Saddam's bodyguard warns of secret arsenal after escape from Iraq

EndGame

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Who ya' gonna believe? If this guy is for real, we ought to know within days:

  • Saddam's bodyguard warns of secret arsenal

    02feb03

    SADDAM Hussein's senior bodyguard has fled with details of Iraq's secret arsenal.

    His revelations have supported US President George W. Bush's claim there is enough evidence from UN inspectors to justify going to war.
    Abu Hamdi Mahmoud has provided Israeli intelligence with a list of sites that the inspectors have not visited.

    They include:

    AN underground chemical weapons facility at the southern end of the Jadray Peninsula in Baghdad;

    A SCUD assembly area near Ramadi. The missiles come from North Korea;

    TWO underground bunkers in Iraq's Western Desert. These contain biological weapons.

    William Tierney, a former UN weapons inspector who has continued to gather information on Saddam's arsenal, said Mahmoud's information is "the smoking gun".

    "Once the inspectors go to where Mahmoud has pointed them, then it's all over for Saddam," Tierney said.

    Tierney, who has high-level contacts in Washington that go to the White House, said the information we publish today on Mahmoud's revelations "checks out, absolutely checks out".

    Mahmoud was a member of the elite unit that protects Saddam.

    It is called the Murasiq Qun ? the "Inner Circle".

    He was known as "The Gatekeeper".

    Mahmoud is a muscular Saddam lookalike often photographed standing behind Saddam when he is seated, or to his left when on the move.

    Last week, Mahmoud was being debriefed at a high-security base in Israel's Negev Desert.

    Ariel Sharon, the country's hard-line prime minister, has only allowed snippets of Mahmoud's sensational claims to be shared with the CIA and MI6.

    "Sharon intends to shatter the growing anti-war movement," a source close to Mr Sharon said.

    "He plans to call all those European leaders who are wavering to let them know how Saddam has continued to fool Hans Blix and his weapons inspectors."

    Mahmoud's revelations include locations of five bunkers buried beneath man-made sand dunes.

    Stockpiled in the bunkers are warheads identical to the empty shell cases found two weeks ago by the UN inspectors.

    Mahmoud said those shells were on their way to be refilled and stored in the bunkers.

    A transcript from his debriefing includes:

    "Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are also concealed in a tunnel complex deep beneath the sewers of Baghdad and in an underground complex in Ouja, to the north of Tikrit.

    "The complex was built five years ago with help from Chinese engineers.

    "The entrance to the site is through a house in Tikrit. It is the home of one of Saddam's cousins and is more than half a mile from where the weapons are stored."

    In another excerpt from his debriefing, Mahmoud boasts: "I was inside the innermost circle where Saddam eats and sleeps.

    "I was among the handful of bodyguards closest to him.

    "Very few people are allowed close to Saddam.

    "Many of the TV images you see of him were taken years ago. Most people now only speak to him over the phone. He usually calls them.

    "If they have to call him back with information he wants, it is passed through his sons (Uday and Qusay) or (Deputy Prime Minister) Tariq Aziz.

    "All those close to him have codes, which they use to access the outer circle. But even they can only come so close to Saddam before there is a cut-off point ? the Inner Circle. Even Tariq Aziz is checked to see if he is carrying weapons.

    "Saddam knows fortunes are being offered to have him assassinated."

    Saddam's paranoia increased after Uday, his eldest son, narrowly escaped assassination when gunmen riddled his car with bullets in 1996. Uday was partially paralysed and uses a wheelchair.

    To avoid falling victim to even his own bodyguards, Saddam is a walking arsenal.

    "He has concealed guns all over his body," Mahmoud said.

    "He also has panic buttons to press if he even suspects somebody is about to attack him."

    Israeli intelligence sources have hinted that the deal with Mahmoud included smuggling his family out of Iraq.

    Mossad agents have done this before.

    At the start of Saddam's reign of terror, they persuaded an Iraqi pilot to fly his Russian fighter to Israel ? after spiriting out his wife and children.

Who knows!
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This is just released today so I suppose it's not what Powell was set to talk about on the 5th. I DO believe Saddam has WMD's, but, does anyone else think this is just a bit to convienient?
 

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If this is the real deal, then go for it. Just minimize the casualties overall.
 

Evadman

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
If this is the real deal, then go for it. Just minimize the casualties overall.

 

zoiks

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It is too convenient. I love my country but I just dont know how to trust the government.
 

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Originally posted by: zoiks
It is too convenient. I love my country but I just dont know how to trust the government.

I distrust the government more than most of you. However, if this is real, then we need to act, and we need to act quickly.
 

Bignate603

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If it's real it seems that we're going to war. While I don't like violence, something has got to be done. It's sad that he cares so little about keeping his people from fighting an obvious losing battle.
 
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His revelations have supported US President George W. Bush's claim there is enough evidence from UN inspectors to justify going to war.

This sentence makes no sense. His revelations may support Bush's war agenda, but it in no way effects the findings of the UN inspectors because they didn't find anything like this. but all his claims should be checked out of course. I suspect they won't be though, and his word will be part of Bush's 'irrefutable evidence.' This reads like propaganda, where is it from?
 

EndGame

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XMan

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I wasn't saying the link was wrong, EndGame, I was saying that it was interesting that North Korea and China seem to have been supplying Iraq.
 

EndGame

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Originally posted by: X-Man
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I wasn't saying the link was wrong, EndGame, I was saying that it was interesting that North Korea and China seem to have been supplying Iraq.

LOL! I figured that out after I reread your post!;) I just figured I had pasted the link incorrectly.

 

optoman

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Both links worked for me.

Could this be the smoking gun? I hope it is so that we get this overwith soon. Also, if they do have the weapons and they are still in bunkers, then it would be wise to attack sooner than later. The more time you give them, the more time they have to prep the weapons for use.
 

etech

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Interesting, but I would like to see confirmation of this story.

I would say that if it does prove to be true that it will be very hard for France to vote against a resolution for regime change.

Germany would be the interesting country as they have put themselves on record as saying that they wouldn't vote for that.

We will see.


 

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At least we have proof sooner then later. Its has been my belief that Saddam couldn't have been trusted from the beginning. Why else would he refuse full cooperation with the inspectors, that should be enough to throw up the red flag right there.

Sometimes I wonder how people that are such idiots could get into such positions to have control over the future and the lives of so many people.
 

Dacalo

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its not like we didnt know this before... gee hidden weapons, what a surprise
 
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Originally posted by: Dacalo
its not like we didnt know this before... gee hidden weapons, what a surprise

yeah but the more stuff like this comes out the less protesters there i will have to fight through to get to school...oh wait i live in california there will be "why havent we gone to war yet" protesters then
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: etech
Interesting, but I would like to see confirmation of this story.

I would say that if it does prove to be true that it will be very hard for France to vote against a resolution for regime change.

Germany would be the interesting country as they have put themselves on record as saying that they wouldn't vote for that.

We will see.

Yeah, I wanna see this from a reputable source.
 
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Hooooooly crap! :Q I just caught this on THE DRUDGE REPORT and was coming over here to post it- I was too slow. I think what we have here is the smoking gun, folks. All you liberal pussies can now just shut the hell up. I can't wait to hear more about this. Soon, soon I hope.

YES! Red paint, all over the hands...
 

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Originally posted by: StattlichPassat
Hooooooly crap! :Q I just caught this on THE DRUDGE REPORT and was coming over here to post it- I was too slow. I think what we have here is the smoking gun, folks. All you liberal pussies can now just shut the hell up. I can't wait to hear more about this. Soon, soon I hope.

YES! Red paint, all over the hands...

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