Safety in schools...

[Pastore]

I would like to have a discussion about public schools... This is sparked by all of the recent shootings and threats that have run rampent the past couple years... Neo Assasins school has done the following...

AND I QUOTE

"A few years back, the only dress code was.
No ear rings
No short skirts.
No hats.
No facial hair.
Maybe a few more, but now there are twice as many rules as there was 4 years ago.
A few years back, the school board decided to execute a secret mission, to see what schools they think are safe.
A group of people just walked around in our school.
They were all adults, and carrying boxes casually.
I mean they just walked around, did nothing but look into class rooms.
No one asked them any questions, not even the teachers.

They sat the big boxes down in certain areas, and they just left.
Then the school board contacted our principal and told they what had happened.
Now we are forced to have ID's.....around our NECK.
I know aot of people that have ID's but dont even have to show them.
We do, and we have to tuck in our shirts.
OUr school sends home students with baggy shirts and/or pants. It is really strict now becuase of that incident, and all the other high school shootings.
Oh yea, theres also a start of the art camera system..which records live feed, and its not like that choppy stuff you see on TV of quicki marts getting robbed. This is live color feed."

neo, i dont think that stuff is a bad idea... the reason i say that is because we are at school for one reason, to learn... not to be able to "express" ourselves... if all that stuff that your school is doing makes it safer, why is it a bad thing? because that one kid cant have purple hair? big f'ing deal... that one kid cant wear his chains? big f'ing deal... all of the people that like to wear that stuff will have another thing coming when they go out and try to find a job and expect to dress that way... Now, before I get flamed, I am not saying that you shouldnt be able to wear this stuff on your own free time, because that is your time...

So heres my question... Are more regulations going to make schools safer? or just piss people off that dont like authority?

 

[poop]

If someone wants to go in and kill everyone at a school, they will. Nothing short of armed guards in every hall will be able to stop them. Hell, even then they would just bomb the place.

If you put your mind to it, you can do anything. That is what they tell kids. Well guess what, some of those kids are now psychopaths.

 

[Pretender]

It's all to serve one purpose: to make white people happy (as george carlin puts it).

Less people die of school related violence than.....than people die from food poisoning per year. All the attention given to schools and their violence is simply because the media needs more ratings, and reporting about 100 unrelated food poisioning deaths does less for their ratings and market share than reporting about 100 people dying from school violence.

 

[Pastore]

but poop, even the psychopaths dont shoot everyone up for the hell of it, they have targets... how are those targets decided? preps, sluts, scumbags, freaks, geeks.... if everyone had to dress the same, how would you be able to tell what "group" these people are in???? if they arent a part of a group, i dont think they would be targeted by anyone, right???

Pretender, the media has nothing to do with this discussion, and your wrong, people shouldnt die just because one guy decides they should die... the question is, would schools be safer if more regulations were set?

 

[PattySmear]

round up all these gun wackos

 

[Lily27]

Beast the groups form regardless of the way the kids dress. My old school used to have a uniform and there were still very distinct groups.

 

[GaryTcs]

Pat, round them up for what? remember, they'll all have guns!!!

 

[Pastore]

i understand that there will always be exceptions, but in general, would more regulations make schools safer?

 

[ViRGE]

I honestly belive not. In my school, there is no way to make social cliks oblivious; instead, the clothes would just be obivious. Geeks, jocks, ect, are very easy to tell apart just by the way they walk, talk, and who they hang out with. It wouldn't matter what I dressed in, or any other regulation that set rules on some form of expression; a psyco could still easily find me simply because I belong to a clik. Honestly, if you ask me, there's a really easy solution to this; expoltion. If a kid's a problem, expell him, and give him to social services. The entire idea of an education for all is starting to get worthless; as quite frankly, having the school being everything to every student is really getting us in a mess.

PS If any of you care, there is random violence. Someone left a tennis ball bomb outside "one of the local high schools" last week(free flame to whoever guesses which school), in a place where anyone could have easily picken it up

 

[Pretender]

Unless we're talking about the severe schools, I disagree, the media does play a role in "school safety". Why? Parents see some crap about a few people getting blown to bits in a school shooting. Said parents go to their school board and see if their school is safe. This causes the school to be pressured into implementing a bunch of safety checks that would normally be unnecesary. Those schools that don't get pressured into the hype and eventually do have violence have so many lawyers on their ass as a consequence that they never make the mistake again.

In the case of the more violent schools, it's a different case altogether.



But getting back to your original topic, I don't think uniforms would do anything to help the system. Most people can tell who you are by your face, voice, and various skin perforations or piercings, and those that can't are probably riding in the short bus to the "special" part of the school. All uniforms really do are reduce individuality (as if that exists in a society where half the people are buying gap or old navy clothes and the other half are buying Abercrombie and Fitch), and by doing so try to create "equality", and in my opinion fails to do either.

If a nerd wears a uniform, he's just a nerd wearing a uniform.
If a jock wears a uniform, he's just a uniform-wearing jock.
The nerd and jock cannot be classified as homogeneous (not to be confused with homosexual ) members of the student body. By putting uniforms on them, they are not more likely to socialize, become friends, or treat each other nicely.


Will regulations make school safer? A little, probably. They will supress many of the smaller crimes, or serve as a means of punishment after they are committed. As for the larger crimes, as mentioned earlier, nothing short of armed guards and the equivalent of a miniature CIA will prevent these.