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etech

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I'm not sure if this is the same site or not.

Mass grave found near Babylon
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The International Committee of the Red Cross announced at the end of April that it had contacted US-led coalition forces to try to check numerous reports about mass graves in Iraq. "
 

jjones

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Don't you know? We're not supposed to care about these things. If only Saddam were still in power those poor souls could rest easy piled one on top of the other, and families would still have the hope that their loved ones might be still alive through the doubt and uncertainty of their ultimate demise. Now those unfortunate families are faced with reality and we could have spared them this horror if we only left Saddam alone.
 

EXman

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notice the lack of "peace" folks in here. not much to say about this.

up for the "peace" people can see another reason why Iraq is better off now.
 

cpumaster

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I thought you were talking about Saddam's bath party, you know like a pajama party only this is in the bathroom :)
 

etech

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Iraqis Dig Up Mass Graves Near Holy City

"KHAN AL-RUBEA, Iraq - With shovels and their bare hands, Iraqis on Sunday excavated a mass grave filled with the remains of dozens of people who witnesses said were executed after a 1991 Shiite uprising.

Fragments of watches, a woman's blue slipper, pieces of black cloaks worn by Iraqi women and bloody clothing were found at the gravesite about 13 miles northwest of Najaf, a holy city for Shiite Muslims. Bullet casings also were found near the graves.
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Adding another site.




Originally posted by: cpumaster
I thought you were talking about Saddam's bath party, you know like a pajama party only this is in the bathroom :)


You don't have to prove you are ignorant of the Middle East, your normal posts do that well enough.


 

EXman

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I thought you were talking about Saddam's bath party, you know like a pajama party only this is in the bathroom

did you even that story? It is hardly a kidding thread... I guess you think Auschwitz ic funny to. :disgust:
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: EXman
notice the lack of "peace" folks in here. not much to say about this.

up for the "peace" people can see another reason why Iraq is better off now.

Yes, because we all know that The Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq is sooo much better than the Baath party. Because we all see the wonders Islamic revolution has done for Iran. They are just pissed because they weren't in power and were on the receiving end of the killing. If they were in power, it's entirely possible their tactics wouldn't be all that different.
US shouldn't have encouraged them to revolt in 1991 if it didn't want to back them up, and just let them be massacred.
Either way, it's internal Iraqi issue, and not our problem. There are no guarantees in life that if you revolt against a dictator that you aren't going to be killed.
Although I am not so much of a 'peace' person, I am more of a 'not our war' person.
 

SuperTool

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The reason given for this war was WMD, so don't go giving me these humanitarian reasons, because coming from the U.S. government, which supported Saddam when he was massacring communitsts, supported Pinochet, Shah, and many other scumbag killers that came along if they suited our needs, they don't hold much water.
 

etech

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
The reason given for this war was WMD, so don't go giving me these humanitarian reasons, because coming from the U.S. government, which supported Saddam when he was massacring communitsts, supported Pinochet, Shah, and many other scumbag killers that came along if they suited our needs, they don't hold much water.

The stories aren't coming from the US government. The are coming from the Iraqis that are digging up the dead bodies of their loved ones that Saddam's regime killed.

 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: SuperTool
The reason given for this war was WMD, so don't go giving me these humanitarian reasons, because coming from the U.S. government, which supported Saddam when he was massacring communitsts, supported Pinochet, Shah, and many other scumbag killers that came along if they suited our needs, they don't hold much water.

The stories aren't coming from the US government. The are coming from the Iraqis that are digging up the dead bodies of their loved ones that Saddam's regime killed.

All right then, let them dig. But don't tell me that was the reason to go to war.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: etech
Does there have to be only one reason to go to war?

If Bush said before the war, "we don't know if they have WMD, but we should still go to war because they killed some Shiites in 1991," then no, he wouldn't need there to be WMD, but since he claimed Saddam had WMD as a pretext for going to war, then now we need to find WMD to justify it.
Bottom line, if Bush said there is WMD, but there isn't any, Bush lied. And a lie as a pretext for war is not something that should be tolerated.
 

etech

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To return to the subject of this thread.

Iraqis trace missing prisoners

In Baghdad, a new organisation is attempting to track down thousands of political prisoners of Saddam Hussein's regime.
The Free Iraqi Prisoners Organisation has begun to collect documents from all over the city.
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Growing crowds

Some of the volunteers are worried the Americans are just going to take away all the documents.

Others worry that co-operation with US troops will undermine the credibility of the organisation.

But outside the crowd is growing bigger, and there is only more thanks to America for liberating Iraq.

