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Sad journal entry from my friend..

S

Syringer

Lifer
last night... the "sf" and i (a term coined by retard Andy... instead of significant other... he says significant figure) had a talk about being comfortable with each other's families... we both think that we're a long way from that point... and we are envious of our sister/brother in-laws who have joined the family with such ease and acceptance...

after my brother got married... it's always "table for five"... "what does she think about this?"... "will she come on this trip with us?"... i am very happy to add a new sisterly member to the family (some more estrogen helped to balance out my dad and brother's alpha-male-ism)... but at the same time... i realize that the situation will not be the same for me... any person i meet or bring home will have to face intense hostility and embittered animosity from my traditionalist parents and conservative brother and sister in-law...

why am i talking about this today?... i had a disheartening lunch conversation with my family... and it was supposed to be a happy birthday lunch for me... my brother and sister in-law had recently been on a vacation to Palm Springs... their comment about the resort was that it was filled with old and bohemian people... immediately after my brother mentioned the fact... my mother said "that's sick"... "those people (the bohemians) make me sick"... i can see how disgusted she was when she made the remark... "i don't know why society would accept them... but that is sickening to me!" my heart sank and as i forced myself to mirror their sentiments by feigning naivete (more like cultural ignorance) and said... "oh really? i thought them bohemians only stay in urban areas and not out in the desert"... i pretended to be apathetic about the subject and fake a smile now and then for the rest of lunch... but in reality i was sinking into my seat wishing i hadn't heard those hurtful words from my mother...

i did noticed one thing from the conversation... immediately after my brother mentioned the fact... he looked at me... as if to gauge my reaction to the topic... that is why i was forced to say something immediately to distant myself... "them"... "those people"... it was a look of doubt and i am scared that he will find out more someday...

to sum up this entry... i know that there are some people who believe that being bohemian is a lifestyle choice... a conscious decision... a momentary myopia induced by lustful anti-normative perplexity or ignorance of the greater purpose of life (creationism)... but i bid you to think otherwise... i did not choose to be a stereotype in lunch-time conversations... i did not choose to be disgusted by my own mother... i did not choose to live in secrecy and fear... i did not choose to grow up hating who i am because of social stigmas to later engender a perpetual state of low self-esteem and relapses of the identity crisis...

what i know is that i was raised to love... but love should never have caused so much anguish...
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Cliff's: Friend is gay, hasn't told family, subject is brought up and mom says the whole "idea" behind it is "sickening", friend has to pretend it doesn't bother him
 
that whole lifestyle junk annoys me. If you like the male membrane, you don't need to act like such a woman. It's been going on throughout history


the fact that this guy can't stand up for himself, shows he deserves the treatment that he gets. His mother is always going to feel disgusted because he's never going to have the courage to stand up to her otherwise
 
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
that whole lifestyle junk annoys me. If you like the male membrane, you don't need to act like such a woman. It's been going on throughout history


the fact that this guy can't stand up for himself, shows he deserves the treatment that he gets. His mother is always going to feel disgusted because he's never going to have the courage to stand up to her otherwise
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by your logic, then, the jews deserved what happened to them during ww2 because they didn't stand up for themselves.

its not that easy to just have courage in the face of an entire society (at least the majority of it) telling you you're evil and what you're doing is wrong. have some sympathy for him.
 
Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
that whole lifestyle junk annoys me. If you like the male membrane, you don't need to act like such a woman. It's been going on throughout history


the fact that this guy can't stand up for himself, shows he deserves the treatment that he gets. His mother is always going to feel disgusted because he's never going to have the courage to stand up to her otherwise
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by your logic, then, the jews deserved what happened to them during ww2 because they didn't stand up for themselves.

its not that easy to just have courage in the face of an entire society (at least the majority of it) telling you you're evil and what you're doing is wrong. have some sympathy for him.
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that's awesome...let's compare a genocide with someone's mother being disgusted by gays. My logic wasn't on genocide

and he's not talking about society. He's talking about his family. From the OP, it seems like he's come out to people around him, just not his family
 
