Salvia Divinorum Extract

[scott916]

Has anyone here tried Salvia extracts? I've only had the 10x standardized, I don't know if I'd have the huevos to go higher than that. Anyone had interesting experiences?

 

[MiniDoom]

yeah, tried 20x. its not much fun. there are other things that are better.

 

[MikeMike]

this has been discussed at length, and there was ribbon13 who seemingly knew so much, but he was banned

 

[SLCentral]

I've been thinking about trying it, and since its completely legal, it's really easy to get. Would 10x be the best starting concentration?

 

[Tom]

brain is a complicated and kind of vital organ.

Before you screw yours up, take a trip to your local nursing home and see how attractive it is when it's screwed up.

 

[MisterJackson]

What's it do? I read this as "Saliva" extract at first and was confused

 

[BigJ]

I've done 20x before. A really quick high, but not too bad.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Tom
brain is a complicated and kind of vital organ.

Before you screw yours up, take a trip to your local nursing home and see how attractive it is when it's screwed up.

Deep, and true.

 

[tweakmm]

Drugs are bad. :thumbsdown:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml


Read all you can if you insist upon putting more chemicals in your brain.
It is an extremely potent hallucinogen that is generally regarded as unpleasant and for stupid highschool kids.

 

[MangoTBG]

I tried this once. And I didn't have a good experiance. I was stupid and did it by myself. A couple of things. One, you need to use one of those tourch lighters, not just a regular bic. Two, you NEED...I stress NEED to be with someone else. Preferably someone who has done it before. It only lasts for about 10 minutes or so. I highly recommend you reading up on it before you try it. I ended up losing touch with reality for a couple of minutes. I really can't explain the feeling but it was the worst feeling I've ever felt. Even after that, though you feel giddy. Once I started to come back to reality I luckily had a friend come over at that very moment and he calmed me down and everything was fine.

Cliffs:

I've done it. I won't say "don't do it", but make sure you "do it right" and read up on it, have someone with you. Oh, and don't have upbeat music...it really needs to be tranquil (sp?).

Edit: I should have payed more attention, I guess you've already tried it. Anyways this is to anyone who reads this for the first time and gets the idea to try salvia.

 

[BudAshes2]

Basically you trip harder than you can imagine, but unlike some other hallucinogens its not fun. So you trip, and you get a wacky experience but you arent going to enjoy yourself.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: tweakmm
Drugs are bad. :thumbsdown:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml


Read all you can if you insist upon putting more chemicals in your brain.
It is an extremely potent hallucinogen that is generally regarded as unpleasant and for stupid highschool kids.

Did you even read the articles listed? Here's an abstract about salvia alleviating depression symptoms. Here's a survey showing it to be a good experience.

As for me, I smoked the non-fortified leaf in college twice. First time I had a fun trip that was almost all visual with no real deeper experiences. The second time i didn't trip. I could see it being too intense if you take too much.

 

[Topplayer]

yeah, tried 20x its ok..........shrooms are better

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: tweakmm
Drugs are bad. :thumbsdown:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml


Read all you can if you insist upon putting more chemicals in your brain.
It is an extremely potent hallucinogen that is generally regarded as unpleasant and for stupid highschool kids.

Did you even read the articles listed?

Did you even read the third sentance on that page?
"It has a history of use as a divinatory psychedelic for oral use and has been widely available since the mid 1990s primarily as a smoked herb. Its effects are considered unpleasant by many people."

Here's an abstract about salvia alleviating depression symptoms.

Drugs help with depression?! Crazy. Plus, it is about one person.

Here's a survey showing it to be a good experience.

I see about a 50/50 split there, and just because someone would do it again does not mean it's not unpleasant.
That site is full of people who like to get proper fvcked and the cheapness, legality, strength and availibility would lead stupid highschool kids to want to do it again, even if unpleasant.

I don't really care what you do with your body, that's your business I just urge everyone to understand what they are ingesting and don't go driving around high off their tits.

 

[Chunkee]

comb the local high schools and pick up some fresh tabs someone has made and be done with it

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: tweakmm
Drugs are bad. :thumbsdown:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml


Read all you can if you insist upon putting more chemicals in your brain.
It is an extremely potent hallucinogen that is generally regarded as unpleasant and for stupid highschool kids.

Did you even read the articles listed?

Did you even read the third sentance on that page?
"It has a history of use as a divinatory psychedelic for oral use and has been widely available since the mid 1990s primarily as a smoked herb. Its effects are considered unpleasant by many people."

