But does the Dell offer good game performance at other resolutions other than the native? Notice any ghosting in any area (gaming, movies, etc)?
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I have the 2405fpw and gaming is awesome at 1600 X 1200. No blurriness or ghosting at any resolution I set it at. (I have a 7800GTX)
 
Thank you for your replies, guys.

I just have one more question:

The Samsung 244t supports the new DRM-type thing (HDCP or something), the other two do not, is that really necessary for the future?
 
Yes and No

Currently HDCP support will only be needed for Blu-Ray or HD-DVD

It may be needed for HD- Digital Cable or other things in the future

if you don't plan on connecting a HD disc player to the monitor, you wouldn't need it

Personally, I'd try to get HDCP...
 
I just got my Dell 2405FPW today and it's awesome. I had been using a 19" Mitsubishi LCD over the last year which was a really sweet monitor but the 2405, with all this extra real estate, is simply amazing. Do yourself a favor and get the Dell. Everything looks so smooth at 1920x1200. Man o man this monitor rocks!

😎:thumbsup:
 
Well I doubt it will happen but I pray customers rise up against DRM as strongly as they did against Divx.

Not sure it will happen in this timid age where people seem to accept anything, but I can always hope. If it does happen that would be the main reason to be weary of DRM. But if the powers that be have their way it will be a requirement down to everything including your toothbrush. 🙁

P.S. As far as DRM forcing requirements anytime soon I dont think its going to happen. They will piss the industry off way to bad if they say no no no, you cant play that monitor you just paid a grand for or that plasma you just paid three grand for. It dont have what we say it should so you get sucky image quality.

I think that is the one thing that could get consumers to really buck and do a good old fashioned teaparty with anything that has the name DRM on it. Last thing they want, so expect it to slide into place VERY VERY slowly.
 
It's all well & great for those recommending the Dell to ignore its lack of HDCP, but i do not think it's something to be ignored.

I can't seem to find anything saying the Samsung has HDCP, but if it does, i'd certainly consider it, even for a few hundred more.

The problem with the non-HDCP monitors is that they simply are not future-proof at all, & while i usually recommend buying for the now, not later, a 24" LCD is too big of an investment to have to try to throw away or sell when Vista arrives.

I too would like to believe a crack will come out in the future allowing me to play multimedia content in its full glory on my non-HDCP LCD, but i just don't think it's going to be all that easy, & i like to stick with legal methods if i can...
 
That's true. However, by the time it becomes necessary to get a HDCP monitor, I'll just either buy one (and keep the other 24" for viewing DVDs, etc) or sell the one I get in a year or so. I've been noticing on Ebay that you can get a Dell for around $680-750. The Sony is a little more vague, and seems to have a higher selling dynamic. The Samsung is too new, and I've only seen 1 sold on there in the last week or so.
 
Originally posted by: dfloyd

P.S. As far as DRM forcing requirements anytime soon I dont think its going to happen. They will piss the industry off way to bad if they say no no no, you cant play that monitor you just paid a grand for or that plasma you just paid three grand for. It dont have what we say it should so you get sucky image quality.
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Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will require several forms of DRM. The monitor thing can and will happen. I also hope DRM in monitor based HDCP fails miserably, but its pretty much 100% certain that this tech will make it to market.


I agree with n7. I can't afford to spend hundreds of dollars on a screen that -may- have significant restrictions in 2-3 years.

 
Originally posted by: Zenbeatnik
I just got my Dell 2405FPW today and it's awesome. I had been using a 19" Mitsubishi LCD over the last year which was a really sweet monitor but the 2405, with all this extra real estate, is simply amazing. Do yourself a favor and get the Dell. Everything looks so smooth at 1920x1200. Man o man this monitor rocks!

😎:thumbsup:
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Yes, simply stunning..
 
VERY interesting post
and also a VERY interesting monitor this samsung 244t

But i have a question about this HDCP stuff on it:

Out of the replies posted here i can conclude that for looking certain DRM protected stuff (blu-ray, hd-dvd, ...?) in the highest resolution, HDCP is necessary
so in that case HDCP seems like an advantage...

But i would like to know the disadvantages...

Are there certain things i would be able to see on a non-HDCP monitor, but not on a HDCP monitor?

Are there any other downsides to HDCP?
 
Originally posted by: Mastakilla81
VERY interesting post
and also a VERY interesting monitor this samsung 244t

But i have a question about this HDCP stuff on it:

Out of the replies posted here i can conclude that for looking certain DRM protected stuff (blu-ray, hd-dvd, ...?) in the highest resolution, HDCP is necessary
so in that case HDCP seems like an advantage...

But i would like to know the disadvantages...

Are there certain things i would be able to see on a non-HDCP monitor, but not on a HDCP monitor?

Are there any other downsides to HDCP?
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Besides being a shill?

The downside is that you are submitting to regulation of media that you purchased. You are also potentially allowing more DRM to work.