More lists are put up on the walls, and more names are being read out, one after the other - an endless litany.

And it is just the first step in the long and grim task to determine the fate of thousands of people who disappeared during Saddam Hussein's brutal dictatorship."


SuperTool, have you read Resolution 1441?
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: etech
To return to the subject of this thread.

Iraqis trace missing prisoners

In Baghdad, a new organisation is attempting to track down thousands of political prisoners of Saddam Hussein's regime.
The Free Iraqi Prisoners Organisation has begun to collect documents from all over the city.
....
Growing crowds

Some of the volunteers are worried the Americans are just going to take away all the documents.

Others worry that co-operation with US troops will undermine the credibility of the organisation.

But outside the crowd is growing bigger, and there is only more thanks to America for liberating Iraq.

More lists are put up on the walls, and more names are being read out, one after the other - an endless litany.

And it is just the first step in the long and grim task to determine the fate of thousands of people who disappeared during Saddam Hussein's brutal dictatorship."


SuperTool, have you read Resolution 1441?

I read it, but this is not a UN sanctioned war, so I don't see how that's relevant.
 

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The finding of the mass graves certainly is a very sad story, it proved what we have already know that Saddam is mass murderer and brutal dicatator, although US is not free from fault here, we encouraged the Shiite to rebel against Saddam back after GW1 yet when they rose up and challenge him, we failed to come to their aid and only stand idly watching them get butchered by Saddam, freeing Iraq now doesn't free us from our past mistakes and story like this will keep reminding us of how this war was too late coming and also should troubling us for it was fought under false pretense and lied by our "beloved" president, that is not much better than Saddam excuse for going to war with Kuwait and Iran...

Also if you think this justify this war, then why don't we go to war with Russia/USSR back then? I bet there are much more mass graves in Serbia that people will have found... :(
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: EXman
notice the lack of "peace" folks in here. not much to say about this.

up for the "peace" people can see another reason why Iraq is better off now.

So, are going on a dig in Rwanda soon?
 

etech

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: EXman
notice the lack of "peace" folks in here. not much to say about this.

up for the "peace" people can see another reason why Iraq is better off now.

So, are going on a dig in Rwanda soon?


Who was president of the US when the Rwanda genocide occured?
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: EXman
notice the lack of "peace" folks in here. not much to say about this.

up for the "peace" people can see another reason why Iraq is better off now.

So, are going on a dig in Rwanda soon?


Who was president of the US when the Rwanda genocide occured?

Should he have sent US troops to Rwanda?
 

etech

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: EXman
notice the lack of "peace" folks in here. not much to say about this.

up for the "peace" people can see another reason why Iraq is better off now.

So, are going on a dig in Rwanda soon?


Who was president of the US when the Rwanda genocide occured?

Should he have sent US troops to Rwanda?

Read this and then we'll talk.
 

LunarRay

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The differnce between micro and macro is perspective...

Iraqi kills Iraqi, Iraqi kills Iranian, and on...
The Stalinists killed what 20million of their citizens
Heck we did in the Indians, Mexicans the Brittish (former us) and each other too.

Well I guess we're more informed now... but, one minute we support Afgan freedom fighters then we kill them... support Saddam then kill them...

It just vascillates this way and that... when a nation takes a stand against something and alters other stands to support the bigger picture we get lost in the minor details... to the sufferers of the issue it is not minor but, we push on..

This is what bugs me... no consistant policy regarding the more basic issues...

The only way to win is to not play...
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: EXman
notice the lack of "peace" folks in here. not much to say about this.

up for the "peace" people can see another reason why Iraq is better off now.

So, are going on a dig in Rwanda soon?


Who was president of the US when the Rwanda genocide occured?

Not really relevant to the discussion. That's like asking, who was President when these mass graves were made?
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: EXman
notice the lack of "peace" folks in here. not much to say about this.

up for the "peace" people can see another reason why Iraq is better off now.

So, are going on a dig in Rwanda soon?


Who was president of the US when the Rwanda genocide occured?

Should he have sent US troops to Rwanda?

Read this and then we'll talk.

So, what's the answer. Should Clinton have sent US troops to Rwanda or not?
 

cpumaster

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yeah President Clinton should have send troops to Rwanda to stop the genocide, just like President Bush I should have sent in troops to stop the mass killing of the Shi'ite and the Kurds in Iraq and take out Saddam at that time...
also we should have take out many other mass murderer brutal dictators in Africa and South America back then, instead of supporting them, of course the problem will always be what do we do afterward? Just like today Iraq situation, what do we do now? It's an age old dilemma...