Saddam, It's POLL Time!

[M0NEYSH0T]

Just curious as to what the consensus thinks...

 

[M0NEYSH0T]

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[LunarRay]

Moneyshot,
I didn't vote cuz I am of the opinion that the Iraqi court is not constituted properly. That is, I believe that the invasion of Iraq by the US was an internationally illegal act. That SH is the president of Iraq because he was voted into office by the Iraqi population and his removal should follow the then existing Iraqi law. I believe that the government formed by the Invading Authorities is simply the follow along of the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation and no authority to establish a new government existed. The UN nor Rhode Island may establish a government if their authority is provided by an illegal predicate.

So, no option in the poll is valid because it presupposes the legitimacy of the installed judicial system.

 

[thomasthom]

what happens if his defence call rumsfeld or someone as a witness

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Moneyshot,
I didn't vote cuz I am of the opinion that the Iraqi court is not constituted properly. That is, I believe that the invasion of Iraq by the US was an internationally illegal act. That SH is the president of Iraq because he was voted into office by the Iraqi population and his removal should follow the then existing Iraqi law. I believe that the government formed by the Invading Authorities is simply the follow along of the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation and no authority to establish a new government existed. The UN nor Rhode Island may establish a government if their authority is provided by an illegal predicate.

So, no option in the poll is valid because it presupposes the legitimacy of the installed judicial system.

The Arabs have not always been the guardians of Iraq.. I guess to be really fair we should work this poll out so that we represent all governments that have ever existed in Iraq???? I mean it could be argued that the people that you say voted SH into power were voting illegally, thus negating your opinion..

Now, for the citizens of the USA, to be really fair we should gather all people in this country that are of native american origin and ask them if it is ok if we respond to this post let alone the poll.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Moneyshot,
I didn't vote cuz I am of the opinion that the Iraqi court is not constituted properly. That is, I believe that the invasion of Iraq by the US was an internationally illegal act. That SH is the president of Iraq because he was voted into office by the Iraqi population and his removal should follow the then existing Iraqi law. I believe that the government formed by the Invading Authorities is simply the follow along of the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation and no authority to establish a new government existed. The UN nor Rhode Island may establish a government if their authority is provided by an illegal predicate.

So, no option in the poll is valid because it presupposes the legitimacy of the installed judicial system.

The Arabs have not always been the guardians of Iraq.. I guess to be really fair we should work this poll out so that we represent all governments that have ever existed in Iraq???? I mean it could be argued that the people that you say voted SH into power were voting illegally, thus negating your opinion..

Now, for the citizens of the USA, to be really fair we should gather all people in this country that are of native american origin and ask them if it is ok if we respond to this post let alone the poll.

Don't know that the Iraqi are Arabs but, that is another question.

Well.. regarding your first Para.. All members of the International Community recognized Iraq and its government as the legal existing entity up to and into the invasion (See UN Res 1441 where in it recognizes the sovereignty of Iraq). That was the status until the legal government was ousted. The only question is whether or not the ousting was legal based on the invasion being legal. This, in my opinion, has to be litigated first in the World Court.

Regarding your second Para. Like the activities in Iraq for which SH is being charged, they occurred within the borders of the country in question.. a Civil War type issue. You may wish to argue for an indictment against the perpetrators of human rights violations against the Indians, reparations to the Indians and others as well. Or seek to have The Lesser Antilles trump up WMD allegations against the US and invade the US because of an immanent threat to them and Barbados, oust the sitting government and charge The President with crimes against humanity and the environment. Maybe a Resolution to that effect in the Security Counsel is in order. I rather suspect the US will veto it, however. But, that don't matter have them invade anyway. Fish for one Fowl for another?

 

[biostud]

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[M0NEYSH0T]

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[daveshel]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I believe that the invasion of Iraq by the US was an internationally illegal act. That SH is the president of Iraq because he was voted into office by the Iraqi population and his removal should follow the then existing Iraqi law. I believe that the government formed by the Invading Authorities is simply the follow along of the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation and no authority to establish a new government existed.

Yes, even though there is a pretty good case that Saddam was not a nice guy or a model president, what he had going worked reasonablly well for him, at least from the standpoint of having more stability than some of the babana republics. So to the prople of Iraq, Saddam has a more legitimate face than that of the infidel invader Bush who has been responsible for the loss of 10,000 lives. I don't know if this will influence the legal process in this case as it would in some domestic jury trials, but I won't be surprised if he gets off. If a jury in Durham, North Carolina can acquit a white man after shooting a black youth in the back as the youth fled from the man's garage where he had been attempting to liberate some of the man's toys, who knows what could happen.

 

[Siddhartha]

The US will not allow Saddam to get off. The US will not allow Saddam have anything anywhere approaching the traditional US fair trial. Saddam will not be able to call or cross examine withnesses.

 

[LunarRay]

A Fox News statement tonight indicated that many of the Iraqi population - 40 pecent I think they said - want Saddam to be set free. If true, it would indicate to me that a significant portion of Iraqi folks consider Saddam 'one of their beloved'.
I wouldn't doubt the possibility exists for him to return to power.

I can hear Kerry now.... "Mr Bush has raised over 250 MILLION from his rich friends to seek re-election while spending over 200 BILLION bringing Saddam to justice and the Iraqi say 'No thanks' to him. Let America say "No Thanks" to Bush in November. Let him discuss whispers on a back porch rocking chair not in the Oval Office."

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
The US will not allow Saddam to get off. The US will not allow Saddam have anything anywhere approaching the traditional US fair trial. Saddam will not be able to call or cross examine withnesses.

The US isn't prosecuting Him.

 

[arsbanned]

Yeah and if you believe that you're daft.
The U.S. will reap what it has sown. It ain't gonna be pretty my friends. I hope he gets up there and mounts a valiant defense. It'll be interesting when he starts calling witnesses, say, George Bush, Sr. who was part of the admin which supported Saddam in the war with Iran, providing him with all sorts of interesting weapons, advice and other help.

Iran has called for an international tribunal to try the former Iraqi leader, who launched a war against Iran in 1980.

However, part of the Iranian agenda could be seen in a statement from the government spokesman Abdullah Ramazanzadeh who said that the tribunal "should determine who equipped this dictator to disrupt our region and impose three big crises on our region."

This presumably is a reference to the role played by Western countries, including the United States, in equipping and supporting Saddam Hussein.

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[M0NEYSH0T]

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