Here's an abstract about salvia alleviating depression symptoms.

Drugs help with depression?! Crazy. Plus, it is about one person.

Here's a survey showing it to be a good experience.

I see about a 50/50 split there, and just because someone would do it again does not mean it's not unpleasant.That site is full of people who like to get proper fvcked and the cheapness, legality, strength and availibility would lead stupid highschool kids to want to do it again, even if unpleasant.

I don't really care what you do with your body, that's your business I just urge everyone to understand what they are ingesting and don't go driving around high off their tits.

Where did you get 50/50? The third sentance says "many people" find it unpleasant, not "generally." If you say something is unpleasant, then you will not do that thing again if you don't have/need to. 80% of respondants will probably do it again. Less than 7% won't do it again.

Scroll down the page & you'll come to this:

Persisting Effects:
Many respondents (25.8%) reported improved mood and "antidepressant-like effects" lasting 24 hours or more after use. This is consistent with (or possibly influenced by) a case report published by Karl Hanes.6

In contrast, serious adverse events were rare in this young population. Only 4.4% reported persisting (24 hours or more) negative effects (most often anxiety) on at least one occasion. Three respondents (0.6%) had sought professional help for an SD-related problem on at least one occasion. One went to a priest to discuss Catholicism, while a second visited a therapist. The single respondent who reported seeking emergency treatment had used multiple substances (dimethyltryptamine, dextromethorphan, SD, methamphetamine, diphenhydramine, "etc.") and described what might have been stimulant psychosis. While few serious adverse events were reported by our participants, it is important to realize that the toxicity of new drugs is often only detected as use spreads to greater numbers of people.


Dependence-Related Phenomena:
SD dependence has not been previously reported, although animal studies suggest kappa agonists can induce a withdrawal syndrome comparable to mu agonists.7 We found little evidence of dependence in our survey population. While some reported possible dependence, there were too few of these individuals to interpret their reports with any confidence. 0.6% of respondents reported feeling addicted to or dependent upon SD at some point, while 1.2% reported strong cravings. The standard psychiatric diagnostic system in the United States classifies people as drug dependent based on seven signs and symptoms. When we asked about these signs and symptoms individually, 0.4% reported experiencing three, which could qualify them as dependent (of course a clinical interview would be necessary to confirm this). Interestingly, none of these individuals reported more than 2 of 13 after-effects characteristic of mu-opioid withdrawal (such as increased sweating, gooseflesh, worsened mood, diarrhea, etc.).


Future of Control
Salvia divinorum has been marketed over the web and in smoke shops as a legal intoxicant. Newspaper and television reports have noted that the DEA is tracking the spread of SD use. This raises the question of if, when, and how SD will be made a controlled substance. Overall, salvinorin A seems to be unlike other drugs of abuse and, at least in the individuals responding to our survey, appears to have a low potential for abuse and dependence. Few, if any, seem to consider it a party or club drug. However, it does have potent effects and there is a risk that inebriated users may injure themselves or others.

 

[rstrohkirch]

The lower the strength the more "fun" it is

Most people I get to try the basic leaf enjoy it as they tend to just laugh for a minute or so with very minor oddities to vision and hearing then it's over. I get them to try 10x and they actually start to trip and it's not nearly as fun for them. I personally don't like the "feeling" of the 10x, everytime I take it I get bad cold sweats and feel like I just woke up from heavy sleep after it's over. I also find it odd that with the leaf the experience is a little different each time, but with the extract it's always been the same...cold sweats - giddy - feeling weighted down - feel like my chair is floating around in the ocean and if I close my eyes I can almost see it - extremely groggy when it ends.

 

[Topplayer]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
comb the local high schools and pick up some fresh tabs someone has made and be done with it

FTW

 

[SampSon]

Worthless garbage for people looking to get a legal high.
Wanna get high? Get some real drugs.

 

[Topplayer]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Worthless garbage for people looking to get a legal high.
Wanna get high? Get some real drugs.

real drugs work better

 

[imported_LoKe]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
this has been discussed at length, and there was ribbon13 who seemingly knew so much, but he was banned

Ribbon13 isn't banned, heh. He still shows up occasionally.

 

[Eli]

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Worthless garbage for people looking to get a legal high.
Wanna get high? Get some real drugs.

Hmm... you've never had it, have you?

It's as real as any other drug, just.. strange, because it's so potent.