Salon.com writer all but endorses Trump

SP33Demon

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When a liberal writer (and Sanders supporter) all but endorses Trump, I think it's time to take him seriously folks. A lot of Sanders supporters will be climbing aboard once they lose.

Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 06:01 AM EST

I was wrong about Donald Trump: Camille Paglia on the GOP front-runner’s refreshing candor (and his impetuousness, too)
Yes, he remains thin-skinned and easily riled. But his fearlessness and brash energy also seem necessary and rare
Camille Paglia



Mailbag: I’m dying for an update from you on Donald Trump. Last summer you called him “not a president” and a “carnival barker.” Do you still feel the same? If you loved Trump, would Salon even let you proclaim it? I mean, they’re kind of as liberal as they come, no?

Why can’t there be a party that is basically Republican, but minus the religion, minus the legislating of morality, and that cares about climate change/overpopulation? Could Trump be that guy?

Christie Cooley Randolph
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Well, Trump may still be a carnival barker, but he’s looking more and more like a president! Along with most media pundits in the Northeast, I found it improbable if not impossible that Trump could survive his klutz-o-rama cascade of foot-in-mouth flubs, from carelessly categorizing Mexican immigrants as rapists to hallucinating about “thousands’ of Muslims cheering the fall of the twin towers from the mean streets of New Jersey. Surely he would soon implode and pouf into fairy dust!

But only a few weeks after that interview of mine in Salon, I suddenly realized that Trump’s candidacy had a broad support that few had expected or discerned. The agent of my revelation was a hilariously scathing, viral Web blog video posted by Diamond and Silk–Lynette Hardaway and Rochelle Richardson, two African-American sisters and former Democrats in Fayetteville, North Carolina. They were reacting with indignant outrage to the first GOP debate, broadcast by Fox News from Cleveland on August 6 and hosted by Megyn Kelly, whose loaded questions had impugned Trump as a sexist.

If Trump wins the White House, that no-holds-barred video will go down in history as “the shot heard round the world,” Ralph Waldo Emerson’s phrase for the first salvo of the American Revolution by rural insurgents at Concord. The video signaled a popular uprising and furious pushback against the major media and political elites, who had controlled the national agenda and messaging for far too long. Diamond and Silk threw zinger after zinger in defending Trump: “Here’s the damn deal, Megyn Kelly—or Kelly Megyn, whatever your name is!…. Go back and report news on Sesame Street!…You hit below the belt, Kelly!…He was the only one up there on that stage with any common sense!… He’s going to be the next president, whether you like it or not. Get used to it, girl! Get used to it!”

This fiery endorsement blew me away because it demonstrated how Trump was directly engaging with a diverse coalition in ways that the mainstream media had completely missed. I felt, and still do, that Trump is far too impetuous and thin-skinned in his amusingly rambling, improvisational style. The American president, who can spook markets or spark a war with a rash phrase, must be more coolly circumspect. And aspirants to the presidency shouldn’t care what small fry like bobble-head TV hosts say or do. A leader must have the long view and show an instinctive capacity to focus and prioritize.

Nevertheless, Trump’s fearless candor and brash energy feel like a great gust of fresh air, sweeping the tedious clichés and constant guilt-tripping of political correctness out to sea. Unlike Hillary Clinton, whose every word and policy statement on the campaign trail are spoon-fed to her by a giant paid staff and army of shadowy advisors, Trump is his own man, with a steely “damn the torpedoes” attitude. He has a swaggering retro machismo that will give hives to the Steinem cabal. He lives large, with the urban flash and bling of a Frank Sinatra. But Trump is a workaholic who doesn’t drink and who has an interesting penchant for sophisticated, strong-willed European women. As for a debasement of the presidency by Trump’s slanging matches about penis size, that sorry process was initiated by a Democrat, Bill Clinton, who chatted about his underwear on TV, let Hollywood pals jump up and down on the bed in the Lincoln Bedroom, and played lewd cigar games with an intern in the White House offices.

Primary voters nationwide are clearly responding to Trump’s brand of classic can-do American moxie. There has been a sense of weary paralysis in our increasingly Byzantine and monstrously wasteful government bureaucracies. Putting a bottom-line businessman with executive experience into the White House has probably been long overdue. If Mitt Romney had boldly talked business more (and chosen a woman VP), he would have won the last election. Although the rampant Hitler and Mussolini analogies to Trump are wildly exaggerated–he has no organized fascist brigades at his beck and call—there is reason for worry about his impatient authoritarian tendencies. We have had more than enough of Obama’s constitutionally questionable executive orders. It remains to be seen whether Trump’s mastery of a hyper-personalized art of the deal will work in the sluggish, murky, incestuously intertwined power realms of Washington.