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
that whole lifestyle junk annoys me. If you like the male membrane, you don't need to act like such a woman. It's been going on throughout history


the fact that this guy can't stand up for himself, shows he deserves the treatment that he gets. His mother is always going to feel disgusted because he's never going to have the courage to stand up to her otherwise
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That's a bunch of bs. I recall memories matching OP's quoted journal entry nearly word-for-word. I eventually "stood up" to my mother. Her reaction? She had me locked in a mental hospital. <_<
 
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
that whole lifestyle junk annoys me. If you like the male membrane, you don't need to act like such a woman. It's been going on throughout history


the fact that this guy can't stand up for himself, shows he deserves the treatment that he gets. His mother is always going to feel disgusted because he's never going to have the courage to stand up to her otherwise
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That's a bunch of bs. I recall memories matching OP's quoted journal entry nearly word-for-word. I eventually "stood up" to my mother. Her reaction? She had me locked in a mental hospital. <_<
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how old were you? If you were an adult and living on your own. I think it's funny that she actually convinced people that being gay was enough for them to lock you up in a mental hospital. Either way, it looks like you convinced them that you're not crazy.

Or unless you went willingly to the mental hospital, then you never did stand up to her
 
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
that whole lifestyle junk annoys me. If you like the male membrane, you don't need to act like such a woman. It's been going on throughout history


the fact that this guy can't stand up for himself, shows he deserves the treatment that he gets. His mother is always going to feel disgusted because he's never going to have the courage to stand up to her otherwise
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That's a bunch of bs. I recall memories matching OP's quoted journal entry nearly word-for-word. I eventually "stood up" to my mother. Her reaction? She had me locked in a mental hospital. <_<
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how old were you? If you were an adult and living on your own. I think it's funny that she actually convinced people that being gay was enough for them to lock you up in a mental hospital. Either way, it looks like you convinced them that you're not crazy.

Or unless you went willingly to the mental hospital, then you never did stand up to her
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No, I wasn't an adult. I was 16. Nonetheless, being reassured by your parents and siblings that your orientation is disgusting (or other, more choice descriptions) hurts just as much, no matter the age.

And no, I absolutely did not go to the mental hospital willingly. But that's a different story altogether.

BTW: The phrase "menace to society" is a buzzword among psychiatrists and psychologists (or at least was back then)... that was the official reason I was admitted.

Oh, and it didn't take much to convince them that I wasn't crazy. The admissions nurse, after filling out the paperwork, informed my parents that I would be taken care of, blah blah blah, and escorted them out of the building. I remember laughing when she said "I don't know how you put up with that woman... err... I ought to note that comment." 😀
 
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
that whole lifestyle junk annoys me. If you like the male membrane, you don't need to act like such a woman. It's been going on throughout history


the fact that this guy can't stand up for himself, shows he deserves the treatment that he gets. His mother is always going to feel disgusted because he's never going to have the courage to stand up to her otherwise
Click to expand...

by your logic, then, the jews deserved what happened to them during ww2 because they didn't stand up for themselves.

its not that easy to just have courage in the face of an entire society (at least the majority of it) telling you you're evil and what you're doing is wrong. have some sympathy for him.
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that's awesome...let's compare a genocide with someone's mother being disgusted by gays. My logic wasn't on genocide

and he's not talking about society. He's talking about his family. From the OP, it seems like he's come out to people around him, just not his family
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well, they aren't all that different. you're telling someone thats oppressed for their beliefs that they DESERVE to be treated that way, simply because they have trouble standing up for themselves.
 
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
that whole lifestyle junk annoys me. If you like the male membrane, you don't need to act like such a woman. It's been going on throughout history


the fact that this guy can't stand up for himself, shows he deserves the treatment that he gets. His mother is always going to feel disgusted because he's never going to have the courage to stand up to her otherwise
Click to expand...

