Sabotage on the ISS

tynopik

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...nternational-Space-Station-Russia-claims.html

Officials have claimed the damage to the spacecraft appears to have been caused by a drill, and could have occurred on the ground pre-launch - or while in orbit.

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The damage was also 'on the screen of the anti-meteorite shield that covers the spacecraft from the outside and is installed 15 millimetres from the pressurised hull'.

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A drop in pressure due to an air leak was first detected on the $150 billion (£115 billion) orbital station overnight on August 30.

The cause was later discovered to be a two-millimetre hole in the orbital compartment of the manned Soyuz MS-09 space vehicle, which has been docked to the space station for two months.

so was the Soyuz leaking for a month and a half and nobody noticed or did something else happen that suddenly caused it to manifest?

https://gizmodo.com/what-the-hell-is-going-on-with-the-iss-drill-hole-story-1828997738

Roscosmos hadn’t ruled out “deliberate sabotage” by the American astronauts in order to send a sick astronaut home early.

right . . . .

Today, the Russian state-run RIA Novosti news agency published a story with a statement from Yury Borisov, deputy prime minister of Russia for Defense and Space Industry, denying that American astronauts were under suspicion. He said it was too early to speculate and asked people to wait until for the release of a report on the incident.

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The Soyuz was SLIGHTLY leaking for months - indicating it had already been drilled the entire time. This had already been seen by Houston on the ground via the metrics they are able to see.

Only after the hole actually fell out was it completely obvious that it was now a complete leak.
 

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Maybe due to shitty Russian manufacturing, or it somehow occurred unintended during manufacturing?
 

Humpy

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I thought it was already determined the hole was made by someone who screwed up while building the capsule and the patch failed.
 
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I thought it was already determined the hole was made by someone who screwed up while building the capsule and the patch failed.

Isn't something like that important enough to just make the panel again?
 

Humpy

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Isn't something like that important enough to just make the panel again?

Apparently not, especially if the hole is made after assembly. Things like this have happened in the past and they patched with epoxy, someone got fired for it. This time they used the wrong material or somehow didn't follow procedure in order to hide the mistake.
 

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My god - how do you not take something like risking the lives of astronauts seriously enough not to think about your mistake?
 
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tynopik

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even if they plug the leak, did it compromise the heat shield? is it safe to ride it back down?
 
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even if they plug the leak, did it compromise the heat shield? is it safe to ride it back down?

I believe the hole was in a location in which it doesn't actually impede the crew getting home. The location is something that burns up on return to Earth anyways from what I understand.

@Paratus can correct me if I'm wrong there.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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My god - how do you not take something like risking the lives of astronauts seriously enough not to think about your mistake?
Honestly, the lives of a handful of astronauts pales in comparison to the mistake coverups for more mundane products that put FAR more people at risk. Not to poopoo on the ISS (I love it and still wish I was an astronaut) but think of shit like the Ford Pinto? Or misc bridge collapses, building collapses, or aircraft crashes that were caused by some fuck not doing his job right.
 

Paratus

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even if they plug the leak, did it compromise the heat shield? is it safe to ride it back down?

I believe the hole was in a location in which it doesn't actually impede the crew getting home. The location is something that burns up on return to Earth anyways from what I understand.

@Paratus can correct me if I'm wrong there.

You are correct. The leak was in the orbital module which they dump before re-entry. So it won’t be a heat shield / re-entry problem.

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Thebobo

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Was probably done during construction on earth and hidden thinking it would never be a problem or found.
 

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The Soyuz was SLIGHTLY leaking for months - indicating it had already been drilled the entire time. This had already been seen by Houston on the ground via the metrics they are able to see.

Only after the hole actually fell out was it completely obvious that it was now a complete leak.

How do they know it was actually drilled?
 

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OP needs to understand that it wasn't the ISS that was sabotaged, but that a craft docked to it. Nice hyperbole, OP. You belong right up there with the rest of the yellow journalism sites.
 

Humpy

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OP needs to understand that it wasn't the ISS that was sabotaged, but that a craft docked to it. Nice hyperbole, OP. You belong right up there with the rest of the yellow journalism sites.

ATOT is a yellow journalism site though.

(No racist)
(No pee pee)
 

tynopik

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OP needs to understand that it wasn't the ISS that was sabotaged, but that a craft docked to it. Nice hyperbole, OP.

if you place a bomb on the soyuz and it blows up and takes out the ISS, would you say the ISS was sabotaged? Even if the bomb was technically never on the ISS?

wherever, however it was done, the ISS lost (a little) pressure, so it directly impacted the ISS and was not limited to the soyuz
 

Rifter

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Im still at a loss on how this effected the ISS though, i mean they have doors right, close the one at the docking ring and this is a non issue right?
 

Paratus

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How do they know it was actually drilled?

You can see the witness marks around the hole from someone banging the bit around.
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OP needs to understand that it wasn't the ISS that was sabotaged, but that a craft docked to it. Nice hyperbole, OP. You belong right up there with the rest of the yellow journalism sites.

While the hole being in the Soyuz is an important distinction the Soyuz is an integral part (mechanically, electrically, atmospherically) of the ISS. It’s not entirely hyperbolic to call it “The ISS”.


While we need to wait for the results of the investigation I have one other thing I’d like to say:
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I can't stand it, Nobody planned it,
I'm gonna set it straight, this hole-gate.
I can't stand vacuum' when I'm in here,
Cause your crystal ball ain't so crystal clear.
So, while you sit back and wonder why,
I got this fuckin' hole in my side.
Oh my God, it's not a mirage!
I'm tellin' y'all it's NOT sabotage!

So listen up 'cause the net can't say nothin'
They’ll shut me down with a push of the button.
But I'm out, and I'm gone,
I'll tell you now I keep it on and on.

'Cause what you see you might not get,
And we can't bet, so don't you get souped yet.
Somebody’s scheming on a thing that's a mirage,
I'm trying to tell you now its NOT sabotage!

Why! That Hole is against the wall.
Listen all of y'all, it's NOT a sabotage,
Listen all of y'all, it's NOT a sabotage,
Listen all of y'all, it's NOT a sabotage,
Listen all of y'all, it's NOT a sabotage!
 

Paratus

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Im still at a loss on how this effected the ISS though, i mean they have doors right, close the one at the docking ring and this is a non issue right?

We will not close hatches between the crew and their escape vehicles nominally. That increases the risk that they wouldn’t be able to evacuate in an emergency.

The hole was so small that they had enough gas to feed the leak for weeks before it was a problem so no need to preemptively isolate the Soyuz.

It’s just easier and safer to patch it when the leak is that small.
 

Thebobo

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We will not close hatches between the crew and their escape vehicles nominally. That increases the risk that they wouldn’t be able to evacuate in an emergency.

The hole was so small that they had enough gas to feed the leak for weeks before it was a problem so no need to preemptively isolate the Soyuz.

It’s just easier and safer to patch it when the leak is that small.

And cheaper
 

tynopik

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Im still at a loss on how this effected the ISS though, i mean they have doors right, close the one at the docking ring and this is a non issue right?

the bigger issue is that perhaps SOMEONE IS TRYING TO SABOTAGE THE ISS

maybe this incident is minor, but you absolutely have to track down how this happened, because the next incident might not be so minor