From my perspective as a fervent supporter of the ruggedly honest and principled Bernie Sanders, Trump with his pragmatic real-life record is a far more palatable national figure than Ted Cruz, whose unctuous, vainglorious professions of Christian piety don’t pass the smell test. Trump is a blunt, no-crap mensch, while Cruz is a ham actor, doling out fake compassion like chopped liver.
Cruz’s lugubrious, weirdly womanish face, with its prim, tight smile and mawkishly appealing puppy-dog eyebrows, is like a waxen mask, always on the verge of melting. This guy doesn’t know who the hell he is—and the White House is no place for him and us to find out.
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/10/i_w..._refreshing_candor_and_his_impetuousness_too/

Even the Dems are coming around to liking Trump. How can you not like the guy? We are finding that his bark is much louder than his bite and he is energizing both sides of the aisle in ways that haven't been seen since the Reagan era. And the establishment is powerless (outside of spending 38 million in attack ads) so far to stop it. The racist crap, nobody is buying it - he is for immigrants who come her legally and employs thousands of them. He carried the latino vote in Nevada so even they aren't buying it. MSM and the establishment will do anything they can to stop a guy who doesn't give a dam about what they want, let alone be bought.

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And when he's president, he'll do absolutely NOTHING!

The President only has the power to veto. Do you for one moment believe the powers that be who bought 538 members of congress are going to let him do anything along that lines that elected him?

I realized that after voting for Obama.. we got a few things we voted for and then they roped him in.

Besides I still think he'll lose in the general. A few democrats crossing over and a few republicans who cross over because they can't stand him is a wash.

BTW didn't you say Salon was a joke website? Just pulling your strings.
 

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And when he's president, he'll do absolutely NOTHING!

The President only has the power to veto. Do you for one moment believe the powers that be who bought 538 members of congress are going to let him do anything along that lines that elected him?

I realized that after voting for Obama.. we got a few things we voted for and then they roped him in.

Besides I still think he'll lose in the general. A few democrats crossing over and a few republicans who cross over because they can't stand him is a wash.

BTW didn't you say Salon was a joke website? Just pulling your strings.

I think if (big IF) he's elected he may get some things done. One reason I think out of all the potential candidates he is the best at cajoling.
 
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And when he's president, he'll do absolutely NOTHING!

The President only has the power to veto. Do you for one moment believe the powers that be who bought 538 members of congress are going to let him do anything along that lines that elected him?

I realized that after voting for Obama.. we got a few things we voted for and then they roped him in.

Besides I still think he'll lose in the general. A few democrats crossing over and a few republicans who cross over because they can't stand him is a wash.

BTW didn't you say Salon was a joke website? Just pulling your strings.

Honestly I can't see myself voting for Trump however I'd be alright with a President Trump. His wacky ideas are simply to attract voters. He is goal focused so he would do his best to make income better, he wouldn't want to be a loser President. We do have the above thought that would likely frustrate him and keep him from getting much done but the same can be said about Sanders or Clinton.
 

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I think if (big IF) he's elected he may get some things done. One reason I think out of all the potential candidates he is the best at cajoling.

You mean like we've dropped 15,000 bombs on ISIS, so he'll drop 15,500? :D
 

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And when he's president, he'll do absolutely NOTHING!

The President only has the power to veto. Do you for one moment believe the powers that be who bought 538 members of congress are going to let him do anything along that lines that elected him?

I realized that after voting for Obama.. we got a few things we voted for and then they roped him in.

Besides I still think he'll lose in the general. A few democrats crossing over and a few republicans who cross over because they can't stand him is a wash.

BTW didn't you say Salon was a joke website? Just pulling your strings.
Well yes of course he only has limited veto power. But he's also energizing repubs faster than anyone since Reagan and now many Dems who are sick of Hillary are warming up (especially women like the writer) to him. If he can get enough women to vote he should win.

Salon is a bit of a joke, mainly because of how leftist it is. That's why this was surprising to read.
 

lopri

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It is a stretch to call Camille Pagila a liberal or anything really. Her endorsement would not change a single heart. Haha.
 

Indus

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Well yes of course he only has limited veto power. But he's also energizing repubs faster than anyone since Reagan and now many Dems who are sick of Hillary are warming up (especially women like the writer) to him. If he can get enough women to vote he should win.

Salon is a bit of a joke, mainly because of how leftist it is. That's why this was surprising to read.

There's where I differ with you.

He's not energizing anyone except his opposition. Even in the best GOP polls he only has 40% if that. He's brought the racist xenophobes bigots out like John Rocker and given them a reason to be cheerful.

For the record this is what John Rocker said..