However, HDCP can cause incompatability problems on a vary occansional basic. This would mainly be with fairly cheap older electronics.... IE, not something to worry about too much
 
thx for the answer,
but what is a shill?

i tried bablefish on it, but it doesnt find a translation

that it is a downside that i dont boycot all those drm crap, i know 🙁

but im starting to loose hope in us ever succeeding in a succesfull boycot...

it will come... and when it does, i wanne have spend that shitload of cash on the right monitor 😉

dont get me wrong, i hate drm very much too... but i wont play don chicotte (or how ever i have to write that)

so what im asking is not the ethical downsides of HDCP, but the real world downsides...
can anyone tell them to me plz?

and u give examples of the incompatability problems? cause i dont really have an idea what u mean with that...

thx
 
The Samsung 244t has the same panel as Dell, only Overdriven. The Sony (LG S-IPS) is a tad slow and lacks the stellar contrast of the 244t. Samsung 244t hands down in this case, plus it supports HDCP (according to the HDCP thread in general hardware anyway). Upon further investigation, it looks like it doesn't, but get it anyway, because it's faster than the Dell. Sony's back with their usual bad performance/price ratio on just about everything so you can skip the Sony.

Samsung panel vs LG panel in this review.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=3835&page=5

However:
It doesn't pay to fall too much in love with computer hardware, since there's always something around the corner to trip you up. And with the 2405FPW that might be support for HDCP over the analogue video inputs, but it's a fairly honest piece of hardware and should see you right in all other ways. Displays are an investment and the 2405FPW is a fine one to make, in this reviewer's eyes. Great for gamers, programmers, photo manipulators, CAD folks, video editors and everyone in between.
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HDCP over analog? lol I don't think so Hexus. 🙂
 
This whole HDCP debate is almost silly. WHY would you WASTE your time viewing a super high definition movie on a TINY 24" monitor? Sure. It has TONS of resolution. But you can't really use it! The monitor is so small that you are not going to notice much of a difference between a good DVD and a HDCP video.

Look at the new 1080p TVs that have recently come out. There are tons of videophiles that are complaining that they can not tell a difference between 720p and 1080p on their 50-56" TVs. They are pissed that they spent that much money to get a 1080p TV and it just doesn't look any better. A whole lot of other folks were pointing out threads in the past were they said don't bother with 1080p on anything less than 60". You can't see the difference but you sure can feel the difference in your wallet!

It's going to be the same thing with HD DVD on these tiny monitors. Which means I couldn't care less if my monitor supports HDCP or not.

In February, I'm going to upgrade my computer to get some type of G70 or G72 based video card (currently planning on a 7800GTX-512, but I am hoping the die shrink G72 comes out and someone puts two on a single card.). That opens the way to picking up something like the 2405 later next summer. All in all, I am going to have close to $2000 invested in this upgrade and it won't be able to play HDCP. Most of the bits will also be in my computer at least 3 years and maybe more. Probably a lot more for the monitor (In the 10 years I have had PCs, I have gone through tons of video cards, MB, CPUs, memory, sound cards, etc. But only two monitors: A 17" Sony CRT and then a 19" Sony CRT). But I am not going to loose any sleep over it.
 
This whole HDCP debate is almost silly. WHY would you WASTE your time viewing a super high definition movie on a TINY 24" monitor? Sure. It has TONS of resolution. But you can't really use it! The monitor is so small that you are not going to notice much of a difference between a good DVD and a HDCP video.
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Ever hear of viewing distance? Thats what determines how "small" a display appears. Of course you can "use" the resolution, it "has it" to use.

I can certainly tell the difference between 480i/p and HD resolutions on my 22" CRT. HDCP copy protection likely will be an issue going forward, it makes sense to at least consider it when making a display choice.
 
Hear of it? Oh yeah. Worried about it? Not on my PC. I guess that is the BIG difference between you and me: I use my computer to do work and play games. I watch movies on my home theater system (Ok. It's not QUITE up to "theater" yet. But I am working on it!). It just doesn't matter to me if my PC can play HD DVDs in all their glory. It would be nice if it could, but it is not any kind of deal breaker for me.

Now, when I finally break down and buy that 65 to 70" HD tv, yeah. Then this is a major issue. Of course, if I quite spending so much money on my PC, I might be able to afford that monster tv a lot sooner!
 
Originally posted by: Snooper
This whole HDCP debate is almost silly. WHY would you WASTE your time viewing a super high definition movie on a TINY 24" monitor? Sure. It has TONS of resolution. But you can't really use it! The monitor is so small that you are not going to notice much of a difference between a good DVD and a HDCP video.
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I don't know if you?re a fool or not, but the difference between a high end big screen HDTV and a small screen high end computer monitor is the difference between a couch and a desk chair.

As was said before, viewing distance is critical. Sitting 100 feet away from Batman Begins in the IMAX will have just about the same effect as sitting 8 feet away infront of a 60" DLP, which would be about the same as sitting 2 feet away from a 24" LCD monitor (in terms of resolution - contrast and brightness could very well be a different story)
 
I'm biased but prior to the Dell 2405fpw, I compared the Sony, Samsung and HP L2335. The HP won due to features, price and picture quality.
 
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