That's a bunch of bs. I recall memories matching OP's quoted journal entry nearly word-for-word. I eventually "stood up" to my mother. Her reaction? She had me locked in a mental hospital. <_<
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how old were you? If you were an adult and living on your own. I think it's funny that she actually convinced people that being gay was enough for them to lock you up in a mental hospital. Either way, it looks like you convinced them that you're not crazy.

Or unless you went willingly to the mental hospital, then you never did stand up to her
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No, I wasn't an adult. I was 16. Nonetheless, being reassured by your parents and siblings that your orientation is disgusting (or other, more choice descriptions) hurts just as much, no matter the age.

And no, I absolutely did not go to the mental hospital willingly. But that's a different story altogether.

BTW: The phrase "menace to society" is a buzzword among psychiatrists and psychologists (or at least was back then)... that was the official reason I was admitted.

Oh, and it didn't take much to convince them that I wasn't crazy. The admissions nurse, after filling out the paperwork, informed my parents that I would be taken care of, blah blah blah, and escorted them out of the building. I remember laughing when she said "I don't know how you put up with that woman... err... I ought to note that comment." 😀
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being 16 is different. I don't know the person's age, but it seems like he's an adult? At least that's what I get from reading it.
 
Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
that whole lifestyle junk annoys me. If you like the male membrane, you don't need to act like such a woman. It's been going on throughout history


the fact that this guy can't stand up for himself, shows he deserves the treatment that he gets. His mother is always going to feel disgusted because he's never going to have the courage to stand up to her otherwise
Click to expand...

by your logic, then, the jews deserved what happened to them during ww2 because they didn't stand up for themselves.

its not that easy to just have courage in the face of an entire society (at least the majority of it) telling you you're evil and what you're doing is wrong. have some sympathy for him.
Click to expand...



that's awesome...let's compare a genocide with someone's mother being disgusted by gays. My logic wasn't on genocide

and he's not talking about society. He's talking about his family. From the OP, it seems like he's come out to people around him, just not his family
Click to expand...

well, they aren't all that different. you're telling someone thats oppressed for their beliefs that they DESERVE to be treated that way, simply because they have trouble standing up for themselves.
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he's being oppressed by his family. Not a dictator with an army that's going to mow him down. His family isn't going to send him to be burned alive, or gassed (then again they might, there are sickos out there). Again, they aren't all that different, BUT they are DIFFERENT. Don't put my logic to fit that scenario when it won't
 
Originally posted by: Dragoon42

being 16 is different. I don't know the person's age, but it seems like he's an adult? At least that's what I get from reading it.
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Dunno. I don't believe the text provides any sufficient evidence toward either case.
 
My Lord.
Gay people have more emotional problems then a 16 year old girl whos prom date dumped her the night before Prom. :disgust:

And before anyone flames, I have about as much experience with gays as you can have without actually being gay yourself, so dont give me this "You dont know" crap.
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
My Lord.
Gay people have more emotional problems then a 16 year old girl whos prom date dumped her the night before Prom. :disgust:

And before anyone flames, I have about as much experience with gays as you can have without actually being gay yourself, so dont give me this "You dont know" crap.
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But you don't know! Only if you knew! And only if I knew!

Wait, scratch that, I don't want to know! :Q
 
Originally posted by: Jehovah
Originally posted by: Specop 007
My Lord.
Gay people have more emotional problems then a 16 year old girl whos prom date dumped her the night before Prom. :disgust:

And before anyone flames, I have about as much experience with gays as you can have without actually being gay yourself, so dont give me this "You dont know" crap.
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But you don't know! Only if you knew! And only if I knew!

Wait, scratch that, I don't want to know! :Q
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Oh trust me dude. I've got all kinds of bizarre and odd stories.

Maybe some time I'll share them. They really are OUT there stories.

Like, a married lady having an affair, whos gay son and boyfriend seduce said affairee into a threesome with, or...well.....You get the idea.
 
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