Imagine having to take the 7 Train to the ballpark looking like you're riding through Beirut next to some kid with purple hair, next to some queer with AIDS, right next to some dude who just got out of jail for the fourth time, right next to some 20-year-old mom with four kids. It's depressing... The biggest thing I don't like about New York are the foreigners. You can walk an entire block in Times Square and not hear anybody speaking English. Asians and Koreans and Vietnamese and Indians and Russians and Spanish people and everything up there. How the hell did they get in this country?

I'm glad you feel right at home with guys like those.
 

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Well yes of course he only has limited veto power. But he's also energizing repubs faster than anyone since Reagan and now many Dems who are sick of Hillary are warming up (especially women like the writer) to him. If he can get enough women to vote he should win.

Salon is a bit of a joke, mainly because of how leftist it is. That's why this was surprising to read.

Actually in exit polls Drumpf is not getting that many "new" voters, the people that are voting for him made their minds up to support him early. That will cause him trouble in n the general if he gets that far.
 

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Actually in exit polls Drumpf is not getting that many "new" voters, the people that are voting for him made their minds up to support him early. That will cause him trouble in n the general if he gets that far.

Actually that's a fair point. We've heard it all along.. the people who decided late broke for Rubio or Kasich and now Cruz.

So he's not gaining, if anything this is divide and rule.. just like the british did.. divide the colonies against each other and rule each one.
 

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It is a stretch to call Camille Pagila a liberal or anything really. Her endorsement would not change a single heart. Haha.

Indeed, I would hesitate to call Paglia any sort of liberal. She is a culture critic who historically is about equally likely to criticize the left as the right. She is particularly critical of feminism and various specific feminists. I think the OP is confused because Salon is generally a left leaning publication but not every op-ed there comes from someone on the left.
 
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It is a stretch to call Camille Pagila a liberal or anything really. Her endorsement would not change a single heart. Haha.

Certainly true for me. I came to her conclusions the moment I saw him announce his candidacy.

The establishment is owned by money in both parties and must be destroyed.. This is why if Hillary and Trump are the candidates Hillary must lose. The enemy is stasis, not Trump's lack of sophistication.
 

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Her thesis has been that Hillary's ultimate sin is her failure to liberate Bill's libido. I think her 'personae' belongs to where Phyllis Schlafly's occupies. She is an example of the excess produced by Humanities Department in colleges.
 

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The establishment is owned by money in both parties and must be destroyed.. This is why if Hillary and Trump are the candidates Hillary must lose. The enemy is stasis, not Trump's lack of sophistication.

:thumbsup:
 

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Indeed, I would hesitate to call Paglia any sort of liberal. She is a culture critic who historically is about equally likely to criticize the left as the right. She is particularly critical of feminism and various specific feminists. I think the OP is confused because Salon is generally a left leaning publication but not every op-ed there comes from someone on the left.

The OP is confused for multiple reasons. Not the least of which is that he has the intelligence of a lemur.
 

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Well yes of course he only has limited veto power. But he's also energizing repubs faster than anyone since Reagan and now many Dems who are sick of Hillary are warming up (especially women like the writer) to him. If he can get enough women to vote he should win.
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Salon is a bit of a joke, mainly because of how leftist it is. That's why this was surprising to read.

If Trump wins the general election every establishment republican in Congress up for re-election in 2018 will have to take seriously any threat by Trump that he will call then out and get them booted from office.

I think he would be a powerful president with a People's mandate, but whether that would be a good thing is a far different question.
 

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Certainly true for me. I came to her conclusions the moment I saw him announce his candidacy.

The establishment is owned by money in both parties and must be destroyed.. This is why if Hillary and Trump are the candidates Hillary must lose. The enemy is stasis, not Trump's lack of sophistication.
Dead on. Trump has to win over Hillary in order for the ruling elites to take us seriously. /salute to Ms. Paglia who even though she supports Bernie, she knows it's inevitable that Hillary already rigged the primary. Hence why she is going with the next best thing.
 

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Even if you hate Trump he is a pure proof that Americans are sick of their leadership--republican ones at least. Sanders is proof democratic ones are, too. Both candidate represent an awakening. Too many clinton supporters, still, who don't realize she doesn't care about them and is only in it for her paymasters.
 

lopri

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So vote for Sanders instead of The Duck. What is the reason not to? Is it not obvious who is more principled and more informed, and more honest?
 

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So vote for Sanders instead of The Duck. What is the reason not to? Is it not obvious who is more principled and more informed, and more honest?
They are politically separate, but sanders would be preferable to hillary. But, unless he wins the nomination, he can't win overall. I Believe he would fare well against a republican candidate because people ffffffffffffffffffffff**king hate hillary. With sanders you can hate that he's a socialist, but at least he's a real socialist. Hillary is just a corporate slave and that's much worse.