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Samsung 16ms Panels

Originally posted by: Jumpem
Isn't it being said that the 16ms lcd's only display 260K colors vs. 16.7M colors?
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I've heard that, but color reporductino is generally rated very high on 16ms panels, so i gotta wonder if they just use some alternitive method of displaying colors.
 
Originally posted by: wetcat007
Originally posted by: Jumpem
Isn't it being said that the 16ms lcd's only display 260K colors vs. 16.7M colors?
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I've heard that, but color reporductino is generally rated very high on 16ms panels, so i gotta wonder if they just use some alternitive method of displaying colors.
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I dont think it makes a difference, I use the Adobe Color/Gamma Corrector with Photoshop 7.0 and my monitor looks as good as the CRTs for everything I do on it. My monitor is a 16ms Viewsonic VP171B by the way and I would recommend it to anyone who asks. 🙂

-Por
 
Originally posted by: Tetsuo
Nice LCD, never seen it anywhere though :-/
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Its been on many of the other Samsung country websites. On HardOCP there is a 10page thread in the display section devoted to it.
 
There has been talk of the 172X not being made available in North America but instead the 173P will be. They use diff'rent panel technology (TN and PVA respectively) and the latter sports a portrait pivot stand. The PVA specs show a greater viewing angle and contrast. Why manufacture two 17" 16ms panels simultaneously unless maybe the TN panel is not made by Samsung or was a stop-gap design?

PorBleemo, or anyone with a VP171b, can it display non-native lower resolutions centered with black bars instead of stretching to fill?

KristopherKubicki, can you find out if those Samsung models can?
 
I'd get one, if I were a gamer. 🙂

Since my main application is Photoshop, I'm going to stay away from any 18 bit panels (I don't care if you think it looks "just as good" as your CRT; it's still not showing you enough color data to be useful, though you probably don't notice / care) and rather lean toward a 24 or 30 bit model.
 
Top 19" panels or top 19" LCDs.

My personal picks, even though they are the same panels are as follow:

Dell 1901FP; good blend of performance and price with the best UI of all the samsung panels
Samsung 191T and Dell 1900FP; Samsung has a few updated versions floating around. Red color production isnt the best, but it isnt on the 192T either
Samsung 192T; great monitor but it doesnt quite justify the cost difference over the 191T.
AG Neovo S-19; ultimate high end 19" LCD. Fujitsu panel with a glass bezel. Unfortunately, you need to take out a loan to get it.

Honorable mention would be the NEC 1980SX, although it costs more than the Neovo S-19. Here are some I would stay away from.

Viewsonic VX900; poor signal processing with a bad UI. It doesnt even get the auto sync right half the time
Planar PM191; while the PX191 is the Samsung 19" LCD, the PM is some kind of different animal that is not very good


I wish there were more 19" players, but there really isnt. Fujitsu has some neat new MVA panels coming out, but they are not revolutionary.

Kristopher
 
Originally posted by: jliechty
I'd get one, if I were a gamer. 🙂

Since my main application is Photoshop, I'm going to stay away from any 18 bit panels (I don't care if you think it looks "just as good" as your CRT; it's still not showing you enough color data to be useful, though you probably don't notice / care) and rather lean toward a 24 or 30 bit model.
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30 bit?
 
Kristopher,

Does Samsung have any plans to make a 192t-black model? Is there anyway you'd be able to find out?
 
Samsung just changed all of their contrast ratios, like on the 192T it is now 750:1 instead of 500:1 like the 191T. I have discussed this with them several times and I believe it is a "marketing spec". Its kind of silly. I dont think they are going to have a black version of the monitor.

Jliechty is correct, but I have no idea if these two X series LCDs are 18 bit panels. AUO and Philips are the only companies that really make 16 ms panels right now, but Samsung might have created their own for this monitor. Only the AUO one is 18 bit, I believe the LG.Philips displays the correct 16.7M colors. The easy way to tell is to find out if it is PVA or not, as Samsung only produces PVA mode LCDs (If it is IPS then Philips makes it, TN means AUO makes it). It wont really matter to us as we will certainly pull the whole thing apart anyway 😉

Well in the meantime, I guess we just have to wait 🙁.

Kristopher
 
I see in the arstechnica thread that the VP171b can be used in non-stretched/fill mode for correct gaming aspect ratio and picture quality when the option is enabled in the ATI Control Panel. In the case of 1280x960 the unused area is only at the bottom rather than above and below a centered image.

For the Samsung 173P and 172X, the English manuals and drivers are available even though they are not listed in the product section. The 173P stand is made of aluminium. A DVI cable is not included with either . I really like how each sport hidden cable connectors on the base which is especially practical for pivoting the 173P as the cable cannot interfere.

At Samsung Deutschland there are high-res pics and the response time of the 173P is listed as 25ms which is contrary to the press release of 16ms. But then the 172X is shown as only having an analog connection which is not true (only the 152x lacks DVI).

I am kinda keen on getting a 173P as the specs and ergonomic design seem fantastic but if it means waiting another month and paying as much as $550 versus a Viewsonic or NEC-Mitsubishi for $400 from Dell it will be difficult to justify. In the meantime, the waiting really is suck.
 
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Oh, just to let you know, I'm currently using a Proview LT776S (equivalent to the MAG Innovision LT776s) , the latest rendition of the 776 series. It features a newly introduced AUO panel rated at 30 ms, but now claims 16.7 million colors- perhaps a competetive alternative to samsung panels now? I'm guessing they changed the pixel register to 256 bit in sacrifice of the response time, but not quite sure if it's true or not.

http://www.proview.com/product/LCD/pl776s.htm (made in July 2003)

http://www.auo.com/e_products_monitor_m170en07.shtml (released April 2003, MVA display mode)

http://www.auo.com/e_products_monitor_m170en06.shtml <~ AUO's famous 16 ms response monitor
 
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